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180. Re: I watched more DOOM videos (not all of them [TL;DW]), with a guy's commentaries, from YouTube... Sep 26, 2016, 21:33 Wowbagger_TIP
 
Trump hasn't said anything with any substance about any policies of his so far I don't think.

I kinda wish Hillary would stop smiling so much, but I can't really blame her either, as everything he says is making me laugh at the absurdity.

Edit: Who exactly is he saying is leaving the country?
 
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173. Re: I watched more DOOM videos (not all of them [TL;DW]), with a guy's commentaries, from YouTube... Sep 26, 2016, 20:24 Wowbagger_TIP
 
Orogogus wrote on Sep 26, 2016, 19:49:
Slick and the Infinitely Prolonged can use free speech as a defense, but what's the virtue in going after Oculus? You can argue he's a public face, but I think the thing about "public faces" is that basically anyone can become a public face once the Internet bites down. Yesterday it was Mozilla's CEO. Today's it's a cofounder with extremely vague responsibilities. A few months ago it was some PR employee at Nintendo. Anyone can come under the Internet's scrutiny, which makes them all public faces.

You say "anyone" can become a public face for a company, but then go on to give examples of CEOs and Public Relations people who are pretty much always public faces. I don't think you're making a point there. If it was some random Walmart employee giving money to a group like this, do you think people would boycott Walmart? Pretty sure it wouldn't be a thing.

Orogogus wrote on Sep 26, 2016, 19:49:
And anyway, that whole argument is kind of saying that you'll use the power of the mob responsibly, only when it's really warranted.
You haven't explained what makes it a mob rather than just a bunch of people who don't like what the guy did and don't want to support him by supporting his company. Where exactly is the line between free speech and mob?

Orogogus wrote on Sep 26, 2016, 19:49:
Free speech means you have the right to act this way, but it doesn't explain why. The underlying question is, what's good about basing your opinion of a company or its products on the things its employees do? Liberals recognize that as a lousy way to judge a religion or a country, isn't this a similar issue?
I think this has already been explained. Why would I want to support the company that enriches him and enables him to give money to these racist groups? There aren't a lot of dots to connect here.

 
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Quboid wrote on Sep 26, 2016, 19:24:
Slick wrote on Sep 26, 2016, 19:19:
As if he's just a lowly programmer working in the bowels of a machine that isn't HIS COMPANY. Give me a break, you can't be that ignorant.

If Ronald McDonald started farting in every 3rd quarter-pounder, then I'd probably not eat at McDonalds. That's my right, my freedom.

It's Facebook's company, but he is a public face of it. If Ronald McDonald starting farting in burgers then his actions would directly affect you as a customer, that's not comparable.

Well, they aren't boycotting all of Facebook apparently (how else would they organize their boycott?!) They're just boycotting the part that Palmer is associated with.
 
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163. Re: Oculus Facing Political Backlash [Updated] Sep 26, 2016, 18:59 Wowbagger_TIP
 
Orogogus wrote on Sep 26, 2016, 17:12:
Wowbagger_TIP wrote on Sep 26, 2016, 16:48:
Sure, it's his right to support whomever he wants, verbally or financially.

Now explain to us why all the people who don't like him supporting a racist group and candidate don't have a right to choose not to support his company, and by extension, Palmer himself, either verbally or financially.

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If you, as an individual, don't want to buy the Rift because of Luckey, that's your right. But thanks to the Internet it's not hard to turn that into a mob demanding that Luckey be removed or else they'll drag Oculus' name into the mud. "Oh well, it's one employee and he can do what he wants with his money, even if hypothetically everyone else at Facebook and Oculus donates way more money to Hillary" is apparently not an option.

What you call a mob is merely a bunch of individuals deciding that they agree that he did something shitty and "dragging Oculus' name into the mud" is simply them exercising their free speech that they don't want to support the company that pays this guy who gives that money to a racist group.

Free speech doesn't mean freedom from any consequences. Especially when those consequences are just others exercising their own right to free speech.
 
