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39. Re: Evening Metaverse Apr 21, 2019, 18:44 Scheherazade
 
Beamer wrote on Apr 19, 2019, 14:21:
Scheherazade wrote on Apr 19, 2019, 10:08:

You're projecting. I'm not angry.

You are angry, though. Furthermore, "you're projecting" is the slightly more adult way of saying "I know you are, but what am I?" It serves the exact same function, only you feel slightly smarter about it, so it's again, about your emotions.


I am ideologically an individualist voluntaryist. I can only fault any person for their individual trespasses onto other individuals, on a case by case basis.

Intellectual cowardice.

Your definition of institutional racism is created to satisfy a particular ideology which has no problem blaming the innocent. Precisely because when a person can't point fingers at any guilty party, they blanket blame society (i.e. everyone, guilty or innocent). It's the science of lashing out.

It is not lashing out. It's the opposite. But if there's a problem with society, all of society is at fault, because a solution requires all of society.

You don't seem to even acknowledge that things that are problems are going on, so this is pointless. "There is no problem, but if there was a problem, it's no one's fault" is, well, intellectual cowardice.

But it's funny how many people that refuse to assign any blame at all also refuse to see that there's a problem. It goes hand-in-hand.

Cowardly. True defense of status quo. This is how nothing ever improves, and why some people go "but this is how it's always been done."



You're straw manning.

Any given person in the ~350 million person U.S. population is too far away and too unaware of any other person to ever cause them harm.
For anything that happens to anyone, 99+% of people are not at fault.
Blaming them all for any given person's circumstance is the very definition of lashing out.

People are not boats flowing down a river.

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38. Re: Evening Metaverse Apr 19, 2019, 14:21 Beamer
 
Scheherazade wrote on Apr 19, 2019, 10:08:

You're projecting. I'm not angry.

You are angry, though. Furthermore, "you're projecting" is the slightly more adult way of saying "I know you are, but what am I?" It serves the exact same function, only you feel slightly smarter about it, so it's again, about your emotions.


I am ideologically an individualist voluntaryist. I can only fault any person for their individual trespasses onto other individuals, on a case by case basis.

Intellectual cowardice.

Your definition of institutional racism is created to satisfy a particular ideology which has no problem blaming the innocent. Precisely because when a person can't point fingers at any guilty party, they blanket blame society (i.e. everyone, guilty or innocent). It's the science of lashing out.

It is not lashing out. It's the opposite. But if there's a problem with society, all of society is at fault, because a solution requires all of society.

You don't seem to even acknowledge that things that are problems are going on, so this is pointless. "There is no problem, but if there was a problem, it's no one's fault" is, well, intellectual cowardice.

But it's funny how many people that refuse to assign any blame at all also refuse to see that there's a problem. It goes hand-in-hand.

Cowardly. True defense of status quo. This is how nothing ever improves, and why some people go "but this is how it's always been done."

 
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37. Re: Evening Metaverse Apr 19, 2019, 10:10 Scheherazade
 
Sepharo wrote on Apr 18, 2019, 12:59:
Scheherazade wrote:
1968 ... 1943

You're missing the point again.
But like I said earlier it's pretty pointless for me to keep trying.

Please do. I prefer you address the point.

Thanks
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36. Re: Evening Metaverse Apr 19, 2019, 10:08 Scheherazade
 
Beamer wrote on Apr 18, 2019, 09:19:
Listen, you're misunderstanding a concept, angry at the concept due to your own misunderstanding, and angry at us for explaining.

Here, from Wikipedia:
Institutional racism (also known as systemic racism) is a form of racism expressed in the practice of social and political institutions. It is reflected in disparities regarding wealth, income, criminal justice, employment, housing, health care, political power and education, among other factors.

The term "institutional racism" was coined and first used in 1967 by Stokely Carmichael (later known as Kwame Ture) and Charles V. Hamilton in Black Power: The Politics of Liberation.[1] Carmichael and Hamilton wrote that while individual racism is often identifiable because of its overt nature, institutional racism is less perceptible because of its "less overt, far more subtle" nature. Institutional racism "originates in the operation of established and respected forces in the society, and thus receives far less public condemnation than [individual racism]".[2] They gave examples.

