Hardline Mike wrote on Jul 21, 2022, 22:57:
Either way, at the current juncture I don't see any reason you can't go on saying "pregnant women" and other people can't go on saying "pregnant people."
Then let's try a thought experiment. You remember Rachel Dolezal? She lived as a black woman, identified as a black woman, ran her local branch of the NAACP. However, when it turned out that she had not, shall we say, "been assigned black at birth" there was a huge outcry, particularly on the left, over the claim that she had "appropriated" her identity.
There's a weird double standard here. Well, not just here, they're all over the place on both the left and right, but in this case--particularly on the left. Because many people on the left will say that race isn't real. That it's a kind of modern invention and isn't based on science. And I think there's a lot to that. But at the same time, the people who say race isn't real, were absolutely up in arms that Dolezal had identified as black. This was a moral outrage. Which seems like a contradiction to me. At the same time, the same types on the left will say that sex and sexual dimorphism, which is as real and quantifiable as anything can be in the scientific sense ... they will say that this isn't real, in the sense that it can change at any time.
So race, which has been invented by people for unethical reasons, is actually fixed, is actually permanent, and can not be changed by someone like Dolezal, while sex, which is as objectively real and fixed within mammals as anything can be--this isn't real and can change on a literal dime, if someone simply declares that they are the opposite sex, that then becomes
real and must be treated as if it had always been real, always been the case, a fixed truth, all the way back through time to their birth. Unless, of course, they change it again, in which case whatever they change it to then *becomes* the real and true and permanent reality.
So let's just say we have more than one Rachel Dolezal. We do actually, this has happened many times, probably more times than anyone realizes. So there is a minority of people like Dolezal, who may appear to be, on the surface, white, but they identify as black. With me so far?
People like Dolezal are not typically included in the general discourse when that discourse centers around say, the black experience. Dolezal and others like her ... they're left out of the conversation. They are not included when we talk about black people.
So the solution is ... we should start using the term "people" instead of "black people" when we refer to the latter, because otherwise we're not being inclusive of people who identify as black--like Dolezal.
The same individuals on the left who tend to use terms like "pregnant people" would freak the fuck out if anyone on their side started applying the "solution" outlined above. And I can see why. I can see why the choice to just say "people" instead of "black people" so as to not omit people who identify as black like Dolezal, would be seen as, "problematic."
Same thing should apply to the use of the term "pregnant people" instead of "pregnant women," but even more so, given that biological sex doesn't change in Homosapiens and the whole concept of race is a relatively new invention and that concept has changed, repeatedly.
Should apply, but it doesn't, because this kind of thinking is based on ideology, and not reality.This comment was edited on Jul 22, 2022, 01:54.