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157. Re: Oculus Facing Political Backlash [Updated] Sep 26, 2016, 16:48 Wowbagger_TIP
 
Orogogus wrote on Sep 26, 2016, 14:33:
Beamer wrote on Sep 26, 2016, 14:21:
Orogogus wrote on Sep 26, 2016, 14:14:
Beamer wrote on Sep 26, 2016, 13:50:
It's less about what they've actually done and more that Palmer Luckey tried to anonymously raise funds for a pro-Trump PAC.

If you don't care about how racist it is or isn't or what anyone's actually done, then I don't see how this isn't just mobbing up on anyone who supports the candidate you don't like and trying to make them unemployable.

Why would you not care about how racist Trump is? That's the whole point here. He's trying to use his money to raise the money of those much less fortunate than him in order to support a candidate who pushes policies that are counter the interests of a significant chunk of his company's audience.

Not Trump; I'm talking about the PAC, and Luckey. I'm not convinced they're actually Trump supporters, and apparently neither were the Trump supporters on Reddit. I kind of think it was some scam for lulz.

And again, from the point of view of principle, it's Luckey's right to support whoever he wants and do what he wants with his money, within the legal strictures regarding PACs and superPACs. From a pragmatic point of view, do you really think money withheld from Oculus and Facebook would have gone to Clinton or to Trump?

Sure, it's his right to support whomever he wants, verbally or financially.

Now explain to us why all the people who don't like him supporting a racist group and candidate don't have a right to choose not to support his company, and by extension, Palmer himself, either verbally or financially.
 
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Beamer wrote on Sep 26, 2016, 13:15:
Also, how can anyone say it's the "liberals" trying to censor when it's the conservatives irate over black athletes kneeling during the pledge of allegiance?

I like how Orogogus completely ignored this point and went straight to "It's the liberals man!"
 
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147. Re: I watched more DOOM videos (not all of them [TL;DW]), with a guy's commentaries, from YouTube... Sep 25, 2016, 20:34 Wowbagger_TIP
 
Quboid wrote on Sep 25, 2016, 18:58:
Slick wrote on Sep 25, 2016, 18:10:
Quboid wrote on Sep 25, 2016, 18:02:
I think Clinton's tactic will be to get under Trump's skin. Bring up him failing to get Jeb Bush to let him build a casino in Florida, let him deny it again, then quote his disposition and nail him on a clear lie. If he doesn't deny it, hammer home his failure until his loses his temper. He's not good at taking criticism from women.

If she can actually nail him on a single lie, it will be a success. I'm doubtful of the success rate of this enterprise however, if the moderator won't jump in to fact check anything, as someone already mentioned on the last page, it will simply be "he said, she said", Hillary will get flustered, Trump supporters will see that as a win, end of story.

You'd think of all places to be nailed to one of his outrageous lies, it would be at the debate, but I'm telling you that guy's like liquid, he's the un-nailable.

Is it weird that I'm more nervous and anxious about tomorrow then when I actually go on stage? (still get stage fright everytime)

Like nailing orange jello to a wall.

Quoting his sworn disposition would be the slam dunk, but it would need him to first make undeniably clear that he absolutely did not try and fail to get Bush to let him build a casino. She can't bring up him denying it in a Primary debate, he needs to deny it right there.

Three hours of arguing with nowhere to hide should be awful for Trump. I'm wary of using conventional logic because that told me he'd be gone early in the primaries but he can't take criticism, he can't talk to women he can't control, he can't stick to a script. None of that will matter to the 110%'ers but hopefully anyone else will see that this is not the time to protest vote against the establishment, be it for Trump or an actually non-establishment third party.

First, since it's bugging me, it's deposition rather than disposition. Second, I completely agree that she needs to get him to say it there in the debate. I think the best way to do that is to slip his failure there in as a response to something completely unrelated. Hopefully his knee-jerk reflex to lie when challenged will kick in and he'll play right into it.

But I also agree with Slick that the guy is going to be really really hard to nail on this stuff. He's spent his whole life as a fast-talking huckster who isn't afraid to pile twelve more lies on top of the first if that's what it takes to muddy things up enough that everyone forgets what the question was or what the point of Hillary's comments are.
 
