Desalus wrote on Aug 13, 2018, 10:03:

Quinn wrote on Aug 13, 2018, 06:30:


The monster design is praised somehow, while I find them fucking ridiculous and impossible. People accurately described one monster as a "lizard owl".
It looked as ridiculous as that description sounds.
How can your immersion not be broken if a half-turkey half-tiger comes jumping out of the water?!

It's called fantasy for a reason. Do you have the same complaints about any game that has centaurs, manticores, chimeras, griffons, pegasuses, owlbears, etc. in it?

VaranDragon wrote on Aug 13, 2018, 08:47:
If I want to play a monster hunter game Im gonna play the Witcher 3. In fact Im re-installin the GOTY edition as we speak, looking forward to the improvements and the expansions.

El Pit wrote on Aug 13, 2018, 00:09:

Cutter wrote on Aug 12, 2018, 14:23:
Watched some of that MH on Twitch. Definitely not a game for me. I'm just not down with those Japanese games. I especially loathe that oversized weapon and armor look, it just looks ridiculous.

Same here. I just can't stand this anime design with hilariously huge weapons and awkward haircuts.

RedEye9 wrote on Aug 11, 2018, 11:57:
The person you feign ignorance of knowing is Mark Collett, a right wing racist nut job. I can't believe you 2 ain't M8s. {wink}

The Half Elf wrote on Aug 10, 2018, 17:47:

Quinn wrote on Aug 10, 2018, 13:46:
Running around killing big monsters so you gain loot to kill other big monsters. I am honestly so confused about why this is such a success. I need a new game... so I'd love to try this... but... but... it just seems so fucking shallow? :\

Ok gonna play the asshole here for a min.

If you think it's just a go up whack monsters and repeat, then you sir are the shallow one.

Go watch some clips/streams and take a look at the weapons sets in the game.

Prez wrote on Aug 10, 2018, 14:38:

Quinn wrote on Aug 10, 2018, 13:46:
Running around killing big monsters so you gain loot to kill other big monsters. I am honestly so confused about why this is such a success. I need a new game... so I'd love to try this... but... but... it just seems so fucking shallow? :\

That's the gameplay loop of virtually every Action RPG in existence. It's got a lot of fans, me included.

Sepharo wrote on Aug 9, 2018, 19:19:

Quinn wrote on Aug 9, 2018, 19:00:
What a waste of fucking time. I asked you to show me where I said anything akin to "They called me a whitey!". You failed miserably. Thanks for that.

I didn't say you said that... I used it as an example of what I would consider racism against whites.
And you were not clear in asking what you wanted an example of, I thought you wanted example of you talking about racism against whites... which is damn near all you've been talking about.

...

But I am pretty confused why you're so hostile to that earlier summary.

Is that not the core of your argument?
That "white privilege" discussion is racist against whites?
And does that not, for you, mostly rest on swapping "white" with "black"? Paraphrasing, "If blacks we're treated this way it would be considered racism."

I disagree with the first, and the second doesn't make sense in context... and no that context isn't just because of skin color but because of history, society, implicit and in some cases explicit bias. Your National Review article even acknowledges you can't just simply make the "swap" argument (though it engages in it before later making that acknowledgement).

Beamer wrote on Aug 9, 2018, 19:26:

Quinn wrote on Aug 9, 2018, 18:55:

Beamer wrote on Aug 9, 2018, 18:06:
But why are more blacks committing crime?

Beeeeecause white people make them...?

Or because the majority grows up without a father, in poor neighborhoods, being poor themselves, with black artists inspiring to do crime and have unprotected sex... for starters? Seems like a recipe for exactly the shit the black community is dealing with?

I don't know, Beamer. Why are more blacks committing crimes? Why do hunders of blacks kill eachother every year by putting bullets in eachother's heads? Why do they steal more? Deal more?

What can we white folks do to fix it? Because, by all means, let's fix it!

Ok, so black people are more likely to have these things in their lives, most of which are beyond their control and are from before they're born. White people are less likely to, by a wide margin.

Perhaps there's some kind of advantage, or privilege, in not having to deal with that? And perhaps there are some parts of society so disgusted by these things beyond the control of the individual that they treat the individual differently?

Sepharo wrote on Aug 9, 2018, 18:53:
You don't remember repeatedly equating discussion of "white privilege" with racism against white people?

Beamer wrote on Aug 9, 2018, 18:06:
But why are more blacks committing crime?

Quinn wrote on Aug 9, 2018, 16:39:
Sepharo, Beamer...

Any of you willing to educate RedEye on what my position is? Seems he can only think in absolutes and he gives me a fuming-mouth impression. Maybe he'll see reason from the guys on the other side of the discussion.

Sepharo wrote on Aug 9, 2018, 18:02:

Quinn wrote on Aug 9, 2018, 16:39:
Sepharo, Beamer...

Any of you willing to educate RedEye on what my position is? Seems he can only think in absolutes and he gives me a fuming-mouth impression. Maybe he'll see reason from the guys on the other side of the discussion.

