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Signed On Jul 30, 2009, 05:12
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News Comments > Out of the Blue
24. Re: Out of the Blue Jan 15, 2018, 17:54 BobBob
 
Sepharo wrote on Jan 15, 2018, 17:49:
BobBob wrote on Jan 15, 2018, 17:45:
Sepharo wrote on Jan 15, 2018, 17:42:
BobBob wrote on Jan 15, 2018, 17:33:
Sepharo wrote on Jan 15, 2018, 17:30:
BobBob wrote on Jan 15, 2018, 17:17:
My question abridged: Is it possible to have a 'peaceful protest or march' without threats of violence?
Yes.
How?

You did not address the underlying philosophical question.

I guess I'm missing the underlying philosophical question. It looked to me like you were asking if a 'peaceable protest or march' was possible without violence. It definitely is. What am I missing?

Are you asking if the source of the threatened violence is important? Yes, if the protesters are threatening the violence, well then it's not constitutionally protected... But if the protesters are being threatened with violence for protesting, if the state does not protect them from that violence, their civil rights have been violated.

Well. Without some sort of protection or security, how does a peaceful protest remain secure and peaceful?

Try reading my second paragraph again. Violence against a peaceful protest doesn't make the protest not peaceful, at least not in the context of civil rights. You're getting stuck on some semantics.

Correct me if I'm wrong: You make a distinction between actual violence vs. potential violence. And you make a distinction between violence that is illegal vs. that which is legal and defensible.

Also, say X marches are getting attacked by Y opponents. If Z security attacks Y opponents, is that violence or something else?
 
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22. Re: Out of the Blue Jan 15, 2018, 17:45 BobBob
 
Sepharo wrote on Jan 15, 2018, 17:42:
BobBob wrote on Jan 15, 2018, 17:33:
Sepharo wrote on Jan 15, 2018, 17:30:
BobBob wrote on Jan 15, 2018, 17:17:
My question abridged: Is it possible to have a 'peaceful protest or march' without threats of violence?
Yes.
How?

You did not address the underlying philosophical question.

I guess I'm missing the underlying philosophical question. It looked to me like you were asking if a 'peaceable protest or march' was possible without violence. It definitely is. What am I missing?

Are you asking if the source of the threatened violence is important? Yes, if the protesters are threatening the violence, well then it's not constitutionally protected... But if the protesters are being threatened with violence for protesting, if the state does not protect them from that violence, their civil rights have been violated.

Well. It's a matter of conversation over the meanings of the words. Let me ask this: Without some sort of protection or security, how does a peaceful protest remain secure and peaceful? For instance, can a group of people assemble and march - even if the opposition is standing at the sidelines threatening them or yelling at them - and continue without security?

Let's define the security .. Law enforcement or security guards with guns, mace, tasers, or batons ... all of which are instruments of violence.
 
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20. Re: Out of the Blue Jan 15, 2018, 17:33 BobBob
 
Sepharo wrote on Jan 15, 2018, 17:30:
BobBob wrote on Jan 15, 2018, 17:17:
My question abridged: Is it possible to have a 'peaceful protest or march' without threats of violence?

Yes.

How?

 
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18. Re: Out of the Blue Jan 15, 2018, 17:29 BobBob
 
Cutter wrote on Jan 15, 2018, 17:18:
If people think it can't get worse than Trump they're dead wrong. And it's the elites both left and right that only have themselves to blame for it. Between the right trying to steal everything not nailed down and the left trying to forcibly shove PC bullshit down everyone else's throats something has to give. We saw the beginning of that sort of reaction with the assholes at G20 summits. Then Occupy. Then Trump. And it will continue. Yes those first two things don't line up with Trump but they're indicative of an unfolding pattern. Of history repeating itself. Study enough history and you've seen this played out a 1000 times before and you know exactly where it's headed and where it will end.

Post hoc ergo propter hoc
 
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15. Re: Out of the Blue Jan 15, 2018, 17:17 BobBob
 
Sepharo wrote on Jan 15, 2018, 17:06:
BobBob wrote on Jan 15, 2018, 16:41:
I'm as liberal as they come, but I have questions about marches and protests.