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142. Re: I watched more DOOM videos (not all of them [TL;DW]), with a guy's commentaries, from YouTube... Sep 25, 2016, 17:53 Wowbagger_TIP
 
Slick wrote on Sep 25, 2016, 16:35:
We should have a live discussion on this tomorrow during the debates. If there's not a hot new thread, then I say we all just meet up in this thread. We seem to have a fairly diverse group here... from the "Trump is the worst" people to the "Trump is Hitler people".

I'd like to read your opinions in real-time on the debate, as I'm going to need to be liquored up real saucey to make it through, and I want people to yell at the screen with.

I just have no idea what's going to happen. Hillary needs to throw a smackdown, but boxing Trump is like boxing liquid. There won't be any "fact checking" as there hardly ever is, so Trump will probably spew his mouth and Hillary will look like a dolt going: "but that's wrong!", and everyone will eyeroll...

Or Hillary will think she's walking into an engagement like that, and then Trump will get all regal and be the calm one. That's the troll tactic I think we might see from Trump. Have Hillary worked up into a frenzy after Trump moves his mouth (lies) a bunch, and then when she's frothed into a nice lather, then take the air out of the room and look confused as to why she's so upset? I think we might see a presidential "You Mad?" Tomorrow, oooh man, I can't wait.

Yeah, those are pretty much the scenarios that I'm concerned about. I'm sure Roger Ailes has been prepping Donald to deliver zingers against her. I picture him popping out at random, like Cato in the Pink Panther, just to throw a Hillary line at him and force Trump to hit him with a zinger in response.

That's what Trump's supporters want to see. That's the only reason they'll even watch. It's certainly not to find out about his policy positions Laugh
 
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130. Re: I watched more DOOM videos (not all of them [TL;DW]), with a guy's commentaries, from YouTube... Sep 25, 2016, 03:08 Wowbagger_TIP
 
Redmask wrote on Sep 25, 2016, 01:00:
But instead, we get them supporting a narcissistic imbecile with a child-like temperament, who happens to also be a pathological liar. And no, most are not doing it because they want to burn it down. These people really believe the bullshit that comes out of his mouth.

That could describe either candidate at this point.

No, it really doesn't. Clinton has plenty of flaws, but she's not at all like Trump.


Redmask wrote on Sep 25, 2016, 01:00:
You dismiss people out of hand but forget that sort of casual dismissal is what allowed Trump to get this far. He has tapped into something here and its not just 'stupid people'. I do not dare ignore it when you look at his approval ratings shooting up in battleground states with well educated voters.
I'm not dismissing anyone out of hand. I'm basing this on spending that past year listening to him and reading up on his past. There's nothing dismissive about it. I'm saying the guy isn't remotely qualified for the job because he is actually not intelligent, and not willing to put in the work to learn about the issues facing the country.

He's got a knack for selling himself through bluster and lies. He never would have pulled it off without his dad's money and connections etiher. He's the slacker in school that manages to bullshit his way through classes and gets solid Ds. If he hadn't been born rich, he probably would have ended up in prison long ago.

He cheats people out of the money he owes them. He runs scams like Trump University. You've already seen how many complete lies he's told just in this past week. He's a con man. Plain and simple. Sad that half the country is falling for it.

I don't really know how to respond to people who truly would prefer to see the country burn than elect Clinton. I think those people have seriously misdirected their outrage-fueled efforts and I just hope they don't get their wish.

Redmask wrote on Sep 25, 2016, 01:00:
The country burn? No, probably just the state of affairs in Washington is what they're wishing to burn. It doesn't really matter though, even if elected Trump's caustic dealings will render him a lame duck in office, unable to accomplish anything.

Thinking this will only affect Washington is just delusional. He can accomplish quite a lot just via executive orders. I believe both parties have spent the better part of the last 2 decades pointing that out. That assumes the Republicans don't end up running Congress too. That could give him even more power.

Redmask wrote on Sep 25, 2016, 01:00:
People scared about him ending the world are just being overly dramatic, Washington has tamed much fiercer men and the President is constrained in numerous ways from doing whatever he wants. The wasted time with Trump is what worries me more but I would almost welcome it as it would essentially destroy the Republican party which is a god damn mess. We could even get three viable parties out of it.

