shihonage wrote on Nov 10, 2015, 19:37:
Hey, you figured out I have issues with Bethesda's take on Fallout. Congratulations.

Wasteland 2 is just a mediocre squad shooter. No real world-building or story to hold it together, the whole thing is a giant gimmick.

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Perhaps your inability to discern between genres is not merely a symptom of your own mental deficiency, but just a sign of the times where all genres are grinded together for profitability and robbed of their individual edge.

Case in point: Fallout 4, an alleged "ar-pee-gee", which is really an FPS.

(INT check failure) Oh no, he started with the hurty Bethesda words again, better stop reading this post now. Bad words hurt head. Bad man, go away.

An RPG elitist! I appreciate your neckbeard is long, unwashed, and dusted orange with sacred cheetos, may your parents basement be everdark and foreboding to the profane sunlight and social graces of in-person human contact. The original Fallouts were great isometric games in their time, and that time has passed: go back and enjoy them, otherwise don't play these new iterations if they have sullied your perfect memories. Times change and things change with it, except you, in your basement and your sour fantasies.

I don't load the different versions, it takes way too long to download. The only milestones where I'll attempt to play are: persistent universe, star marine, or one of my ships becomes flyable. Otherwise you load up into a flight sim and die immediately, as some guy plays 24/7 to justify hit HOTAS and make-believe cockpit, to live out his fighter-ace fantasies.

DangerDog wrote on Oct 20, 2015, 23:02:

Hark659 wrote on Oct 20, 2015, 21:42:
I really like to have the game but the price tag $149.99 is a big NOPE! I find the game somewhat lacking features. It's just a same feeling as other typical Battlefields game and $10 extra for 2 emotes which made me think that EA probably cut off many things and turn the game into micro-transaction and many more DLC (like Sims). Fuck you EA big time for ruining a good gaming experience by eliminating lots of shit. I miss the old time

Get the game from green man gaming for $45, don't invest in the DLC unless oh hey space battles or something.

GMGMID-SEASON-25PERC

Deal expires 27th of this month

I should have added this, I wouldnt have bought it full retail, I picked it up through GMG with this discount.

I had a good enough time to pre-order, the only caveat I have is that the last FPS I played multiplayer was TF2 and I'm only vaguely familiar with the mechanics of the current genre. It all seems fresh and new to me, other than some abuse of jetpacks and turrets on Hoth I enjoyed it. I only ever played in first-person, although there was a third-person mode? The vehicles controls didn't feel good, but I have no practice.

Kosumo wrote on Oct 20, 2015, 02:59:
Thanks for your reply, very well put, I agree with you in some ways but I also have a lot of fun poking the cultist.

Please feel free to post about the third way (middle ground, some other are already there) as often as you like. I'm all about more points of view (In this wasted first world topic )

P.S. I do like the Star Citizen threads, has do others or else they would not have so many post (although it's mostly a few posters (kxmode, myself, CJ Parker, jdreyer, theyarecomingforyou, ect) posting many times.) - I'm sure Blue know how many look at these post and weather it is wroth him posting them.

The middle way is pretty clear: there is no place for a reasoned discussion on Blues about this title the manic screaming from both sides drowns out anything else. Should anyone feel the need to check, I've already said I'm a backer, and I'm content to wait: I've spent plenty of money on Kickstarters, I don't spend more money than I am willing to lose freely on a venture with no guaranteed outcomes.

That said, the only reason I post about this topic on the site at all, is because the community is better than these shitposts and it's been a long enough time to be carrying on in this fashion, it's unproductive, hateful, and mean-spirited.

Sgt. Rock wrote on Oct 20, 2015, 15:15:

Citizen P wrote on Oct 20, 2015, 02:38:
You're either going to shit, or get off the pot: standing in the washroom complaining about the smell makes you look stupid, or it means you like it. Do you like it?

I'm still waiting for the toilet to be finished... The one I pledge $35 for in 2012.