"When white terrorists bomb a black church and kill five black children, that is an act of individual racism, widely deplored by most segments of the society. But when in that same city – Birmingham, Alabama – five hundred black babies die each year because of the lack of power, food, shelter and medical facilities, and thousands more are destroyed and maimed physically, emotionally and intellectually because of conditions of poverty and discrimination in the black community, that is a function of institutional racism. When a black family moves into a home in a white neighborhood and is stoned, burned or routed out, they are victims of an overt act of individual racism which most people will condemn. But it is institutional racism that keeps black people locked in dilapidated slum tenements, subject to the daily prey of exploitative slumlords, merchants, loan sharks and discriminatory real estate agents. The society either pretends it does not know of this latter situation, or is in fact incapable of doing anything meaningful about it."[3][4]


That's institutional racism. Your own definition differs, and this is a you problem, not a problem with the term or concept. You're like the people angry at "toxic masculinity" while constantly whining about being victim to it, all due to their fundamental refusal to accept the meaning of the term.

It's not worth discussing this with you if you refuse to accept even the basic definition of the term. It's like arguing with someone about whether the sky is blue, because they've decided to define blue as "yellow."

You're projecting. I'm not angry.

I am ideologically an individualist voluntaryist. I can only fault any person for their individual trespasses onto other individuals, on a case by case basis.

Your definition of institutional racism is created to satisfy a particular ideology which has no problem blaming the innocent. Precisely because when a person can't point fingers at any guilty party, they blanket blame society (i.e. everyone, guilty or innocent). It's the science of lashing out.

It's the belief that all suffering is imposed by others, and that those suffering are entirely helpless to take part in their own fate, the idea that they are doomed to be what you define as an inherent status of their race, that is the racist and religious aspect.

I work with black professionals, and they are not some poverty stricken downtrodden mass. If you listened to their opinions, you wouldn't be so devoted to your worldview.

-scheherazade

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35. Re: Evening Metaverse Apr 18, 2019, 12:59 Sepharo
 
Scheherazade wrote:
1968 ... 1943

You're missing the point again.
But like I said earlier it's pretty pointless for me to keep trying.
 
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34. Re: Evening Metaverse Apr 18, 2019, 09:19 Beamer
 
Listen, you're misunderstanding a concept, angry at the concept due to your own misunderstanding, and angry at us for explaining.

Here, from Wikipedia:
Institutional racism (also known as systemic racism) is a form of racism expressed in the practice of social and political institutions. It is reflected in disparities regarding wealth, income, criminal justice, employment, housing, health care, political power and education, among other factors.

The term "institutional racism" was coined and first used in 1967 by Stokely Carmichael (later known as Kwame Ture) and Charles V. Hamilton in Black Power: The Politics of Liberation.[1] Carmichael and Hamilton wrote that while individual racism is often identifiable because of its overt nature, institutional racism is less perceptible because of its "less overt, far more subtle" nature. Institutional racism "originates in the operation of established and respected forces in the society, and thus receives far less public condemnation than [individual racism]".[2] They gave examples.

"When white terrorists bomb a black church and kill five black children, that is an act of individual racism, widely deplored by most segments of the society. But when in that same city – Birmingham, Alabama – five hundred black babies die each year because of the lack of power, food, shelter and medical facilities, and thousands more are destroyed and maimed physically, emotionally and intellectually because of conditions of poverty and discrimination in the black community, that is a function of institutional racism. When a black family moves into a home in a white neighborhood and is stoned, burned or routed out, they are victims of an overt act of individual racism which most people will condemn. But it is institutional racism that keeps black people locked in dilapidated slum tenements, subject to the daily prey of exploitative slumlords, merchants, loan sharks and discriminatory real estate agents. The society either pretends it does not know of this latter situation, or is in fact incapable of doing anything meaningful about it."[3][4]


That's institutional racism. Your own definition differs, and this is a you problem, not a problem with the term or concept. You're like the people angry at "toxic masculinity" while constantly whining about being victim to it, all due to their fundamental refusal to accept the meaning of the term.

It's not worth discussing this with you if you refuse to accept even the basic definition of the term. It's like arguing with someone about whether the sky is blue, because they've decided to define blue as "yellow."
 