The election system isn't set up in a way that can sustain three parties for more than a short time. There will always be a 2-party equilibrium until we change our stupid first-past-the-post system to something that actually makes sense. We should fix our terrible redistricting and primary systems as well, while we're at it. Those are the things that are playing a big role in the polarization we've got now.

Redmask wrote on Sep 25, 2016, 01:00:
Clinton promises more of the same which in a way is almost worse. She stands for nothing that she won't change her mind on whenever convenient and is so openly in the pocket of corporate interests that its amazing people still consider her a Democrat.

Lol! Trump contradicts himself almost daily! People drag up stuff on Clinton that she said decades ago and call it a flip flop. I can deal with people changing their minds over the years. The entire country has done that on various issues. I don't believe her on some issues, like the TPP, but you're blowing it way out of proportion and giving Trump a complete pass on not knowing what the hell he's going to do, and forgetting what he's already said he'll do.

Redmask wrote on Sep 25, 2016, 01:00:
Fucking depressing election. Alas poor Bernie. The candidate we deserved but will never get.
Given the number of supporters Trump has, I'm not so sure we deserve better. That's what's depressing.
 
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Redmask wrote on Sep 25, 2016, 00:09:
Saboth wrote on Sep 24, 2016, 16:59:
It's like saying you are really tired of boring old water, so you are going with raw sewage.

No, it's like saying you've got a choice between sewage and sewage. Clinton is a fucking train wreck with approvals nearing Trump and no one cares about her bonafides because they don't trust her. You vastly underestimate just how tired people are of Washington and the status quo. They would rather burn it all to the ground with Trump than see Clinton elected. We're staring into the darkness here and we deserve it. Clinton and Trump never should've made it this far.

Damn you for giving in Bernie.

I don't really know how to respond to people who truly would prefer to see the country burn than elect Clinton. I think those people have seriously misdirected their outrage-fueled efforts and I just hope they don't get their wish.

What if, instead of fueling this insane support of Trump, they turned all that energy toward rallies and protests demanding reform of the voting system, including the primaries? What if they demanded campaign finance reform too? I guarantee there are a lot on the left that want those same things, especially after seeing what happened to Bernie.

But instead, we get them supporting a narcissistic imbecile with a child-like temperament, who happens to also be a pathological liar. And no, most are not doing it because they want to burn it down. These people really believe the bullshit that comes out of his mouth.
 
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115. Re: I watched more DOOM videos (not all of them [TL;DW]), with a guy's commentaries, from YouTube... Sep 24, 2016, 22:03 Wowbagger_TIP
 
Slick wrote on Sep 24, 2016, 21:16:
Wowbagger_TIP wrote on Sep 24, 2016, 21:01:
So what does that say about the people who say Hillary can't be trusted, yet defend Trump even though he lies at least 50 times as much as her?

I'm the first to say that Hillary has definitely lied on quite a few occasions, but she's got nothing on the sheer volume of lies that Trump pumps out on a daily basis.

I have friends on facebook, I watched many pro-Bernie videos compiling some straight-up lies that Hillary said. The leaving the airport under gunfire was particularly hilarious, as it was just an outright fabrication. Still, pales in comparison to both the volume, and the insidiousness of Trump's lies. "Pathological" can't even describe how deep it goes. I'm truly dumbstruck that people believe anything that man says. Which could go both ways, perhaps all the intolerance and hatred is an extension of the lies. I have to say, if this is all a ruse, and he ends up fracturing the GOP so badly that they're a mess for decades... If the plan was to destroy the party of hate from within... It would be the greatest political stunt in history, and Trump would be my hero. He was a NYC Democrat for most of this life, part of me wants to believe this far-fetched tale, I would have so much respect for him if this were the case.

Also I want to say your posts have been enlightening, you back up your arguments with references, and don't back down to utter bullshit.