If you're harping over $35 dollars you spent almost 4 years ago, you shouldn't be spending it on games that haven't been released and thoroughly reviewed by an audience you trust or friends you can rely on.

InBlack wrote on Oct 20, 2015, 04:17:

Citizen P wrote on Oct 20, 2015, 02:38:
Star Citizen posts are the daily hate around here. People come for these posts, not necessarily explicitly only for them, but with the full intention to commiserate with like-minded fellows and get a deep bitter draft of vitriol to the point of absolute parody. There is no objectively, just a deep loathing about a game that they are either paradoxically waiting to see if its good, have no interest in playing, or have already divested themselves of their previous donations. You're either going to shit, or get off the pot: standing in the washroom complaining about the smell makes you look stupid, or it means you like it. Do you like it?

Another blanket statement, look Krovven, this is the definition of taking a huge fucking dump one the entire Blues community. Something that arguably the founder of said community (and the members themselves) might take offense at.

Now an example of something that isn't a blanket statement: Fuck your blanket statements CitizenP, if you don't like it here go back to the hole you crawled out of!

Either you come to these threads for the residue of interesting conversation and critical discussion, or a lark, or you're here to spew your bile over something you can't decide you love to hate, or hate to love. This speaks nothing to the community here, but the select member who care to dine in the sty and behave like a pig.

Star Citizen posts are the daily hate around here. People come for these posts, not necessarily explicitly only for them, but with the full intention to commiserate with like-minded fellows and get a deep bitter draft of vitriol to the point of absolute parody. There is no objectively, just a deep loathing about a game that they are either paradoxically waiting to see if its good, have no interest in playing, or have already divested themselves of their previous donations. You're either going to shit, or get off the pot: standing in the washroom complaining about the smell makes you look stupid, or it means you like it. Do you like it?

Just imagine all the constructive things you could have done, instead of committing so wholeheartedly to loving or hating a game, that you have or have not paid for, that may or may not meet your expectations. The first world problems surrounding Star Citizen and this website is somewhere between mania and obsession. Good grief.

I have some important news, STOP WHAT YOU'RE DOING and PAY ATTENTION. A crowd-funded project has exceeded it's pledging goals by a factor of 50 and is having trouble keeping it's deadlines! They show evidence of work, but there is no final game. Are there any other details we can confirm?

DangerDog wrote on Oct 14, 2015, 21:02:
I can see them blocking off areas where people were able to get to but really shouldn't, up top around the ion cannon.

I imagine they'll also prevent imperials from using the rebel turrets, change the spawn points some and fix the issue where the speeder quicktime event can result in crashing into a rock, but that's about it.

I think contextually your ideas sound reasonable, however, once the map point is achieved it should flip over to Imperial or be destroyed. I play Kb/m never got the hang of flying, seemed very awkward, I assume I'll have training missions that I can fly and get a better handle on them.

37 Million? Is that Dr Evil estimate?

I bought it on GMG, I had a blast. Sometimes your team could be frustrating, but that's part of it. Only really played Hoth, I enjoyed both sides, any issues I had, had more to do with teammates that didn't appreciate the value of achieving map objectives over shooting from behind snowbanks and outcroppings.

I'm enjoying the beta as well, I haven't played a FPS in ages, and I'm having a blast. I find the Hoth scenario is balanced, I've seen the ATATs dropped by the mid-point multiple times, and 1 destroyed and the other severely wounded just as frequently. At the same time, I've seen the IMPs keep the Rebels boxed into their base, and the Y-wing strikes last for only a few moments. The longer the Rebels hold the flags to each check-point, the longer the Walkers are vulnerable: if the Imperials aren't destroying the radar-shaped map-guns, they are asking for trouble.

Foolish, extremely foolish. I imagine this done on behest of Bethsoft: It's 4-5 months before E3 and they want to see if the market is willing to pony-up the costs/drive a profit of making the modding of their games more accessible/lock out unauthorized modding if the slice of the pie is big enough: it's not like they losing anything except decades worth of goodwill - and extend lifespans for their games that they've been indirectly profiting from for years and years - all on the hardwork of modders: goodwill and indirect profiting is not going to pay for your cheap suits or your MBA.

