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News Comments > Out of the Blue
38. Re: Out of the Blue Jan 17, 2017, 12:13 BobBob
 
Mr. Tact wrote on Jan 17, 2017, 12:03:
One good super flu could fix things for us... I mean if 50% of the population was wiped out there would be plenty of resources for everyone. Yes, I am kidding. Sort of...

Space exploration could solve that .. colonization on other planets.

Here's an interesting TV episode on 'what if' the world's population were smaller.

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3. Re: Out of the Blue Jan 17, 2017, 11:39 BobBob
 
Speaking of rodents ...

Has anyone see this movie or its sequel?
 
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36. Re: Out of the Blue Jan 17, 2017, 11:26 BobBob
 
We haven't 'nothin' yet. Once AI gets more sophisticated to the point of replacing highly skilled professions - like doctors and engineers - and robots will perform perfect human tasks - the joblessness, homelessness, and amount of people in and below poverty will skyrocket, which in turn will drastically spike property crime, petty theft, and black-markets. Unless, of course, the economy is drastically altered to accommodate for these impending waves of human obsolescence with a 're-educate, re-employ, public salary' system, whereby it's compulsory for local, state, or federal government to intervene.  
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21. Re: WWIII Jan 16, 2017, 18:49 BobBob
 
Mr. Tact wrote on Jan 16, 2017, 18:19:
Beamer wrote on Jan 16, 2017, 16:47:
And it all stems back to Reagan's tax cuts. Middle class grew when the upper class was heavily taxed, has shrunk back to where it was in the 30s when those taxes were drastically reduced.

I keep beating that horse, yet some people still refuse to admit there's a very direct correlation between how much those at the top are allowed to keep and how much everyone else takes home.
I'd love to know if this is really true. Unfortunately, economics being the voodoo occupation it is -- there are Nobel Prize winning economists who will argue opposite sides of this issue. Or any other economic issue as far as that goes. And since there is no way to empirically prove anything but the most basic economic theory, we'll never know. Hell, they can't even agree if the New Deal helped to end or extended the Depression -- and that was over 80 years ago.

Well it's debatable if the New Deal made any difference, and whether or not it was simply the massive infrastructural spending of WW2 that turned the economy around - govt acting as a business - see Keynesian economics. That doesn't mean we need to be in a war to accomplish the same. Something similar can probably be done by having an organized and actionable plan to repair the nation's various types of infrastructure, but with a focus on hiring locals and contracting with domestic businesses, etc.

Yah, I know it sounds like I'm a supporter, but I figure since he's going to be in office we should encourage 'good ideas' - instead of constantly whining and squabbling about our differences.

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15. Re: Out of the Blue Jan 16, 2017, 16:00 BobBob
 
eRe4s3r wrote on Jan 16, 2017, 10:49:
[8 men (yes, all of them MEN) have more wealth than combined 3.6 billion, those 8 sure are very equal among themselves...

And yet people keep buying their products and/or services.
 
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3. Re: Out of the Blue Dec 21, 2016, 13:02 BobBob
 
Well, it was 72 yesterday, but now it's back down to the mid-60s. I hate when it's below 70. My arthritis is killing me.  
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2. Re: Out of the Blue Dec 6, 2016, 11:12 BobBob
 
Definitely winter here. Mid to low 60's. Had to wear a long sleeve shirt the other day.  
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96. Re: Morning Legal Briefs Nov 23, 2016, 13:39 BobBob
 
Mad Max RW wrote on Nov 23, 2016, 13:15:
BobBob wrote on Nov 23, 2016, 12:57:

I'm not referring to blatant bigots or xenophobes, but I noticed commonly there are groups of people who are close-minded and dogmatically attached to restrictive
viewpoints, traditions, and attitudes with only a home education based on stereotypes and misconceptions vs first hand experience with other cultures and having a higher education - empathy, knowledge, and understanding.

I realize I'm speaking in vague generalizations, but if were sitting down and having s conversation, I could provide detailed accounts of experiences and interactions to back up my claims, ex: personal encounters to over hearing conversations to observing behaviors in public and private.

You find that everywhere, though. You're pushing the false narrative that a large section of the country has a monopoly on being closed minded, which simply isn't true. You will find people like that in each and every state. You'll even find it in the supposed utopia that is Canada. People are just as racist there as they are in the US. An invisible line doesn't suddenly make the majority on one side of it full of hate for people they don't know. And that's precisely what you did by mentioning the Midwest/South. Welcome to the human race. Those with different views aren't automatically closed-minded. It's so much easier to do that than doing the hard thing like getting to know people. But hey, that's why people hang out here and on Twitter and facebook and bitch.


