Well hopefully the next GTA game will say "kill all the white people"

It seems, having read this http://libertus.net/censor/fallacies.html#vg that the game was in fact entitled Custer's Revenge."

The article only said this about the "Custard's Revenge" Title.

"(Note: There was apparently a game called Custers Revenge produced and available for the Atari 2600 system in the early 1980s. That may or may not have some connection with claims that a game titled Custer's Last Stand was allegedly poised hit the Australian market in 1992/93.)"

BJB

And on the other hand...

Does anyone recall the furor over an old independantly produced 1980's Atari 2600 game cart called "Custer's Last Stand" (CLS)? In it the player as Custer had various options to sexually molest an Indian 'squaw' that was tied to a post. The public was shocked and outraged and the game was forcibly killed and recalled.

Yet the same arguments made defending GTA3 apply to CLS.

Yet again I've no doubt GTA3 defenders would be appalled at CLS, or at the "kill the negroes" Quake mod that popped up a few months ago, and would have no problem Banning THOSE games. Cuz those games are Bad and Wrong.

But oh no, not the Sacred Holy Righteous GTA3.
That game is Freedom of Expression which is clearly Different.
Right.

Game defenders and critics alike are equally guilty of phoney baloney convenient rationalizations, situation ethics, and selective hypocrisy.

you can piss on each other...
...one BIG flaw is the aiming. maybe its because there were only slow ass servers (still I had a 90 ping) but it was pretty fucked up. I couldnt hit shit.

The government should not be able to decide for us what the children in our society what they can or cannot play. I personaly dont see anything wrong with FPS's and the such. Sure they all involve killing various types of enemies, but just look at the type they kill. That is where people are blind. They see violence in killing someone, but games like Rainbow six, Call of Duty, Medal of Honor and even Jedi Academy... What do all these games have in common other than enemies being killed? The battle between GOOD and EVIL. I myself am 27 and an avid gamer and have been since before i could comprehend what it was all about and I havent played many games where I was the bad guy., The games that let you take out terrorists, Nazis, demons, I say we need more games like these. Screw what any government official says.

Again I say, parents should not police their kids, they should give their kids and example to look up to. If you provide a bad example, or no example at all, than no amount of policing will stop the kid from doing bad things. But if you show them how to be a good person through your own actions, then no amount of bad influence will turn them astray.

See the point? Whats needed is not a lack of negative influence, its an adundance of positive.

It's up to parents

kids are not stupid, they know games are games.

Kids are taught right from wrong from their parents,

but we all have it in our minds we are not born stupid, if a kid cannot tell that it is wrong to murder someone and cannot tell the difference between real life and games then they already have problems.

Step 1: Obtain Child.
Step 2: Purchase sensory deprivation chamber.
Step 3: Feed child sugar-free flavorless vitamin-paste.

Step 4: Continue until 18.
Step 5: Release perfectly happy child out into the violent, obscene world.

Over protective parenting does accomplish anything, other than the kids being pissed at you for not allowing them to do something that is so obviously harmless. Its because of people like this that every time I switch on TBS (Superstation), every swear word is replaced with "snap" and "dang". If you seriously think that swearing, or porn, or pretend violence warps kids minds, then you really shouldn't be in a position to make any sorts of decisions regarding whats kids should and should not be allowed to do.

Well that, and and the fact that kids grow up listening to "I'm 'a cap yo' ass nigga, then off to 'ma crib to smoke to chronic and mack them hoes."

But getting parents to approve the games isn't even any better, since the media has put such a scare on the parents that the only thing they're going to buy for their kids is Barbie's Play Magic Funhouse or something like that. I

don't think that some of the games currently rated "M" are so violent as to warp kid's fragile little minds. The only stuff that I can currently think of that should not be sold to minors is Manhunt, since from what I hear thats really twisted. Games like Max Payne 2 or Vice City, just let them buy it. I mean, if the kid is over 14 or something, and doesn't have a crazy look in his eye, just let the kids play. Don't they realize the huge hypocrisy in trying to limit violent video games while promoting violence (as long as its labeled "peacekeeping") in almost every form of media.

Its great that I'm in Canada, where politicians still have some sort of rational thought left, and where these people can't infiringe upon my rights to buy video games.

<i>step 3) optionally, in the case of a kid getting someone who is not their parent to buy the game for them, get a signature and a phone number or something..</i>

This isn't alcohol, or cigarettes... Does anyone really worry about some 8 year old playing a video game and when his parents tell him he has to go to bed he gets mad and grabs a gun and wants to keep playing?

Parents have to enforce the rules! Not retailers, not cops, PARENTS. If you have a kid and you tell him/her he can't play that game, GUESS WHAT, you'll have to watch him like a hawk, check his computer/xbox multiple times per day, sneak around his/her room while at school, eaves drop on him with his friends, meet his friends parents, find out if his friends have the game, monitor what he spends his money on, and that is just for starters! KIDS ARE SNEAKY LITTLE BASTARDS. I was!