Thanks. I think the idea of Trump as a sort of Trojan Horse in the Republican party would be amazing, but it would also mean he's just been pretending to be a complete idiot all of his life. Nobody is that good an actor


 
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Slick wrote on Sep 24, 2016, 21:05:
Muscular Beaver wrote on Sep 24, 2016, 20:48:
Thats exactly the problem. If you cant recognize obvious hypocrisy anymore, then nobody can explain it to you, because youre most likely ignoring it on purpose, because youre biased. And Im surely not going to get into this brainless flamewar by trying to. People need to realize it themselves, even friends telling it them will make most people tick out and rather end the friendship, than admit it.

Well, I don't know if this was his point or not, but there is a neurological condition where people who are bad at something literally don't have the skillset to UNDERSTAND that they're bad at it.

Extrapolated, this could explain that people who don't understand that they're full of shit are literally lacking the brain functions to even understand that they're full of shit.

I think you're describing the Dunning-Kruger effect. Trump has the mentality of young-ish teenager. I think he believes his own bullshit and actually lives in this reality distortion field that he's created for himself.

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Muscular Beaver wrote on Sep 24, 2016, 20:48:
Quboid wrote on Sep 24, 2016, 16:26:
Muscular Beaver wrote on Sep 24, 2016, 15:58:
DV wrote on Sep 24, 2016, 10:59:
Muscular Beaver wrote on Sep 24, 2016, 10:17:
The hypocrisy in this thread and on this topic in general is sickening, to say the least.

Thank you. I'm glad I'm not the only one seeing it in this thread.
Like always, they dont seem to care. Its like theres a huge competition going on whos the biggest hypocrite. The term hypocrite seems to be a compliment to them.

Who is "they"? People are rarely aware of when they are being hypocritical by their own interpretation, never mind yours. I have no idea who you mean.
Thats exactly the problem. If you cant recognize obvious hypocrisy anymore, then nobody can explain it to you, because youre most likely ignoring it on purpose, because youre biased. And Im surely not going to get into this brainless flamewar by trying to. People need to realize it themselves, even friends telling it them will make most people tick out and rather end the friendship, than admit it.

So what does that say about the people who say Hillary can't be trusted, yet defend Trump even though he lies at least 50 times as much as her?

I'm the first to say that Hillary has definitely lied on quite a few occasions, but she's got nothing on the sheer volume of lies that Trump pumps out on a daily basis.
 
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Scottish Martial Arts wrote on Sep 24, 2016, 20:02:
RedEye9 wrote on Sep 24, 2016, 17:22:
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The hilarious/sad thing is that's just the last seven days, and only the blatant/major lies. The man is a blackhole of insecurity requiring a steady stream of bluster and bullshit to fill it. Most of us figure out that character matters far more than juvenile dominance displays by about the time we graduate from high school. Why would we give drone strike authority to someone who emotionally and socially never left the high school locker room?

Here's another lie from Trump. Either he lied during the primary debate, or he was lying in his deposition.

 
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dubfanatic wrote on Sep 24, 2016, 15:06:
Wowbagger_TIP wrote on Sep 24, 2016, 14:51:
dubfanatic wrote on Sep 24, 2016, 14:39:
Wowbagger_TIP wrote on Sep 24, 2016, 14:29:
I seem to recall a Trump supporter punching a restrained protestor in the face, everybody cheering for him, and Trump offering to pay the legal fees of anyone who beat the crap out of a protestor. So don't get on your high horse while defending Trump. 100% my ass. You just see what you want to see.


Please point me to the times when Trump supporters gathered outside Hillary rallies and shouted obscenities, threw eggs at Hillary supporters, threw rocks at cars with Hillary bumper stickers on them, blocked emergency vehicles and freeways, and forced Hillary rallies to be canceled. Because I must have forgot about those.

Here's one.

Here's another.

Love this guy's reasoning for supporting Trump.

And Trump himself supports violence against non-violent protesters.

While anti-Trump protestors have certainly been violent on occasion, let's not pretend it's just them. Let's also note that while Clinton has never supported such violence, Trump has.

Aww poor little liberal got his signs ripped up. It's just like Nazi Germany!

Reading isn't your strong point, huh?
 
