so it's ok to call people cultists and spread lies....as long as you're a regular.

got it.

Beamer wrote on Jan 7, 2020, 14:11:
Star Citizen doesn't need a defense squad. Either it comes out and is a good, or at least decent, game, or it doesn't/isn't. Trolling random websites for any message of it to defend it will have zero impact upon that.

Nor does it need a hit squad, accusing supporters of being a cult and making personal attacks. If you don't like the game. Don't post. There are lots of games I don't like. I don't make a point of going into every thread about them slamming the people who are playing and spreading misinformation. When that happens, you can't be too shocked that people will come to its defense.

Dacron wrote on Jan 7, 2020, 13:07:
My "attack" (lol. Sensitive are ya?) to you is still up.

Christ, if you can't even keep your own attacks straight... again, the problem is you. That particular post was not a personal attack. I'm talking about your string of 3 removed posts where instead of attacking my arguments, you attacked me as a person. This is known as an ad hominem attack. Then after that, you made more attacks against Nas, again, on his person, not on his ideas.

You can't even take responsibility for your shitposting. You're still throwing out your little insults even now all the while accusing others of being bitter. Look in a mirror dude You really don't get to point the finger at Nas for getting warned by Blue. That's still preferable to someone getting their post removed, not taking the hint, and still continuing to do it.

Just classic projection here.

Dacron wrote on Jan 7, 2020, 12:34:
We're saying that's the ONLY reason some of you are here, and will lie to try and avoid that fact.

Oh, and those *removed* posts ? Were from going "Awww muffin you sound upset" over and over and Naswulf reporting them (again, whilst calling others names.... it's like you can't read a post). I'd GLADLY do it again. He's here for one reason and attacks regularly - the difference is most of us don't report stuff that hurts our feelings.

I mean... as he starts AGAIN with it.... But hey, everyone else is at fault. I get it. We're all meanies picking on the guy who came here to and does nothing but fight.

Again, that's not a crime though. If someone wants to make an account to defend CIG from your shitposts, that's not a problem.

Nice revisionist history there, but wrong. You were making personal attacks against me multiple times, and *I* reported them multiple times since you just weren't taking the hint. Pretty much any other site you would have been banned for making repeated offenses like that. And after you made personal attacks against me, you shifted and attacked Nas. I don't know why Blue didn't remove your attacks against Nas. I can only guess he takes a stance of only the person being attacked can report the posts as personal attacks.

You and others are the aggressors here. And in true aggressor tradition, you blame the person reporting the post instead of the behavior itself. I only reported the post. Blue removed it. Talk to him about your poor behavior. I'm pretty sure he's removed posts without needing someone to report it. Where is your excuse then?

You have only yourself to blame. Nice of you to admit for everyone to see you'll continue making personal attacks against anyone you disagree with.

Blue, we were just talking about how removing comments is not necessarily stopping bad behavior. Here is Exhibit A

Glass houses, Dacron, glass houses. How many comments have you had removed because you're unable to restrain yourself attacking people who support the game? And not just you either. it's the anti-CIG crowd that can't seem to play nice with others and have had to have Blue step in and remove comments.

Supporting CIG is not a crime. Get over yourself. Making personal attacks, however, does violate Blue's ToS. You have no high ground to stand on.

lol even those of us in the pro-SC camp wouldn't call this a "smart investment"

I know full well that I'm dumping money into something that I'm not getting a direct return on. We're pledging to help make a game a lot of people want to see made reality. That's the entire nature of crowd funding, so in that respect it's no different from any other crowd funding project ever made. We know it's a risk, we know it may flop, blah blah blah blah. We've heard it all before. I occasionally visit the official forums for SC and every time I see someone get all pretentious and call themselves an "investor" I rip them for it. It's just a game. We're all just computer nerds who want to play a game.

Don't blame Blue for the actions of the forumers who shitpost. Keep in mind that Blue's name comes from the original Wing Commander. So I think you're seeing things that aren't really there.

If people were truly not interested in SC, they wouldn't post, so even the haters clearly have some interest in SC.

Blue wrote on Jan 5, 2020, 13:16:
A lot of readers here urge me to just ban new accounts that register just to argumentatively push a pro-CIG viewpoint, which I don't do. But making things up to imply I am being unfair certainly tempts me to consider it.