Would the peace marches have gotten far without the National Guard to back them up? Is a march peaceful if it has an armed military escort? Hence.. there is a reactive threat of potential violence. Would the marches have been as successful without federal intervention?

This sure does skip over a lot of history and nuance as to why those marches needed LBJ to protect them with the National Guard.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Selma_to_Montgomery_marches


The National Guard being there (on the third march attempt) was a very important part of it. State governments repeatedly and purposefully failed to protect the civil rights of their citizens (and in fact violated them using violence), so the federal government stepped in. It was a turning point because it meant the status quo was no longer acceptable, that the U.S. government would actively protect and advocate for civil rights to be upheld.

My question abridged: Is it possible to have a 'peaceful protest or march' without threats of violence?

First Amendment states: "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances."

But is the word "peaceably" a misnomer?
 
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12. Re: Out of the Blue Jan 15, 2018, 16:41 BobBob
 
I'm as liberal as they come, but I have questions about marches and protests.

Would the peace marches have gotten far without the National Guard to back them up? Is a march peaceful if it has an armed military escort? Hence.. there is a reactive threat of potential violence. Would the marches have been as successful without federal intervention?

This comment was edited on Jan 15, 2018, 17:20.
 
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6. Re: Out of the Blue Jan 14, 2018, 18:13 BobBob
 
Damn Santa Winds .. 80 degrees .. hot and dry. Anxious  
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News Comments > Morning Mobilization
2. Re: Morning Mobilization Jan 11, 2018, 12:23 BobBob
 
Lots more tinfoil hat gimmick "features" on the way for mass consumption. Fear is a never ending demand for which a supply is plenty.  
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5. Re: Out of the Blue Jan 11, 2018, 12:17 BobBob
 
Happy Birthday Ant!  
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News Comments > Morning Tech Bits
8. Re: Morning Tech Bits Jan 10, 2018, 14:13 BobBob
 
Cutter wrote on Jan 10, 2018, 13:37:
Creston wrote on Jan 10, 2018, 13:04:
My wife would probably pay 16K for a laundry folding and sorting robot...

You don't do laundry? Shit I've been doing mine since I was 12 years old.

No one wants to wash someone else's poopy pants.
 
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3. Re: Morning Tech Bits Jan 10, 2018, 11:37 BobBob
 
One word which summarizes CES 2018.  
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30. Re: Out of the Blue Jan 9, 2018, 13:10 BobBob
 
Happy Birthday Frans!  
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21. Re: Out of the Blue Jan 8, 2018, 15:38 BobBob
 
Beamer wrote on Jan 8, 2018, 07:37:
1badmf wrote on Jan 8, 2018, 03:01:
BobBob wrote on Jan 8, 2018, 00:31:
Walking the dog today, and I encountered two assholes flying their remote control planes on our ocean cliffs and trying to hit a pelican! What the fuck is wrong with people!?!?? Called our PD and in a couple of minutes they responded.

What kind of deranged, sick, disgusting, idiotic, morons would want to hit a pelican? Angry

I'm so ashamed to be a member of the human race.

maybe i'm just being a grumpy old codger but i swear the amount of dumbass kids are on the rise. millennials with their gotta-have-it-now look-at-me culture, they're practically raised to be sociopaths.

Considering he never said how old they were, and that every generation has done awful things to animals (and still does), yes, you sound like a grumpy old codger. The same type that was probably furious when people called Generation X a bunch of stoner slackers who would never amount to anything and had everything handed to them.

I'm guessing late 20s to early 30s. I was walking my dog. If I were alone I'd probably confront them, though if I did that they'd get off the hook because we'd argue / fight and they wouldn't get in trouble. Calling the police was the best solution, I think.

Anyhow ... it's going to take me a few days to get over this. For some reason when I witness nature or (attempted) animal abuse, something in my brain won't let it go.
 
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14. Re: Out of the Blue Jan 8, 2018, 00:31 BobBob
 
Walking the dog today, and I encountered two assholes flying their remote control planes on our ocean cliffs and trying to hit a pelican! What the fuck is wrong with people!?!?? Called our PD and in a couple of minutes they responded.

