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News Comments > Morning Legal Briefs
52. Re: Morning Legal Briefs Nov 21, 2016, 21:10 BobBob
 
Cutter wrote on Nov 21, 2016, 19:46:
Some of you are massively overreaching here. This isn't about college vs. blue collar because even the white collar is finally getting F'd in the A and they've had it too. The GOP has to make good on a lot of this stuff because it's their last kick at the can. This wasn't a pro-Trump vote, it was anti-establishment. Kill the TPP and NAFTA, bring back fair trade and end free trade. Even the dumbest republican understands that, more than anything else, is key to their survival. If it doesn't happen the GOP will be fucking crucified. If the Dems were so smart they should have went with Bernie.

This profound analysis and insight is coming straight to us from the great igloo think-tank.

Believe it or not, there really is a major cultural divide between the college educated and non college educated -- in how they think, believe, behave, and interact socially - not only reflected in the outcome of this election, but I've had firsthand experience while traveling extensively amongst the states for business and pleasure. I should write a book about it.

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45. Re: Morning Mobilization Nov 21, 2016, 18:34 BobBob
 
Scottish Martial Arts wrote on Nov 21, 2016, 18:15:
unfortunately wrote on Nov 21, 2016, 17:35:
Good thing would-be's like yourself don't have any real influence. Have you read Madison/Federalist Papers? Do you know what 'tyranny of the majority' is? What the role of the Electoral College is re:same? Or would you like to abrogate well-considered protections simply because you don't favor the result of an election? The daily wall of self-proclaimed pol expert posts on this site is laughable. You may look into some humility- if you do so constructively, perhaps we'll see less pretentious pol narrative nonsense on this gaming website.


Ironic that you would cite Madison and the Federalist Papers considering that the therein stated purpose of the Electoral College was to safeguard the republic from the people choosing a demagogue or foreign pawn as their leader. By letting Electors, themselves chosen by state legislatures, choose the President, wiser and cooler heads would be allowed to prevail over an impassioned yet misguided majority. The Framers wanted the people to have a voice, but not too much of a voice, lest too much democracy lead to a democratic government tearing itself apart, as it had in the past.

The Electoral College as it exists today is a bit of an oddity, because the system has evolved such that the Electors are no longer the wiser men selected by state legislatures, but simple partisan loyalists, performing a purely ceremonial function, selected by the outcome of 50 separate statewide contests. In effect, we no longer have the safeguards against an unfit leader assuming the Presidency -- otherwise we'd be hearing a lot more about Electors planning to deny Trump a majority so that the Presidency will go to the House for selection of a more mainstream GOP politician -- and yet we don't have a purely democratic system either, as evidenced by Clinton's 1.6 million, and growing, lead in the nationwide popular vote.

I say if we're going to have an Electoral College, go all in and return Elector selection to the state legislatures. That would keep the Presidency in GOP hands for the foreseeable future, but on the other hand it would keep an incompetent demagogue from ever assuming the highest office. We'd also likely see much shorter and less expensive campaigns, since the "campaign" would mostly occur entirely inside state legislatures.

The Framers were terrified that the people couldn't be trusted to govern themselves responsibly; 2016 and Donald Trump seem to have proven them right.

The argument over popular vote vs. electroral college is simply a matter of coincidence and convenience. If she lost the popular vote some other argument would be made to euphemistically call out the system as "rigged" or "unfair".

Basically, the main difference in this election came down to fewer college educated vs a majority of uneducated voters - with exceptions of opportunism - influencing the electoral college result. The "college educated" are to blame for isolating themselves and 'acting elitist' over the "uneducated" instead of feeling an obligation to listen to the concerns and pleas of the 'uneducated' and help bring them up to intellectual equality.

Of course, some will argue that a college education is merely a type of liberal indoctrination, which has some validity, but for the most part it's a process of learning and sharing authenticated knowledge and developing advanced thinking skills.

We - the college educated - have ourselves to blame. But will we learn to change our methods? Will we learn to reach out and listen with open minds and humility - to teach and include everyone - no matter how much emotional struggle is involved and how much intellectual tolerance it takes?

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News Comments > Morning Legal Briefs
42. Re: Morning Legal Briefs Nov 21, 2016, 18:18 BobBob
 
I can feel the normalization coming. Or I'm tired of feeling shocked, scared, and hopeless. I guess I'll just hope the California political forcefield can protect us for 4 years ... or more.  
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News Comments > Out of the Blue
24. Re: Out of the Blue Nov 17, 2016, 18:25 BobBob
 
http://m.democracynow.org/stories/16836

 
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News Comments > Out of the Blue
23. Re: Out of the Blue Nov 17, 2016, 17:49 BobBob
 
Hmm...

Perhaps I have an overactive imagination, or others have observed something similar happening in their own neighborhoods.