There is always a variety but there is mostly a predominance of belief - homogeneous vs heterogeneous thinking. I encourage anyone who voted for Hillary or Bernie to travel and spend time interacting with people in the "rust belt". It'll help chip away the elitism and hopefully build a sense of empathy, and to see the necessity in bringing higher education to everyone.

For instance, bring manufacturing back to the USA. Non college person reaction - great we can work again! We can work at the factories. College educated reaction -- Wait, what about automation? The tech trend toward manufacturing is counter to the early industrial notion, the "division of labor" -- if anything single machines are able to replace multiple roles and this hasn't slowed down, it's sped up. Companies may bring back manufacturing to save export / import costs (and tariffs etc.), but cheap human labor is already being replaced by robots abroad - with plans to automate entire factories. How will that give you a job? How will you learn new skills?

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94. Re: Morning Legal Briefs Nov 23, 2016, 12:57 BobBob
 
Mad Max RW wrote on Nov 23, 2016, 12:44:
What mid western/southern states have you been to? Do you personally know anybody from those areas of the country? I've spent time and maintain friendships with people from every state and the most intolerant, hate-filled racist people are liberal Yalies living like royalty in New Haven while doing nothing to help the desperately poor neighborhoods barely a few blocks away. I dare anybody crying about living in a red state to come to Connecticut.

I've had personal and business relations (and discussions) with people ranging from California to New York to Texas to Wisconsin to Kentucky, the entire Sourh, etc. And traveled to and through many of the states.

I'm not referring to blatant bigots or xenophobes, but I noticed commonly there are groups of people who are close-minded and dogmatically attached to restrictive
viewpoints, traditions, and attitudes with only a home education based on stereotypes and misconceptions vs first hand experience with other cultures and having a higher education - empathy, knowledge, and understanding.

I realize I'm speaking in vague generalizations, but if we were sitting down and having a conversation, I could provide detailed accounts of experiences and interactions to back up my claims: personal encounters, over hearing conversations, and observing behaviors in public and private.

What's funny and scary, during this entire campaign I was explaining to my wife the thinking behind a typical Trump supporter, why and how he/she would react to news, celebrities, media, campaign promises, slogans, ideas, politicians, etc. -- so much denial, then, after the election results, and the shock, and scrambling to explain, it's as if I had a crystal ball, she kept noticing my observations were 100 % accurate, but all I did was simply observe and listen when I traveled.

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92. Re: Morning Legal Briefs Nov 23, 2016, 11:43 BobBob
 
Mad Max RW wrote on Nov 23, 2016, 08:54:
BobBob wrote on Nov 22, 2016, 17:52:
jdreyer wrote on Nov 22, 2016, 13:09:
HorrorScope wrote on Nov 22, 2016, 10:41:
jdreyer wrote on Nov 22, 2016, 04:37:
BobBob wrote on Nov 21, 2016, 18:18:
I can feel the normalization coming. Or I'm tired of feeling shocked, scared, and hopeless. I guess I'll just hope the California political forcefield can protect us for 4 years ... or more.

California is on the path to secession, so you'll have it made in the shade.

At this time it might as be the National Inquirer story, living there, there is next to no talk about this. There is a very small group that also has been wanting to split the state into 3 or 4 states. It makes good news at 11pm I suppose but it has no legs and imo that group is way out in front of the succession one. That said a east/west coast split as a test would be interesting.

These secession talks are just silly. It was stupid when TX talked of it after Obama's election, and it's just as stupid now with CA. No one is going anywhere.

Probably, but it's the only hope we can cling onto. Meanwhile, I'll just hide here on 'the hill' and pretend the rest of the world doesn't exist or whatever happens on news is like a post-apocalyptic movie - not really happening.

Please let California become its own country. I'm begging you. There will never be another Democratic president in our lifetime. And it would be illegal for Hollywood to donate millions of dollars to Dem candidates. Lovely idea, BobBob. I'm sure you thought it through.