What kind of deranged, sick, disgusting, idiotic, morons would want to hit a pelican? Angry

I'm so ashamed to be a member of the human race.
 
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19. Re: Out of the Blue Jan 5, 2018, 17:41 BobBob
 
Play: Little Big Snake.
Stories: Penis-Whitening Laser Procedure Goes Viral in Thailand.

I'm immature enough to find that headline combination funny.
 
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News Comments > Morning Tech Bits
4. Re: Why Artificial Intelligence Is Not Like Your Brain—Yet. Jan 3, 2018, 16:52 BobBob
 
Scottish Martial Arts wrote on Jan 3, 2018, 13:41:
BobBob wrote on Jan 3, 2018, 12:52:
Article's author completely missed breakthroughs in quantum computing.

What does that have to do with the articles point? The most effective AI technology we have today is the deep learning computational graph. It consists of a graph representation of a system of linear equations that optimizes its coefficients when trained on input so as to achieve optimal performance when generating regression or classification output.This is the same thing as a so called “neural net”. One is a description of a mathematical model. The other is a marketing term. Neither resemble the human brain, quantum computer or not.

Well, that depends on how you look at it, or not.
 
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1. Re: Why Artificial Intelligence Is Not Like Your Brain—Yet. Jan 3, 2018, 12:52 BobBob
 
Article's author completely missed breakthroughs in quantum computing.  
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News Comments > Morning Metaverse
13. Re: Morning Metaverse Jan 2, 2018, 17:15 BobBob
 
DarkV wrote on Jan 2, 2018, 17:07:
RedEye9 wrote on Jan 2, 2018, 15:58:
BobBob wrote on Jan 2, 2018, 15:38:
VaranDragon wrote on Jan 2, 2018, 15:33:
BobBob wrote on Jan 2, 2018, 15:13:
BIGtrouble77 wrote on Jan 2, 2018, 13:52:
My son had the neighborhood kids over for a sleep over (5 8-9 year olds). They all got on their iPads and started watching "savage" Jake Paul videos.

They can play video games into the wee hours of the morning, they can eat junk food, they can binge watch Sponge Bob, but there's no way in hell this Youtube filth or his brother are polluting these kids heads when they're in my house.

Why not encourage them to read books and learn? Book

Did that work on you when you were a kid?

Yes. Thumbsup
When you were a kid did you have a smart phone, computer, dvd player, netflix, roku, tablet, internet?

No, you didn't.

No some of us didn't have those things. What we did have were parents that parented.

Yep. If I wanted something, I had to work for it. I was told to cut the neighbor's lawn or help someone and earn it. I was envious that other kids got free stuff all the time and I had to always work for it. My father was strict on that policy. But I believe it made me ambitious and value money.
 
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10. Re: Morning Metaverse Jan 2, 2018, 15:38 BobBob
 
VaranDragon wrote on Jan 2, 2018, 15:33:
BobBob wrote on Jan 2, 2018, 15:13:
BIGtrouble77 wrote on Jan 2, 2018, 13:52:
My son had the neighborhood kids over for a sleep over (5 8-9 year olds). They all got on their iPads and started watching "savage" Jake Paul videos.

They can play video games into the wee hours of the morning, they can eat junk food, they can binge watch Sponge Bob, but there's no way in hell this Youtube filth or his brother are polluting these kids heads when they're in my house.

Why not encourage them to read books and learn? Book

Did that work on you when you were a kid?

Yes. Thumbsup
 
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8. Re: Morning Metaverse Jan 2, 2018, 15:13 BobBob
 
BIGtrouble77 wrote on Jan 2, 2018, 13:52:
My son had the neighborhood kids over for a sleep over (5 8-9 year olds). They all got on their iPads and started watching "savage" Jake Paul videos.

They can play video games into the wee hours of the morning, they can eat junk food, they can binge watch Sponge Bob, but there's no way in hell this Youtube filth or his brother are polluting these kids heads when they're in my house.

Why not encourage them to read books and learn? Book
 
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