I've always assumed the most bitter posters threw in money beyond their budget early into the Kickstarter, with big starry-eyed dreams of being visionary supporters of a nostalgic genre lost to the current market - as the fund-raising behemoth grew in size and strength, they became afraid. They were afraid that their overzealous spending was nothing more than a pinch of sand to a beach; and it was true, as the money came in and the scope increased their buy-in became less and less valuable, their vainglory contributions became hollow and frustrated. Too much success, too many features, that nostalgic dream of supporting something they wanted was gone. So what do you do as a jilted early supporter? You get jealous, you bitch, and you complain.

I bought the MISC Freelancer with physical delivery package when they offered a second chance at the Kickstarter and I bought the military variant when it came up. I guess I've spent $200 or so? All things considered, the only thing that bothers me about Star Citizen are people who dream bigger than their wallet - and come to bitterly regret, publicly and loudly, that Chris Roberts isn't reading their mind, or doing it the way they envisioned. I'm cool with it taking a long time, and I'm cool that my money is going to dream project - that may, or may not live up to my expectations. I spent money I could afford, on a gamble, that I can walk away from win or lose - with no regrets, and a possibility for something really awesome.

The reason I like Steam is that it presents titles from numerous studios - just like a B&M store. It doesn't stick the titles corporate doesn't like in the back with all the used titles in front, it also presents indie titles with equal measure, which a B&M store would never do.

EA is a publisher first: for the sake of not selling their games exclusively online, they have a few titles that they didn't make, and so they can't be called out for boycotting - they also sell online in smaller stores.

Anyone can read between the lines and the line: each publisher having their own store, their almost exclusive store, is bad for customers. People may defend Steam for reasons that aren't entirely rational - but there is good reason to express financial displeasure for these antics.

If you want a rallying call for an alternative to Steam, by all means you have my support. Only a company that is willing to give everyone reasonable selling-space, at reasonable costs should be considered. In my opinion, EA, Actibliz or UBI have no ability to do this - their shareholders won't allow it.

After years of lurking, I feel obligated to create an account:

I'm going to refer to Interplay as Herve, because Herve and his lawyer, were the only two employees of Interplay at the time of the selling the IP.

They whored out the IP of Fallout to create Fallout: Tactics, an at best, mediocre title. And the last title they made using the IP was Brotherhood of Steel, some horribly bad FPS knock-off. All in the name of playing to what was popular, to try and turn a buck. Deciding to cancel Fallout 3, being made by Black Isle.

The Fallout IP was shit, because it had been run into the ground and whored out. What Herve and his lawyer wanted, was to sell the MMO rights of Fallout - on the grounds it would be successful as the brand-new World of Warcraft: and that by proxy, since Fallout and Warcraft were both popular and almost the same age, was worth piles of money.

Having fired and not paid the remaining developers they had working for them and having already skipped paying for the offices for Interplay. Herve wasn't really in any position to argue about anything.

Beth, said, we aren't paying you shit for the MMO license at a gross exaggerated figure: but we will buy the entire IP and you will thank us. While Herve is require to find investments of 40 million to preserve the integrity of the MMO license if he chose to develop it to preserve what little integrity is left in this IP and not ruin Beth's new purchase.

Fallout 3 becomes insanely popular. Herve sells stuff he wasn't suppose to (ie. the old versions of Fallout that still existed, and then sold the rights for online distribution that got him into legal trouble). Now, this greedy little prick is using the efforts of Beth to try and line his pockets with all this bullshit, all on the coattails of Bethsoft and their efforts. And naturally, any two-bit lawyer can taste the blood in the water and are more than happy to leech onto Herve's cause for a nice fat cut of the money.

Wipe out Interplay.

I wanted Troika to get the license, not Beth.