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33. Re: Evening Metaverse Apr 18, 2019, 01:14 Scheherazade
 
Sepharo wrote on Apr 18, 2019, 00:27:
Scheherazade wrote on Apr 17, 2019, 23:35:
(I also made reference to a 'gangster aesthetic' - the visual appearance of a thug/gangster as established by popular media over the last few decades, re. music videos, movies, etc.)

I linked an image of Denzel Washington in the movie American Gangster. A product of popular media that has substantial influence on what someone would consider a "gangster" look.
He's dressed in a nice suit, and he's black.
Is that what you're going for? If you have a different description or example let's hear it.

I then linked an image of latino youths in LA during the Zoot Suit Riots. Those kids turned themselves over to police custody to avoid being beaten by rioting servicemen stationed in LA. The media indiscriminately characterized latino youths wearing these zoot suits as thugs and often praised the riots as a "cleansing". When Eleanor Roosevelt pointed out the obvious racial aspect to the attacks she was called a communist by the LA Times.

There is a saying : If it looks like a duck and quacks like a duck, it's probably a duck.

I say you look like a "gangster" therefore you are one.


American Gangster is period piece. The characters in it are depicted as they would be in 1968. That has nothing to do with today. You might as well link Al Capone.

The zoot suit riots were from 1943. When actually everyone wore a suit/uniform/dress as normal day to day attire (finding a man _not_ in a suit/uniform would be the challenge). (The cut of those suits was actually quite non conformist for its day.)

I am referring to today's aesthetic. E.g. things like this : "gangster"

I can honestly say that, if I looked like "red shirt guy" (from the pic above) when getting pulled over for doing a burnout, I would not expect to get off as easily as if I looked like this : "not gangster"





Well, if you said that, and I dressed like what pop culture depicts a gangster as looking, I would understand how you got that impression. And if I were concerned with not drawing negative attention I would change my appearance. Or I would keep the look and not take it personally if someone scrutinizes me for it.

-scheherazade

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32. Re: Evening Metaverse Apr 18, 2019, 00:27 Sepharo
 
Scheherazade wrote on Apr 17, 2019, 23:35:
(I also made reference to a 'gangster aesthetic' - the visual appearance of a thug/gangster as established by popular media over the last few decades, re. music videos, movies, etc.)

I linked an image of Denzel Washington in the movie American Gangster. A product of popular media that has substantial influence on what someone would consider a "gangster" look.
He's dressed in a nice suit, and he's black.
Is that what you're going for? If you have a different description or example let's hear it.

I then linked an image of latino youths in LA during the Zoot Suit Riots. Those kids turned themselves over to police custody to avoid being beaten by rioting servicemen stationed in LA. The media indiscriminately characterized latino youths wearing these zoot suits as thugs and often praised the riots as a "cleansing". When Eleanor Roosevelt pointed out the obvious racial aspect to the attacks she was called a communist by the LA Times.

There is a saying : If it looks like a duck and quacks like a duck, it's probably a duck.

I say you look like a "gangster" therefore you are one.
 
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31. Re: Evening Metaverse Apr 17, 2019, 23:35 Scheherazade
 
Sepharo wrote on Apr 17, 2019, 23:12:
Scheherazade wrote on Apr 17, 2019, 23:03:
Sepharo wrote on Apr 17, 2019, 22:30:
https://i.imgur.com/0VcyjnU.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/C8Zs5yi.jpg

All sorts of people have done crimes and been in jail.

Clown

Suit

Judges/Police will still be harder on you if you come across as a "thug".

-scheherazade

You missed the point but explaining it to you would be pointless judging by your earlier nonsense.
Think about who defines the meaning of "thug" and "gangster", what it means in the context that it's being used.

Which "earlier nonsense"? Post #?

No one has addressed post #15 beyond the first line

Post #23 is links to institutional minority policies (reference), and a personal opinion on how charges should be reformed (which nobody replied to)

Post #26 just describes human bias you can expect from cops/courts, and how it's gonna hurt your chances if you give people the impression that you're a thug/gangster.

Post #29 points out how pics of 'assholes in uniform' and 'suits in jail' says nothing. Cops/court are still going to be affected by appearances.



A thug/gangster is a career criminal. Illegal narcotic dealer, larcenist, assailant, etc.