Well, I enjoy the diversity and craziness here. It encourages free-thinking, individuality, learning, and tolerance. People here are multinational, celebrating their own culture and respecting and assimilating others. There is a general sense of a borderless humanity. There's no sense of "us vs. them." I had hoped our state represented the future and would be a leader in the idea of a "one humanity - many unique individuals" culture for the entire world. Unfortunately - especially based on this election - I can't say that's the same for many Mid-Western / Southern (rust belt) states who seem to be going in the complete opposite direction.

This old punk rock song summarizes it best:

Sink With California

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News Comments > Morning Legal Briefs
87. Re: Morning Mobilization Nov 22, 2016, 22:57 BobBob
 
Sanders hammered on Hillary non-stop until the end. Constantly accusing her of elitism and being a sell out to the corporations and banks - pretty much calling her crooked with a softened choice of words. He only turned 180 (in support of her) when he needed to be anti-Trump. Sander's anti-Hillary drum beating still resonates today. He basically handed over political ammunition to the Republican side and helped Trump win. He's as much to blame for Trump's massive support by the working class as is Hillary's complete alienation of them. But for some odd reason he's given a pass.

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82. Re: Morning Legal Briefs Nov 22, 2016, 17:52 BobBob
 
jdreyer wrote on Nov 22, 2016, 13:09:
HorrorScope wrote on Nov 22, 2016, 10:41:
jdreyer wrote on Nov 22, 2016, 04:37:
BobBob wrote on Nov 21, 2016, 18:18:
I can feel the normalization coming. Or I'm tired of feeling shocked, scared, and hopeless. I guess I'll just hope the California political forcefield can protect us for 4 years ... or more.

California is on the path to secession, so you'll have it made in the shade.

At this time it might as be the National Inquirer story, living there, there is next to no talk about this. There is a very small group that also has been wanting to split the state into 3 or 4 states. It makes good news at 11pm I suppose but it has no legs and imo that group is way out in front of the succession one. That said a east/west coast split as a test would be interesting.

These secession talks are just silly. It was stupid when TX talked of it after Obama's election, and it's just as stupid now with CA. No one is going anywhere.

Probably, but it's the only hope we can cling onto. Meanwhile, I'll just hide here on 'the hill' and pretend the rest of the world doesn't exist or whatever happens on news is like a post-apocalyptic movie - not really happening.
 
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70. Re: Morning Legal Briefs Nov 22, 2016, 12:12 BobBob
 
HorrorScope wrote on Nov 22, 2016, 11:26:
Some atrocity would have to happen.

Reaction vs. prevention? (Just wondering ...)
 
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67. Re: Morning Legal Briefs Nov 22, 2016, 11:09 BobBob
 
HorrorScope wrote on Nov 22, 2016, 10:41:
jdreyer wrote on Nov 22, 2016, 04:37:
BobBob wrote on Nov 21, 2016, 18:18:
I can feel the normalization coming. Or I'm tired of feeling shocked, scared, and hopeless. I guess I'll just hope the California political forcefield can protect us for 4 years ... or more.

California is on the path to secession, so you'll have it made in the shade.

At this time it might as be the National Inquirer story, living there, there is next to no talk about this. There is a very small group that also has been wanting to split the state into 3 or 4 states. It makes good news at 11pm I suppose but it has no legs and imo that group is way out in front of the succession one. That said a east/west coast split as a test would be interesting.

This just in ...

California secession initiative filed with Attorney General

Stunned
 
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52. Re: Morning Legal Briefs Nov 21, 2016, 21:10 BobBob
 
Cutter wrote on Nov 21, 2016, 19:46:
Some of you are massively overreaching here. This isn't about college vs. blue collar because even the white collar is finally getting F'd in the A and they've had it too. The GOP has to make good on a lot of this stuff because it's their last kick at the can. This wasn't a pro-Trump vote, it was anti-establishment. Kill the TPP and NAFTA, bring back fair trade and end free trade. Even the dumbest republican understands that, more than anything else, is key to their survival. If it doesn't happen the GOP will be fucking crucified. If the Dems were so smart they should have went with Bernie.

This profound analysis and insight is coming straight to us from the great igloo think-tank.

Believe it or not, there really is a major cultural divide between the college educated and non college educated -- in how they think, believe, behave, and interact socially - not only reflected in the outcome of this election, but I've had firsthand experience while traveling extensively amongst the states for business and pleasure. I should write a book about it.