Seriously? dafuq? Tell me again who the real cultists are? Every SC posts just attracts troll after troll posting disinformation Fox News style. Chris Roberts has a blacklist in hollywood? that's a new one that I couldn't find any evidence to back up. I thought the wing commander movie was crap too but that's a bit ridiculous.

The word of the day...perhaps the last decade is projection.

In another forum I post at, in regards to that old Escapist article that made a ton of allegations with nothing to back it up, we had one poster argue that instead of proving guilt, CIG had to prove their innocence, throwing the basis of our system of justice to the four winds. I also later got booted out of that thread by mods for complaining about the trolls that came just to shitpost conspiracy theories and the like...similar to what we're seeing here. The anti-fanboy insanity runs deep.

We get it, this game is controversial, not only in what it aims to accomplish, but in how it is funded. Just getting tired of people acting like CR personally visited them and shot their dog and have a personal vendetta against him. So many people acting like HeWhoShallNotBeNamed and I didn't think that was something to aspire to. It's just so stupid to plant your flag on the game crashing and burning as he has.

Just walk away. move on to the next post.

There are some things you can’t and shouldn’t compromise on. That’s where the issue lies. Sure, lots of things can be compromised on. Many things are just simple policy disagreements. But when two sides can’t agree on basic facts or when its an issue of morality or human rights. Some issues simply don’t go away even if a compromise is made.

And that’s the issue. We’re divided on a lot of stuff right now and it’s just a question of whether some of these issues will come to blows, or if we just have to wait for the older generation to die off for a clear majority to emerge in order to move forward.

It’s the kind of thing that makes you wonder about our system of gov’t. I agree that direct majority shouldn’t decide everything. Yes, too much democracy is a bad thing. But then on the other hand, our founders required supermajorities for some things to be passed. Which then creates the situation where the majority do agree on something, but we have to wait until that majority is big enough.. why do we have to wait?

But that’s just it, we’ve strayed from the topic. We’re talking about forum moderation here. One person rules here. And its ok for that person to take a hard stance on something. They don’t have to poll the masses here. If you don’t like it, there are plenty of other forums out there. Or just shut the whole thing down.

OK, Ant or who ever else might subscribe to the vulnerability summaries.

Is it just me or are they not actually emailing the summaries out or updating their RSS feed lately? At some point, I just stopped receiving updates. I went onto their website and verified that I was set to get the updates. I also re-added the RSS feed, but I'm just not getting squat unless I manually go to the website and check myself.

I'm of the opinion that it's just symptomatic of how divisive our political culture is (maybe it always will be?). Sites want traffic, so they want everyone to feel included.

But of course, everything turns political at some point. I think inevitably you have to pick a side, regardless of how you define that side. It's okay that we're not going to agree with everything. Not all opinions are equal man and it's up to each site to decide which ones they agree with and take a stand either way.

As long as you spell out the rules clearly and enforce them. But of course, that takes time and some semblance of consistency, which can be hard.

You can still have a site of like-minded people and still not let it become an echo chamber.

hate to say this, but any place with forums requires active moderation. I mean unless you want things to devolve into youtube comments territory. Someone earlier mentioned that traffic here is dwindling. The same thing happened to videosift. the owner of the site thought ignore was sufficient for moderation.

It isn't

He would let a number of people post openly racist crap or proselytize their religion and he would never step in clean house despite these things directly violating TOS. he would openly say that he doesn't share the racist or religious opinions, but he would just never step in and do anything about it.

There has to be consequences for posting stuff that goes against ToS or else they just keep doing it. then the TOS becomes meaningless I know libertarians like to believe we should all self-regulate and take a hands off approach. But until self-regulation stops becoming the exception and instead becomes the rule, every forum needs some moderating.

Drath71 wrote on Dec 29, 2019, 15:06:

Muscular Beaver wrote on Dec 29, 2019, 06:50:
All this disgusting hate here. And yet the "Trumpsters" are the haters, huh?