(I also made reference to a 'gangster aesthetic' - the visual appearance of a thug/gangster as established by popular media over the last few decades, re. music videos, movies, etc.)

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30. Re: Evening Metaverse Apr 17, 2019, 23:12 Sepharo
 
Scheherazade wrote on Apr 17, 2019, 23:03:
Sepharo wrote on Apr 17, 2019, 22:30:
https://i.imgur.com/0VcyjnU.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/C8Zs5yi.jpg

All sorts of people have done crimes and been in jail.

Clown

Suit

Judges/Police will still be harder on you if you come across as a "thug".

-scheherazade

You missed the point but explaining it to you would be pointless judging by your earlier nonsense.
Think about who defines the meaning of "thug" and "gangster", what it means in the context that it's being used.
 
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29. Re: Evening Metaverse Apr 17, 2019, 23:03 Scheherazade
 
Sepharo wrote on Apr 17, 2019, 22:30:
https://i.imgur.com/0VcyjnU.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/C8Zs5yi.jpg

All sorts of people have done crimes and been in jail.

Clown

Suit


Judges/Police will still be harder on you if you come across as a "thug" to them.

This isn't even a controversial concept. There is a reason why a lawyer has you 'clean up' for a court appearance.

-scheherazade
 
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28. Re: Evening Metaverse Apr 17, 2019, 22:30 Sepharo
 
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27. Re: Evening Metaverse Apr 17, 2019, 22:24 Sepharo
 
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26. Re: Evening Metaverse Apr 17, 2019, 21:35 Scheherazade
 
Beamer wrote on Apr 17, 2019, 09:41:
Scheherazade wrote on Apr 17, 2019, 02:22:
Bodolza wrote on Apr 16, 2019, 15:02:
Scheherazade wrote on Apr 16, 2019, 13:05:
- Black US persons since the ~80's haven't had institutional racism directed against them.

"Black male offenders received sentences on average 20.4 percent longer than similarly situated White male offenders...violence in an offender’s criminal history does not appear to contribute to the sentence imposed"

https://www.ussc.gov/research/research-reports/demographic-differences-sentencing

That has nothing to do with institutional policy.
Nowhere will you find institutional regulations mandating 20.4% longer sentences for black people.

That's personal bias of persons responsible for sentencing.

I agree that they should get equal sentences for equal crimes.
Same goes for women, since women of all races apparently get let off easy, according to your link.

Frankly, sentencing should be reformed to only allow 1 charge per 1 action (no more stacking charges. One discrete action, one charge max.), and the sentence should be a fixed amount of time for a given offense. Also, sentences should be calculated a monetary value, and the time served should be capped at the value of the damages done in the initial offense (so the punishment does not exceed the crime). This would naturally mean that all crimes that are victimless (nobody for which to assess monetary damage) have zero length sentences.





Side note, Links to actual institutional policy : (quick google)
https://tenderspage.com/government-contracting-minority-owned/
https://www.gao.gov/products/GAO-18-195R
https://www.upcounsel.com/woman-owned-business-tax-benefits
School wise, I assume everyone is aware of cases like Fisher v UT, and the Affirmative Action Harvard suit ("Asians" vs Harvard), where colleges assert that they aren't discriminating by using lower SAT thresholds [as a matter of policy] to admit Latino and Black students.
It's ironic for a minority to complain about institutional racism, given what the actual institutional policies are.
It seems like institutional racism has achieved a religion status. I don't know if there even is enough any institution can do to make people believe otherwise.

-scheherazade



p.s.
Care to address the rest of my earlier post? I'm genuinely curious what you think.

I don't think you understand the term "institutional racism." It doesn't refer solely to written policy. There's a social aspect to it. If you want evidence, just look at how black criminals are treated socially. You can't go one article on the internet without seeing the term "thug." You do not see that for white people, who, famously, are more likely to be referred to as "mentally disturbed."

This is institutional racism.


Actually, I think it's some other folks in this thread that are confused about what is and isn't an institution.

A formal institution is defined by its written goals and procedures.

Informal institutions are too vague to be argued - eg. 'doing laundry' is an informal laundry institution. You can slap the 'institution' suffix on anything, defining a conceptual thing rather than a real thing.





