I'll pass - online connection for single player game and linking Bethesda account! nope. Corpo's not sucking my data.

It's bad enough at the moment with single player games on Epic store when sometimes Epic screws up and fails to connect, then I can't play the game I legally own because the stupid launcher wants an internet connection ( which I have and is working! ).

Linking accounts is just a way to make sure they can harvest your email and data, they don't NEED it for anything else if the game is already being installed via Steam or Epic.

None of this BS is to help the players, it's not anti-cheat ( who cares on a single player mode! ) it's not to get basic stats on the game levels ( they can do that anyway and have it just send that data if/when it detects a connection on game shutdown ).

In a year or so when their servers are no longer viable because the player counts are too low, they just kill the servers and then you can't even play the single player anymore so the game you paid 40-50 bucks for is dead. Then look out for Redfall 2 ( re-buy the same f'in game with the same BS again! )

More like farts out.
Launch was the normal disaster of the servers being up for about 20-30mins - then they died - for about two hours ( maybe longer, I gave up and went to bed ).

This release IS a beta in all but name.
The Alpha release was not optimised ( fair enough )
With this release my frame rates are almost exactly the same as in the Alpha.
Today I tested a basic ground site in Horizons and Odyssey:
Horizons: 140+ FPS
Odyssey: 40+ FPS

So combine those frame rate drops with numerous bugs and other design fails ( new UI's as less usable than the original game ).

My advice for anyone thinking of buying Odyssey - don't bother, yet, in 4/5 months the Console version will release - if that's as bad as the PC version then forgot it.

This premise sounds way to close to real life

So DXVK is the future of gaming on Linux and EA have decided to ban anyone using it because they clearly lack the technically knowledge to know WTF they are dealing with.
EA proving again why they are considered such a bad gaming publisher.

I guess it's impressive to have such a high player count given it's a game that was released and still available ( on sale at the moment ) on GOG.
Does steam include all people that are not running the game via Steam ? (suspect not)
Personally I got it via good old fashioned box of DVD's in a box from a physical store.
Today re-downloaded it via the GOG offline installer so I can play it on Linux. So neither of my original play through's or the new one I just started will be counted on steam.

All this talk of win32 vs 32bit - the real problem is fucking microsoft!!!
How can you call an API win32 when it's using 64bit code ( in the 64bit version!! )
And what complete idiot decided the best folder to put 32bit versions of programs on the 64bit edition of windows is a folder called WOW64 !!!!
It's like they intentionally want to confuse the hell out of people.
Don't even get me started on the ODBC drivers!!!

A 64-bit version of the Microsoft Windows operating system includes the following versions of the Microsoft Open Database Connectivity (ODBC) Data Source Administrator tool (Odbcad32.exe):
The 32-bit version of the Odbcad32.exe file is located in the %systemdrive%\Windows\SysWoW64 folder.
The 64-bit version of the Odbcad32.exe file is located in the %systemdrive%\Windows\System32 folder.

Seriously! they called both version odbcad32 and put the 64bit version in the system32 folder and 32bit versions in SysWow64 folder - this is how half-baked and backwards Microsoft are when comes to 32-bit / 64-bit OS's.

They did it to get the millions of (young) gamers - in a few years assuming MS don't completely screw it up the kids will be still be playing and talking this cool fun game that microsoft wrote ( Mojang will be forgotten by the masses ).

Remember MS doesn't 'invent' and is not famous for their home grown great products, it's power comes from money to buy up other companies that do have great ideas and do make great products.
Virtual every product MS has was bought and then re-branded.
The Windows OS is made largely from clever ideas bought or stolen from other developers and poorly cobbled together to make the ugly bloated mess we have today.

I stopped playing when they killed Linux support
Nothing here makes me want to play it again. ( quite the opposite )

Original Quake3 runs beautifully on my Raspberry Pi

Just more proof Windows 8 is intended for touch screen, they couldn't even be bothered to QA the mouse support!
Windows is dying.

Just cancelled by subscription. Used to love it, played on Linux.
So now I'll be back to play normal Q3 as that runs perfectly on Linux.
So sad they took something that worked on Mac and Linux and decided to break it so it doesn't. Purely laziness I think since the core code is already compatible it wouldn't take more that a few days to make the standalone client work on the other platforms too, it's not like they have to re-write anything all the current code is already working on all three platforms.

This comment was edited on Nov 9, 2013, 06:40.

wtf_man wrote on Oct 13, 2013, 18:57:
Linux needs a large quantity of Commercial Software support in order to be viable on the desktop (Not just games).
...

While open source has some great stuff out there... some of it will just never replace commercial software on the professional level (Like GIMP VS. Photoshop).

The only way Linux could ever become viable on the desktop is if there was a sudden WAVE of popular commercial software available for the platform. NOT just one "Killer App".

Wrong, just wrong.

The whole point of Linux is it's "Open" the masses of people that work on and with Linux don't really want lots of 'Commercial' closed source software on their machine.
Most hardcore Linux and open source fans don't even like NVidia despite the fact that NVidia supports Linux by supplying very good quality stable video drivers that give great performance. why? because they are closed source. They would rather use the open source driver that is buggy and slower.

I've been using Linux on my laptops and desktops ( and servers for work ) for years now ( with proper Nvidia drivers so I get the performance! ) I've played a number of games, mostly from id Software as they did native Linux ports but recently I've been playing games using 'wine'. It's tricky to make it work and it's not perfect but then last time I played a game on Windows 7 I got a few random crashes and a hung machine ( Skyrim, I'm looking at you ).