Don't you know, history often repeats itself. It's amazing to see calls for violence against those who basically disagree with the "progressives". All the while, the "progressives" encourage more violence than their opposition ever did.
It's the leftist's core values: Hypocrisy and a rejection of personal responsibility built on a foundation of eternal victimization.
This is why we have a guy like Trump who won in 2016, will win again in 2020 despite what amounts to a coup attempt.

you just saw two trump supporters in this thread claim victimization. What is it like in alternative facts land? I asked them to take responsibility for their comments and they deflected. I asked them to point out specifically where the hate was, they couldn't do it. Now you're imagining calls for violence from progressives when in reality, right wing terrorism has killed more americans than islamic terrorists

seriously dude, seek mental help, you're seeing things that aren't there.

This comment was edited on Dec 29, 2019, 16:29.

Red886 wrote on Dec 29, 2019, 10:49:
white nationalism in the face of anti-white racism which has exploded to the point that even white celebrities hate their own skin?

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAAAAA!

no really...

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAAHAHAHAHA!

seriously dude, fuck off with that nonsense. poor white guy. Such a victim.

All this disgusting hate here. And yet the "Trumpsters" are the haters, huh?

Where specifically is the hate you speak of?

I see someone commenting about how because she's been raised with a silver spoon in her mouth, she doesn't match the demographic of a consumer. - not hate.

I see someone commenting about how she makes them want to vomit - again, not hate.

I see someone commenting about how she's not qualified and hoping she doesn't get groped - again, not hate.

I see someone commenting about how her dad has been known to refer to her in an appropriate manner numerous times in the past - still not hate.

Meanwhile, we've seen right wing violence on the rise since the election of Trump. We've seen a rise in white nationalism which is defined specifically by their hatred of non-whites. And many Trump supporters want to see him get re-elected "to make the libtards cry"

Yes, we can demonstrate that the "Trumpsters" are the haters. Your own post demonstrates the victim mentality you seem to have all the while claiming it's the other side are the snowflakes. Classic projection.

that is about the weakest way possible a very popular character could be made canon so until we see Revan on screen or animated or whatever, I really wouldn't put ANY stock in that "easter egg" which isn't even in the movie, but in some stupid supplemental material that most people won't see.

Just really pathetic

as usual Cutter, you demonstrate your ignorance.

Here's a couple guys messing around with the new 3.8 update and demonstrating whats possible.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v3CgoAGx-CM

if your moved goalposts now demand space combat.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d2zk1IgwUgU

but I can already hear grandpa yelling at his cloud , "but it's not in spaaaaaaaaaaace!!!"

I remember watching some NES Zelda speed run many years ago and I literally didn't understand what was going on. The game started and the screen glitched out and jumped immediately to the end and everyone was cheering as if they made some grand feat.

its the kind of thing that makes me think that humans are just way too competitive that they invent things like this to compete on.

I mean getting a high score on something is one thing. If the game was designed to be competitive, then cool. But when you're just literally just making up shit to compete on...that's where it just gets absurd IMO

Earlyworm wrote on Dec 23, 2019, 07:35:
Why the obsession with "finished"?

An MMO is never finished, there is just more content added incrementally. The game is out now in the sense that you can download it an play it.

Don't let facts get in the way. Even when this game is officially released, they'll just move the goalposts again. Their "arguments" have devolved into just old men shaking their fist at clouds. All of their arguments completely ignore the alpha, the many streamers playing it for everyone to see. In their world, it's still vaporware. Their narrative depends on it. Which hey, that was true a number of years ago, but they're just a few years behind the times, but whatever it takes to keep them in their safe space.

Cutter wrote on Dec 21, 2019, 22:23:

VoodooV wrote on Dec 21, 2019, 20:43:
Wipe the spittle from your mouths please before you gnash your teeth and call us cultists and make other personal attacks and whip yourselves into a frenzy each time Blue makes a SC post.

You wouldn’t want to come off as unreasonable and unhinged as you accuse others of the same, now would you?

The only thing unreasonable and unhinged is to drink the Kool-aid. Particularly after everyone else told you it was poisoned.

Thank you for proving my point that you can’t make a post involving SC without attacking the backers. You don’t get to dictate what other people spend their money on. This game isn’t for you. Time to move on. It is unhealthy to constantly spend your time attacking people for what game they choose to like.

Wipe the spittle from your mouths please before you gnash your teeth and call us cultists and make other personal attacks and whip yourselves into a frenzy each time Blue makes a SC post.

You wouldn’t want to come off as unreasonable and unhinged as you accuse others of the same, now would you?