-------- Here's a strictly practical view of the 'thug' ('gangster') issue, as it pertains to conviction. --------

First : *I completely agree that appearance should play zero part in evaluating a person.*

There is a saying : If it looks like a duck and quacks like a duck, it's probably a duck.

There's a reason why the successful civil rights leaders of decades ago all wore suits all the time and were clean shaven. Looking respectable gets you respect. It's silly, I know. But it's how humans behave.

The opposite is equally true. This is where popular culture comes back to bite (i.e. gangster/thug culture being popular among black boys only makes legal problems harder).

Why are black judges on average harsher on black defendants?
Why are black officers on average harsher on black suspects?
Is it because black racism transcends race itself? Or is it more likely that there's something else in play?

I can't wear jeans, a cowboy hat, and a button down shirt, without people thinking I drive a truck, own a shotgun and a MAGA hat.
I can't put an 'equals' sticker on my bumper without people thinking I'm gay.
I can't dress like a cop without people thinking I am a cop.
I can't dress like a 'gangster' without people thinking I am a gangster.

When you're detained, or in court, and you :
- Act like a gangster (i.e. you're caught of a crime. now you need to convince them you're not a problem)
- Dress like a gangster (doesn't help)
- Speak like a gangster (doesn't help either)
You're giving the officer/judge every reason to believe that you _are_ a gangster - precisely that type of person _not_ suited for leniency, and precisely the type of person they are inclined to remove from the community.

Let's also keep in mind that police, prosecutors and judges of _all_ races are ~universally 'straight laced' personalities.
They will not consider you personable if you come across as a less than respectable personality.
Think : "Know your audience"

-scheherazade

p.s.
Neither a white nor black person will be called "mentally disturbed" if they are arrested for selling drugs.
Both a white and black person will be called "mentally disturbed" if they push a 5 year old off a 3rd story floor.
Not sure what you're getting at with "thug" vs "mentally disturbed", when the offenses associated with either term are *usually* different.

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25. Re: Evening Metaverse Apr 17, 2019, 09:44 Beamer
 
HoSpanky wrote on Apr 16, 2019, 09:04:
The girl in question isn’t American. Blackface wasn’t a thing in her country. Why is she responsible for knowing what might be offensive IN ANOTHER COUNTRY?

I guaran-fucking-tee everyone reading this has unknowingly done something that would be seen as offensive in another part of the world.

She wasn’t putting on makeup to mock anyone, it was done because that’s what color the character’s skin is. And IN HER COUNTRY, that’s not considered offensive.

The entire world isn’t the United States.

Twitch is an American company, their servers are based in America, their policies are based on America, and their users are largely in America. Her income is coming from an American company being paid by American advertisers.

Don't like being held to American standards? Don't use a site based in America for your income.
 
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24. Re: Evening Metaverse Apr 17, 2019, 09:41 Beamer
 
Scheherazade wrote on Apr 17, 2019, 02:22:
Bodolza wrote on Apr 16, 2019, 15:02:
Scheherazade wrote on Apr 16, 2019, 13:05:
- Black US persons since the ~80's haven't had institutional racism directed against them.

"Black male offenders received sentences on average 20.4 percent longer than similarly situated White male offenders...violence in an offender’s criminal history does not appear to contribute to the sentence imposed"

https://www.ussc.gov/research/research-reports/demographic-differences-sentencing

That has nothing to do with institutional policy.
Nowhere will you find institutional regulations mandating 20.4% longer sentences for black people.

That's personal bias of persons responsible for sentencing.

I agree that they should get equal sentences for equal crimes.
Same goes for women, since women of all races apparently get let off easy, according to your link.

Frankly, sentencing should be reformed to only allow 1 charge per 1 action (no more stacking charges. One discrete action, one charge max.), and the sentence should be a fixed amount of time for a given offense. Also, sentences should be calculated a monetary value, and the time served should be capped at the value of the damages done in the initial offense (so the punishment does not exceed the crime). This would naturally mean that all crimes that are victimless (nobody for which to assess monetary damage) have zero length sentences.