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45. Re: Morning Mobilization Nov 21, 2016, 18:34 BobBob
 
Scottish Martial Arts wrote on Nov 21, 2016, 18:15:
unfortunately wrote on Nov 21, 2016, 17:35:
Good thing would-be's like yourself don't have any real influence. Have you read Madison/Federalist Papers? Do you know what 'tyranny of the majority' is? What the role of the Electoral College is re:same? Or would you like to abrogate well-considered protections simply because you don't favor the result of an election? The daily wall of self-proclaimed pol expert posts on this site is laughable. You may look into some humility- if you do so constructively, perhaps we'll see less pretentious pol narrative nonsense on this gaming website.


Ironic that you would cite Madison and the Federalist Papers considering that the therein stated purpose of the Electoral College was to safeguard the republic from the people choosing a demagogue or foreign pawn as their leader. By letting Electors, themselves chosen by state legislatures, choose the President, wiser and cooler heads would be allowed to prevail over an impassioned yet misguided majority. The Framers wanted the people to have a voice, but not too much of a voice, lest too much democracy lead to a democratic government tearing itself apart, as it had in the past.

The Electoral College as it exists today is a bit of an oddity, because the system has evolved such that the Electors are no longer the wiser men selected by state legislatures, but simple partisan loyalists, performing a purely ceremonial function, selected by the outcome of 50 separate statewide contests. In effect, we no longer have the safeguards against an unfit leader assuming the Presidency -- otherwise we'd be hearing a lot more about Electors planning to deny Trump a majority so that the Presidency will go to the House for selection of a more mainstream GOP politician -- and yet we don't have a purely democratic system either, as evidenced by Clinton's 1.6 million, and growing, lead in the nationwide popular vote.

I say if we're going to have an Electoral College, go all in and return Elector selection to the state legislatures. That would keep the Presidency in GOP hands for the foreseeable future, but on the other hand it would keep an incompetent demagogue from ever assuming the highest office. We'd also likely see much shorter and less expensive campaigns, since the "campaign" would mostly occur entirely inside state legislatures.

The Framers were terrified that the people couldn't be trusted to govern themselves responsibly; 2016 and Donald Trump seem to have proven them right.

The argument over popular vote vs. electroral college is simply a matter of coincidence and convenience. If she lost the popular vote some other argument would be made to euphemistically call out the system as "rigged" or "unfair".

Basically, the main difference in this election came down to fewer college educated vs a majority of uneducated voters - with exceptions of opportunism - influencing the electoral college result. The "college educated" are to blame for isolating themselves and 'acting elitist' over the "uneducated" instead of feeling an obligation to listen to the concerns and pleas of the 'uneducated' and help bring them up to intellectual equality.

Of course, some will argue that a college education is merely a type of liberal indoctrination, which has some validity, but for the most part it's a process of learning and sharing authenticated knowledge and developing advanced thinking skills.

We - the college educated - have ourselves to blame. But will we learn to change our methods? Will we learn to reach out and listen with open minds and humility - to teach and include everyone - no matter how much emotional struggle is involved and how much intellectual tolerance it takes?

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42. Re: Morning Legal Briefs Nov 21, 2016, 18:18 BobBob
 
I can feel the normalization coming. Or I'm tired of feeling shocked, scared, and hopeless. I guess I'll just hope the California political forcefield can protect us for 4 years ... or more.  
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News Comments > Out of the Blue
24. Re: Out of the Blue Nov 17, 2016, 18:25 BobBob
 
http://m.democracynow.org/stories/16836

 
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23. Re: Out of the Blue Nov 17, 2016, 17:49 BobBob
 
Hmm...

Perhaps I have an overactive imagination, or others have observed something similar happening in their own neighborhoods.

I bike ride around a lot. One city that I pass through has an area with large patches of sandy beach next to a pier. It's a busy place. People stroll the walkways, fish with poles, shop at the gift stores, dine at the restaurants, and play games in the arcade. It's almost always packed with Hispanic families - grandparents, parents, and their kids - swimming in the water, sunbathing, laughing, playing, and running around.

Post election results:

I swear I've not seen a single Hispanic family.

It's eerie.



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9. Re: Out of the Blue Nov 17, 2016, 12:14 BobBob
 
Acleacius wrote on Nov 17, 2016, 10:51:
Sounds like your being serious, so I'll try to answer in one sentence.

'The Republican Party Has Become the Most Dangerous Organization in World History' Chomsky

I'm not sure if you meant to post a link, but here is the full text:

http://m.democracynow.org/stories/16219

It's an interesting read. Thumbsup
 
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