BigVlad wrote on Jul 28, 2022, 02:26:
As an example of how poisoned and stupid this word is, just look at the discourse on the new Thor movie, even before its release. I watch a lot of movies so I come across this stuff on YouTube. Why do they call it "woke"? Because a woman plays a prominent role. That's it. Do you really think that Terminator 1/2, Alien, and Aliens would not be called "woke" by the right if released today? If you're definition of "woke" is not "minority and/or women bad" then you probably should not be using that word, since that's overwhelmingly how it is being used nowadays.
Those movies sold very well and have always been very popular among men of every political stripe. Men today don't hate those movies for having a woman in the lead role. Show me one of these youtubes that says that a movie is woke solely because a woman is in the lead role. And let's see how many views it has.
As this video by a woman with 4.4 million views states:
"Turns out 50% of the population is female, and you know what? They're not going to see these movies or support these TV shows either [shows the Rotten Tomatoes audience scores for woke movies]. Is it because women hate women? No..."
EVERYTHING WRONG WITH WOKE CULTURE | and the impact on feminism (2021)
https://youtu.be/Nqmd4iU8J3kIn this video that has 2.6 million views, the Critical Drinker gives examples of female wokism in movies and how it actually is a disservice to women.
What Happened To Our Villains? | Critical Drinker
https://youtu.be/vnRP7SKzOgkCritical Drinker: "The problem is that good villains seem to be a dying breed these days. The awesome antagonists that used to dominate the screen and push our heroes to the very limits of their endurance, are gradually being replaced by weak, flaccid, forgettable imitations, with none of the power an menace of their predecessors. And because they no longer present a challenge, there's no real payoff when they get defeated."
[He shows examples of how Kylo Ren is a second-rate Darth Vader in every way imaginable, as well as other villains of today Why? Because in this case when it comes to woke movies] "...one of the golden rules is that women are never allowed to lose to men at anything for any reason. Whether it's a physical fight, a test of skill or intelligence, or even a simple argument, pick basically any scenario where a woman gets pitted against a man, and I can pretty much guarantee you the woman will come out on top.
"...it creates a very obvious problem when your hero happens to be female and your villain male. Traditional storytelling requires the antagonist to start out stronger and more dangerous than the hero, forcing them to grow and improve themselves in some way, before finally prevailing at the end. But naturally, this process requires the man to be dominant in the early stages, and as we've already discussed, that's not allowed to happen anymore, even if it's just a temporary thing.
"....And what's really interesting is that the problem still exists, even if you reverse the roles. Take Thor: Ragnarök for example. The villain in that movie is a woman, which is perfectly fine at the beginning when she gets to kick Thor's ass, but it becomes a real problem near the finale when it's time for him to win. You definitely can't show Thor hammering a woman into the ground, because that brings up all kinds of unpleasant accusations of glorifying violence against women. So instead, the movie takes the best alternative, and has a third-party step in to win the battle for him. Notice how they carefully managed to side-step the uncomfortable issue of Thor defeating her in a fair fight. Just a little something to think about there.
"The point I'm making is that the reason people didn't warm to characters like Rey or Captain Marvel, isn't because of their gender, it's because everything is made so fucking easy for them that it's basically impossible to feel any empathy. It's the same exact problem with Ghostbusters, or Harley Quinn, or Charlie's Angels. If your heroes do nothing but plow their way through a collection of unthreatening, neutered enemies, then you'll never get your audience to care about their struggle, because they don't fucking have one.
"So what is the solution here? Well, ironically enough, the solution is equality. And I mean real equality, not the bullshit Hollywood version that makes one side artificially weaker just to make the other look superficially strong. If you want your female heroes to be respected equally, then you have to put them through equal struggles against worthy enemies. You need to stop nerfing your villains in a vain attempt to avoid offending people on social media."
This comment was edited on Jul 30, 2022, 13:17.