Side note, Links to actual institutional policy : (quick google)
https://tenderspage.com/government-contracting-minority-owned/
https://www.gao.gov/products/GAO-18-195R
https://www.upcounsel.com/woman-owned-business-tax-benefits
School wise, I assume everyone is aware of cases like Fisher v UT, and the Affirmative Action Harvard suit ("Asians" vs Harvard), where colleges assert that they aren't discriminating by using lower SAT thresholds [as a matter of policy] to admit Latino and Black students.
It's ironic for a minority to complain about institutional racism, given what the actual institutional policies are.
It seems like institutional racism has achieved a religion status. I don't know if there even is enough any institution can do to make people believe otherwise.

-scheherazade



p.s.
Care to address the rest of my earlier post? I'm genuinely curious what you think.

I don't think you understand the term "institutional racism." It doesn't refer solely to written policy. There's a social aspect to it. If you want evidence, just look at how black criminals are treated socially. You can't go one article on the internet without seeing the term "thug." You do not see that for white people, who, famously, are more likely to be referred to as "mentally disturbed."

This is institutional racism.
 
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23. Re: Evening Metaverse Apr 17, 2019, 02:22 Scheherazade
 
Bodolza wrote on Apr 16, 2019, 15:02:
Scheherazade wrote on Apr 16, 2019, 13:05:
- Black US persons since the ~80's haven't had institutional racism directed against them.

"Black male offenders received sentences on average 20.4 percent longer than similarly situated White male offenders...violence in an offender’s criminal history does not appear to contribute to the sentence imposed"

https://www.ussc.gov/research/research-reports/demographic-differences-sentencing

That has nothing to do with institutional policy.
Nowhere will you find institutional regulations mandating 20.4% longer sentences for black people.

That's personal bias of persons responsible for sentencing.

I agree that they should get equal sentences for equal crimes.
Same goes for women, since women of all races apparently get let off easy, according to your link.

Frankly, sentencing should be reformed to only allow 1 charge per 1 action (no more stacking charges. One discrete action, one charge max.), and the sentence should be a fixed amount of time for a given offense. Also, sentences should be calculated a monetary value, and the time served should be capped at the value of the damages done in the initial offense (so the punishment does not exceed the crime). This would naturally mean that all crimes that are victimless (nobody for which to assess monetary damage) have zero length sentences.





Side note, Links to actual institutional policy : (quick google)
https://tenderspage.com/government-contracting-minority-owned/
https://www.gao.gov/products/GAO-18-195R
https://www.upcounsel.com/woman-owned-business-tax-benefits
School wise, I assume everyone is aware of cases like Fisher v UT, and the Affirmative Action Harvard suit ("Asians" vs Harvard), where colleges assert that they aren't discriminating by using lower SAT thresholds [as a matter of policy] to admit Latino and Black students.
It's ironic for a minority to complain about institutional racism, given what the actual institutional policies are.
It seems like institutional racism has achieved a religion status. I don't know if there even is enough any institution can do to make people believe otherwise.

-scheherazade



p.s.
Care to address the rest of my earlier post? I'm genuinely curious what you think.

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22. Re: Evening Metaverse Apr 16, 2019, 21:23 RedEye9
 
Sepharo wrote on Apr 16, 2019, 21:02:
Bodolza wrote on Apr 16, 2019, 16:36:
RedEye9 wrote on Apr 16, 2019, 15:56:
You're providing facts to a rock. It's a waste of time.

Oh, I know. But if we let lies like that stand unchallenged in an open forum, then someone else reading it might actually believe what he wrote. That's how these things spread.

Thank you.
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21. Re: Evening Metaverse Apr 16, 2019, 21:02 Sepharo
 
Bodolza wrote on Apr 16, 2019, 16:36:
RedEye9 wrote on Apr 16, 2019, 15:56:
You're providing facts to a rock. It's a waste of time.

Oh, I know. But if we let lies like that stand unchallenged in an open forum, then someone else reading it might actually believe what he wrote. That's how these things spread.

Thank you.
 
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20. Re: Evening Metaverse Apr 16, 2019, 16:36 Bodolza
 
RedEye9 wrote on Apr 16, 2019, 15:56:
You're providing facts to a rock. It's a waste of time.

Oh, I know. But if we let lies like that stand unchallenged in an open forum, then someone else reading it might actually believe what he wrote. That's how these things spread.
 
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