I bike ride around a lot. One city that I pass through has an area with large patches of sandy beach next to a pier. It's a busy place. People stroll the walkways, fish with poles, shop at the gift stores, dine at the restaurants, and play games in the arcade. It's almost always packed with Hispanic families - grandparents, parents, and their kids - swimming in the water, sunbathing, laughing, playing, and running around.

Post election results:

I swear I've not seen a single Hispanic family.

It's eerie.



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News Comments > Out of the Blue
9. Re: Out of the Blue Nov 17, 2016, 12:14 BobBob
 
Acleacius wrote on Nov 17, 2016, 10:51:
Sounds like your being serious, so I'll try to answer in one sentence.

'The Republican Party Has Become the Most Dangerous Organization in World History' Chomsky

I'm not sure if you meant to post a link, but here is the full text:

http://m.democracynow.org/stories/16219

It's an interesting read. Thumbsup
 
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News Comments > Out of the Blue
7. Re: Out of the Blue Nov 17, 2016, 11:30 BobBob
 
As always, lots of information sharing, thoughtful insights, and well-written replies. Keep them coming. Thumbsup

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News Comments > Out of the Blue
3. Re: Out of the Blue Nov 17, 2016, 10:41 BobBob
 
I respect the intellectualism here more than any other online discussion forum.

Here are some questions:

Is this new administration going to suppress civil liberties? Will its ideology and staff choices be an enabler for hate groups and extremist individuals to discriminate against people with disabilities, LGBTQ, women, and minorities? Will it normalize acts of bullying? Will it reverse years of climate change policy? Will it cooperate with known oppressive governments? Or are most of these published articles and debates a bunch of hype brought about by major news and media outlets to increase ratings?

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News Comments > Out of the Blue
22. Re: Out of the Blue Nov 17, 2016, 10:18 BobBob
 
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News Comments > Out of the Blue
65. Re: Out of the Blue Nov 15, 2016, 20:54 BobBob
 
Mr. Tact wrote on Nov 15, 2016, 20:38:
Beamer wrote on Nov 15, 2016, 14:11:
If it required a foreign language, it was a BA, not a BS - many schools offer both options for CS. And this isn't a bad thing. Being able to demonstrate language proficiency is becoming increasingly important in nearly all fields.
You'd think so -- but no. It was a BS, hence the stupidity. And I disagree that being proficient in a second language is important or necessary for most careers. And frankly, my brain just isn't wired for it. Tried in HS and college and it WOULD NOT TAKE.

Your written English is quite eloquent. Thumbsup
 
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News Comments > Out of the Blue
60. Re: Out of the Blue Nov 15, 2016, 10:59 BobBob
 
Mr. Tact wrote on Nov 15, 2016, 09:30:
Oh and for the record, my personal belief is a four year degree is over valued for most career paths. For specific careers, yes it is really needed -- for say, civil engineers or medical careers. But for decades I have considered 4 year degrees as simply "proof" you can push your way through bullshit to achieve a goal. For a large majority of careers nothing you learn in school is really applicable.


There is much more to higher education than simply choosing a career path or developing job skills. There is mind expansion and enlightenment, and the ability of higher education to teach a person new facts, theories, and new methodologies on how to think. While an individual's mental growth and response will vary, the impact on society as whole is noticeable and dramatic in the way an individual interacts with others to create laws and institutions, express and tolerate diverse ways of thinking, innovate and collaborate, and most importantly, to have objective conversations that are well informed, skeptical, open-minded, and analytical.

Imagine a person lives with a tribe in a dense forest. He's never explored outside a given parameter, has always participated in the same rituals and customs - knowing only the shared beliefs of the tribe - and has never encountered civilization's technology, laws, culture, science, philosophy, mathematics, different customs and beliefs, and new ways of thinking. Perhaps not as extreme, a similar situation can be observed with a person who lives in a small rural town, without a higher education, and has not been exposed to much urban diversity.

Until we push for higher education that is all inclusive, and give everyone the opportunity (how it gets paid for is up for debate), we will never make any progress. As to jobs, if it's not out sourcing, it'll be automation or some kind of advanced technology, and if it's not technology it will be lack of consumer demand or changing trends. Either way, a higher education is the key to obtain the skills needed to transfer and expand horizons, and it gives an individual the knowledge and tools to think and innovate, and master a fundamental skill - the ability to question everything in the universe in a logical, methodical, collaborative, expansive, and skeptical manner. Higher education for everyone should be one of society's primary agendas.

/speech

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News Comments > Out of the Blue
52. Re: Morning Mobilization Nov 14, 2016, 18:44 BobBob
 
Fine, I'll ask. Who here has a college degree?

*Raises Hand*
 
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News Comments > Out of the Blue
48. Re: Out of the Blue Nov 14, 2016, 14:57 BobBob
 
jdreyer wrote on Nov 14, 2016, 14:44:
I appreciate this forum so much. In this extremely emotional time we are able to come together and be civilized with each other and try and work through what is happening.