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dubfanatic wrote on Sep 24, 2016, 14:44:
Wowbagger_TIP wrote on Sep 24, 2016, 14:40:
You have no idea what you're talking about. You think most of the 11 million-ish illegal immigrants just walked across the border? Wow. You have even the foggiest idea what a wall like he's talking about would cost to build, maintain, and man? It's insane.

Wow just wow, did I trigger you? Then how about you educate this ignorant stupid bigot redneck Trump supporter and tell me, how do they get across the border? Because I'm sure they're all just chomping at the bit to tell people exactly how they did it.

Do you have a lock on your door? Well, if you do, I hate to tell you, but locks don't work! People can pick them, bust them out, or go in through a window. Better get rid of your lock, buddy!

First of all, comparing it to Great Wall of China is a terrible comparison. I guess the valid part of the comparison is that it won't really stop people from coming through, so there's that.

A big portion of the illegal immigrants, over 40%, come on visas and overstay after it has expired. Others come in via northern border or increasingly, since the Bush fence went up, by boat.

Trump's wall is ridiculous and stupidly expensive. And that's if we go with his lowest numbers. He's put the height at anywhere from 25 to 55 feet. He's gone back and forth from a real wall, to a metaphorical wall, to a cyber wall, and back to a real wall.

Even a conservative estimate puts the figure at between 15 and 20 billion just for materials. Labor, equipment, planning, design, land acquisition aren't even included in that. They haven't even offered a guess about what it would cost annually to man and maintain such a ridiculous defense.

The guy hasn't put a lick of thought into the problem. He doesn't know anything about immigration, legal or otherwise, except that it's cheaper, which is why he has a history of hiring illegals himself. He doesn't even bother to learn about the issues he talks about. He gets a few talking points from his campaign and just makes the rest up.

There's a reason that a lot of Republicans want immigration reform. We actually do need the labor force. The solution isn't to build a wall, it's to make it easier for people to come here to work legally. Making them wait months or years for a work permit is a stupid, broken system. Like any broken system, people will look for ways to avoid dealing with it. A wall isn't going to change that. It's just a huge waste of money.

Obama has been deporting far more illegals than even Bush did, but it isn't going to change the realities that there are people who are going to come here one way or another. It also doesn't change the reality that we need a lot of them to come here and work. Even if, and this is total fantasy, the wall was 100% effective, we would have a lot of farms and other business that were completely screwed and don't have the labor force they need. That would be a bit hit to the economy in terms of exports, supply, cost of food and other goods and services, etc.
 
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dubfanatic wrote on Sep 24, 2016, 14:39:
Wowbagger_TIP wrote on Sep 24, 2016, 14:29:
I seem to recall a Trump supporter punching a restrained protestor in the face, everybody cheering for him, and Trump offering to pay the legal fees of anyone who beat the crap out of a protestor. So don't get on your high horse while defending Trump. 100% my ass. You just see what you want to see.


Please point me to the times when Trump supporters gathered outside Hillary rallies and shouted obscenities, threw eggs at Hillary supporters, threw rocks at cars with Hillary bumper stickers on them, blocked emergency vehicles and freeways, and forced Hillary rallies to be canceled. Because I must have forgot about those.

Here's one.

Here's another.

Love this guy's reasoning for supporting Trump.

And Trump himself supports violence against non-violent protesters.

While anti-Trump protestors have certainly been violent on occasion, let's not pretend it's just them. Let's also note that while Clinton has never supported such violence, Trump has.
 
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92. Re: I watched more DOOM videos (not all of them [TL;DW]), with a guy's commentaries, from YouTube... Sep 24, 2016, 14:40 Wowbagger_TIP
 
dubfanatic wrote on Sep 24, 2016, 14:36:
Dagnamit wrote on Sep 24, 2016, 13:22:
He hasn't told us anything about what he intends to do other than to build a wall, which is the stupidest fucking idea in history. I will GLADLY debate an idea or a policy I will NOT debate on whether someone that says racist things is racist. You are asking me to ignore reality and I will not do that.

Haha yeah those Romans and Chinese were so stupid to build walls. The Roman Empire would still be around if they had just been nicer to barbarians!

Do you have a lock on your door?