RedEye,
Quinn thinks that discussion of white privilege amounts to racism against white people.
Also he is very fond of replacing "white" with "black" and resting his case.

edit: Just noticed this bit from you, "the anti-white rhetoric [...] it's happening, and it's a fact you and I agree on."
No this is not something we agree on and something I have explained repeatedly to you. "White privilege" is not anti-white rhetoric, it's not negative against whites... it is the acknowledgement of the LACK of negative effects of being white when compared to those of being black or some other minority in this society. It is the recognition that you haven't suffered to the same degree based solely on your race.
I'm sure you must have noticed by now but I have not engaged with any of your white racism examples or anything of that sort... I have been specifically talking about "white privilege" and how the concept triggers some. If someone walks up to you on the street, spits in your face, and says "fuck you whitey!" then sure that's racism, no doubt about that. But if someone points out your white privilege when you're let go with a warning instead of being arrested, or when someone points out that video game protagonists are overwhelmingly white... no that's not racism against white people.

Beamer wrote on Aug 9, 2018, 15:34:

Quinn wrote on Aug 9, 2018, 11:00:

Beamer wrote on Aug 9, 2018, 09:33:
A lot of eyes have been opened by the term "white fragility."

I'm sorry, being polite and respectful doesn't get change. Anyone that thinks it does wasn't paying attention when women got the right to vote a mere century ago, or when black people got the right to marry white people a mere 50 years ago.

That shit came with a lot of struggle in attempts to make people challenge their preconceived notions. In order to shake things up, you need to actually shake things up.

Yes, Beamer, I get that. Everyone gets that. Those 2 examples you gave were forms of institutionalized racism/discrimination and had to change. That isn't some Captain Hindsight thing. The shit was out there for all to see. Questions could be asked: "Can black people marry white people?" and the answer was a simple "No". Shit had to get shaken up because many people didn't see what was wrong with that status quo.

Now listen -- and this is important -- today people are fighting for a very vague change. There no longer is objective evidence for institutional racism. Everyone is, in fact, equal. That's something you don't agree with, and that's why I try to make you see my reason by asking you to provide evidence of institutional racism. Your entire plight stands or falls on that evidence or lack thereof.

And that's where things get tricky. You name the disproportionate amount of African Americans in jail and you call that the proof of institutional racism. I ask you instead to first proof that the system of judicial court is racist. Proof to me that those blacks in prison are innocent. If you can't, then they are there for a reason. You may tell me they are there because they can't pay for proper defense, and I would agree and say that poor people have the odds stacked against them. But that isn't racism.
Or you may show me some percentage of cops killing blacks. I will show you in return the disproportionate amount of blacks resisting arrests leading to said kills (without being unsympathetic to the fact there are, of course, racist cops out there). I'll also show you the crime statistics and point out how, per capita, African Americans rule the chart. I'll throw in 20 video clips from different chicago artists rapping about killing cops while pointing guns and gang signs at the camera, but just for shits and giggles.
I can go on and on. It's not that I don't want to see it! It has been shown to me, but critical thinking and research shows me that what has been presented to me as X isn't X at all. (People sometimes tell me it's ridiculous to add the following disclaimer, but I disagree: In my small circle of friends, 2 of them are black. I'm invited by one's family to stay in their family home in Rwanda next summer, even. I think it's important to mention in these discussions, just to show you're not talking with a xenophobe or racist.)

This isn't about slavery no more. This isn't about blacks not being allowed to marry whites. This isn't about women's rights. This is about very vague shit, to put it nicely. And this very vague shit is pounding a wedge -- boom, boom, boom -- right into the progress that was slowly but oh so steadily heading toward racial unity.

Southwest Fresno leaders criticize hiring of white teacher for Gaston school's cultural studies
Imagine how this would've exploded in the media (as it should have either way) if the critizisers were white and the teacher was black. These double standards gotta go. #stopracismpl0x

It doesn't matter that they're not innocent. Something in America leads to more black people in jail. Something.

And that something has to do with our institutions. Remember, the judiciary isn't our only institution. An institution is an established law, practice, or custom. Our culture is an institution.

So, either more black people end up in jail because the genes that make skin darker also make people more criminal, or there's something in our culture that leads to black people getting sent to jail. It doesn't matter if they're guilty, the question is why are they even ending up in this position? From there, you can discuss our laws against crack (highly recommend The House I Live In, a David Simon [of the wire] produced documentary) are racist, or how poor people get significantly more jail time for the same infractions and how black people are more likely to be poor, or how the media tends to cover black criminals and white criminals differently.

It doesn't matter that they're not innocent. Something in America leads to more black people in jail. Something.

And that something has to do with our institutions. Remember, the judiciary isn't our only institution. An institution is an established law, practice, or custom. Our culture is an institution.

So, either more black people end up in jail because the genes that make skin darker also make people more criminal, or there's something in our culture that leads to black people getting sent to jail.

From there, you can discuss our laws against crack (highly recommend The House I Live In, a David Simon [of the wire] produced documentary) are racist, or how poor people get significantly more jail time for the same infractions and how black people are more likely to be poor,

or how the media tends to cover black criminals and white criminals differently.