On the one hand I agree with Bats that I don't think that things will be as bad as Trump was promising during the campaign. He's already walking partially back some of the more execrable of his promises like the wall and deporting all 11M undocs. On the other hand minorities will face more difficulties than they did under Obama for sure. That's scary.

Trump talked during the campaign of a rigged system and not accepting the results if he lost. At the time I didn't worry too much because as the loser he wouldn't be in any position to do very much. However in 4 years when he loses his bid for a second term he could actually cause a crisis by refusing to accept the results. He'll be president and have all the power of the office to oppose the outcome.

I feel like I was living in a happy - albeit imperfect - fairy tale dreamworld for the past 8 years - focused on day to day life, ambitions, goals, aspirations for the future, and caring about loved ones - but now I've awaken to a nightmare. I have this deep sense of dread in the pit of my stomach. When I go outside, my senses observe everything around me as perfectly normal, but my mind, my intuition, my soul, and my complete sense of well-being dwells in an indefinable state of fear.



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News Comments > Out of the Blue
43. Re: Morning Mobilization Nov 14, 2016, 10:22 BobBob
 
Scottish Martial Arts wrote on Nov 14, 2016, 09:37:
Further, we have suggested that perhaps your credulity stems in some small part from the fact that as a middle-aged straight white dude.

Interesting, I share the same demographic, yet I am horrified by the prospects.

However ...

I also have 3 college degrees and live on the West Coast.

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News Comments > Out of the Blue
9. Re: Out of the Blue Nov 12, 2016, 15:20 BobBob
 
Dacote wrote on Nov 12, 2016, 14:45:
BobBob wrote on Nov 12, 2016, 14:24:
Watching protests on the news. I find the popular vote argument questionable. Are the popular vote excess #s based on states he won or she won? For instance, imagine each state has 2 small buckets (one red, one blue) and a large bucket which both small buckets pour into when they cease filling up. Once the large bucket is filled up, one color dominates and that sets the electoral vote for a state - meaning if a state turns turns red or blue. Popular vote matters because we measure the spill over of the large buckets. The big question - is the 'blue' popular vote - spill over - coming from both red and blue states or is it primarily coming from blue states? The question is important because I believe it can clarify or demystify state level cultural divides, the validity of electoral college vs popular vote, and help us understand fundamental differences in regional representations.
Not sure i understand your question, but if you google 2016 election results it has a nice interactive chart and you can look at individual states.

Is her popular vote win exclusively blue states or also red states?
 
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News Comments > Out of the Blue
5. Re: Out of the Blue Nov 12, 2016, 14:24 BobBob
 
Watching protests on the news. I find the popular vote argument questionable. Are the popular vote excess #s based on states he won or she won? For instance, imagine each state has 2 small buckets (one red, one blue) and a large bucket which both small buckets pour into when they cease filling up. Once the large bucket is filled up, one color dominates and that sets the electoral vote for a state - meaning if a state turns turns red or blue. Popular vote matters because we measure the spill over of the large buckets. The big question - is the 'blue' popular vote - spill over - coming from both red and blue states or is it primarily coming from blue states? The question is important because I believe it can clarify or demystify state level cultural divides, the validity of electoral college vs popular vote, and help us understand fundamental differences in regional representations.  
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News Comments > Out of the Blue
189. Re: Out of the Blue Nov 11, 2016, 18:14 BobBob
 
I wonder what the government of California will do to protect us when the new fed pulls funding and attempts to deport millions of people living in our state.  
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News Comments > Out of the Blue
180. Re: Out of the Blue Nov 11, 2016, 09:47 BobBob
 
Mad Max RW wrote on Nov 11, 2016, 09:21:

Glenn Beck called, he wants his rhetoric back.

Nice attempt to discredit what I'm saying by associating my speculation with a political commentator who I never listen to.

The evidence is speaking for itself:

http://tinyurl.com/jc2fzaf

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zDIBvNZRiuc

http://tinyurl.com/hsg9bdt

http://tinyurl.com/jalu4mh

Sad and terrifying, this is only the beginning.

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News Comments > Out of the Blue
177. Re: Out of the Blue Nov 11, 2016, 09:15 BobBob
 
When you get tired of being oppressed by the new regime ruled by Herr Trump, and his brown shirts rampaging through the streets, and public schools and daily life threatened by gangs of racists and ultra right wing reactionaries that have crawled out of hiding -- emboldened, empowered, and validated by the new angry and hateful administration - let me know when you seek sanctuary. We will welcome you in our refuge of freedom, tolerance, and diversity, known as California.

What truly scares me the #%%# out of me is that I might not be joking.

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News Comments > Out of the Blue
40. Re: Out of the Blue Nov 10, 2016, 21:53 BobBob
 
Creston wrote on Nov 10, 2016, 21:33:
A BEEEEELION!! 'Grats Blue!

No like or thumbs up feature here, so quoting Creston to share the same sentiment. Thumbsup
 
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