You have no idea what you're talking about. You think most of the 11 million-ish illegal immigrants just walked across the border? Wow. You have even the foggiest idea what a wall like he's talking about would cost to build, maintain, and man? It's insane. Even Trump figured out how bad his wall idea was. I'll just let him explain:

"I'm a great builder. What do I best in life, I build. Your infrastructure is crumbling. Isn't it nice to have a builder? A real builder. So you take precast plank. It comes 30 feet long, 40 feet long, 50 feet long. You see the highways where they can span 50, 60 feet, even longer than that, right? And do you a beautiful nice precast plank with beautiful everything. Just perfect. I want it to be so beautiful because maybe someday they'll call it The Trump Wall. Maybe. So I have to make sure it's beautiful, right? I'll be very proud of that wall. If they call at this The Trump Wall, it has to be beautiful. And you put that plank up and you dig your footings. And you put that plank up -- there's no ladder going over that. If they ever go up there, they're in trouble, because here's no way to get down. Maybe a rope."

You guys support this moron?
 
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89. Re: I watched more DOOM videos (not all of them [TL;DW]), with a guy's commentaries, from YouTube... Sep 24, 2016, 14:36 Wowbagger_TIP
 
Paranoid Jack wrote on Sep 24, 2016, 13:39:
NasWulf wrote on Sep 24, 2016, 12:35:

I hate to say it .. but damn it , slick and even cutter are right on this one

If you are aligning yourself with Cutter you have got to be questioning yourself... right? Right?

Muscular Beaver wrote on Sep 24, 2016, 10:17:
The hypocrisy in this thread and on this topic in general is sickening, to say the least.

Yes, yes it is. I now know I should not have taken the bait but I was trying to bring a bit of levity in here after it went off the rails early on but I was throwing fuel on a fire and the crazy train went full on Cayce Jones.

WaltC wrote on Sep 24, 2016, 09:53:
Anyone who would ostracize another person because of his choice of presidential candidate is a jackass in my view (and I don't mean anyone in this thread because I haven't read it.) ~~~~~ Any developer who would ostracize customers simply because he doesn't like their choice of presidential candidate is a fool. I don't intend to argue this. There is nothing to argue.

Finally, a few more level headed people with a filter. Thank you. Glad to see the pendulum swinging a bit more toward center here. It is just the internet and just Blue'sNews but still such a shame how some people here show their hate and throw crazy accusations about as if they are off their meds. Before early this morning I thought more of you were intelligent, well spoken, and understanding members here but this thread has shown several of you in a new different light.

Refusing to support someone who is actively funding the kind of hatred and divisive politics that Trump is, is a perfectly rational thing to do. He's free to say what he wants and contribute to whomever he wants. And others are free to decide that they don't want to support what he says and does by giving him money, since he's just giving it to a group like that.

Where's the problem?
 
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WaltC wrote on Sep 24, 2016, 09:53:
Anyone who would ostracize another person because of his choice of presidential candidate is a jackass in my view (and I don't mean anyone in this thread because I haven't read it.) I support Trump 110% and I also support the right of whoever chooses to support Clinton or Johnson or even Sanders 110%! We live in a free country--I have never seen so much hate and vitriol spewed during an election--it's disgusting. 95% of the people who hate Trump are responding not to anything Trump has said or done but to things people have willingly made up about the guy--he's never made a so-called racist-hate speech--not once! That's a pure lie.

From my view, it is 100% the anti-Trump people spewing the hate and the venom. Just like at Trump rallies it isn't Trump supporters friggin' destroying property and hurting people--it's the anti-Trump people--and in many cases people *paid* to incite riots! Soros should be under the jail--but unfortunately we live under a presently lawless administration--thank God that's about to change!

Any developer who would ostracize customers simply because he doesn't like their choice of presidential candidate is a fool. I don't intend to argue this. There is nothing to argue.
I seem to recall a Trump supporter punching a restrained protestor in the face, everybody cheering for him, and Trump offering to pay the legal fees of anyone who beat the crap out of a protestor. So don't get on your high horse while defending Trump. 100% my ass. You just see what you want to see.

 
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