In terms of software the majority of software I use on my Linux machine is also available for free on Windows. why, because it's open source and a lot of open source code is written to be open for as many people as possible so it's written using open APIs ( like OpenGL, OpenAL, QT etc ) then it's pretty simple to port to Windows, Linux, Mac etc.

Companies that write code that can only be compiled on Windows are short-sited and lazy, it doesn't take a lot of work to write application that are cross platform, just some up front planning.

I hear my wife and kids and colleagues at work all complaining about Windows 8 and Windows 7 crashes / hangs / slowness / general issues, this hasn't changed in forever. I like saying "I don't have that problem, I don't run Windows!" - That doesn't mean I don't have problems, Linux is software, therefore it's not perfect, but it's harder to complain about something that's free ( and don't make that point that time is not free so time solving problems = cost - I spend no more time with problems on my Linux machines than an average Windows user! ).

So my final comment is simple, if you guys like paying M$ for their OS and like paying for lots of Commercial Software then keep ignoring Open Source. Linux and Open Source software is everywhere and doing very nicely thank you.

Played games on Linux for years, some native ( Quake3/ETQW/Doom3 ) some using Wine ( www.winehq.org ).
I remember when one of the Unreal Tournament demos was a liveCD with Linux+NVidia drivers and UT demo preinstalled, just slip in the disk, boot and play - that was more than 10 years ago I think.

Windows has got worse, Linux has got better.

I used to rant 10-15 years ago about developers using DirectX and locking themselves into MS. At the time OpenGL was better than DirectX, then eventually DirectX improved. Today OpenGL can still handle AAA titles and OpenAL and other standard libraries are available for the other things that DirectX "wraps to make dev's lives easier (lazier)".

So this announcement is not a surprise, just wonder what took them so long.

Irony: techies hate Windows 8 because it's dumbed down and designed for a touch screen that the vast majority don't have - but instead they like the idea of an OS dumbed down to basically only browse and play games on a TV with a controller!

Thanks, but I prefer my Linux with a proper desktop and open for every use I can think of.

PS: those complaining they don't want their gaming rig in the family room on the main TV all fall into two categories, Kids living at home and Married guys with a wife that actually wants to watch TV, not watch her husband play some stupid game. ( I fall into the later category )

Thanks Timothee for all your hard work on the Linux ports, I played Quake3, Doom3, Quake4 and ET:QW a lot on Linux and loved the fact I didn't have to boot into windows play my games.
I played Rage on Windows and always held a little hope I'd be able to replay on Linux one day, then you left id, a sad day for Linux users.

So sad Carmack has given up on Linux when it has so much to offer.

Ozmodan wrote on Feb 6, 2013, 09:39:
People are just whining because they have to buy windows.

Yep, it takes a lot of extra disk space and costs a lot of money just so I can play an already expensive game on my otherwise perfectly usable PC running free software to do everything, except top 10% of games.
The rest will work either natively or using wine.
I duel boot, the last time I booted into windows was to play FarCry3, not booted Windows since I completed it, won't have need to boot it again till I splash out on another major title like that, maybe in a couple of months time, maybe longer.

Personally I enjoyed playing Quake3 and QuakeLive, Doom3 and ET:QW and Quake 4, all using native Linux ports.
I except it's not going to make you much money, but a couple of weeks to do a port is not that big a deal if it opens up the game to larger number of people.

OpenGL is perfectly able to handle the graphics, OpenAL is pretty close for the sound( but not perfect ) I'm sure there are fairly standard libraries for input code. All of which should mean a native port is possible and WILL run better than using Wine.
If Windows was perfect we wouldn't need Linux!! so why bother emulating it!! it just adds another layer of crap between the game code and real libraries that do the work.

Uh, they better not be moving all the children from Messenger on to Skype!!!!

My kids and all their friends all used Messenger, Skype was for work and adults!!

Hating what MS has done with Skype since 'buying' it. Obvoiusly their crappy programmers weren't able to rip out the VOIP stuff from Skype and plug it into Messenger, so gave up and decided to scrap Messenger and go with something they didn't write

One day MS will do something right, I just suspect it won't be in my lifetime

Really is looking like the PC dying by degrees.
Microsoft making incredible hard to duel boot new hardware because it's locked to their key
Now Intel forcing CPU and Motherboard to be a single unit.

I guess corporations hate the enthusiast because we are the only ones that can call them on the bullshit they come out with and push their products to the real limits ( rather than the fake ones they tells the masses about ).

It also seems corporations make the mistake of thinking to make something simple you have to dumb it down to the point that only a child is happy with it ( simple because they don't know any better! )

We need more open systems like the Raspberry Pi but with more power!

Wow, final be able to play something other than quake on my Raspberry Pi.

I wonder what they are re-writing, now way that can still be java, memory requirements to high and performance too low.

Oh, sorry Gabe, I just wanted to play the £40 game I just bought, maybe I should wait till you're less busy and it's more convenient to you.

Steams sucks always has. I don't want it on my Linux machine, but then installing Linux has just gone from dead simple to a nightmare thanks to Secure-boot.
Every single laptop and PC in PC World today was installed with Windows 8 and the staff have no idea which if any of the laptops can have secure boot turned off. If it's not Microsoft they know nothing.
Microsoft have killed the PC. I remember when the P stood for personal. It was mine to install whatever OS I wanted, whatever software I owned whenever I wanted. Not today. Today we have MSC's (MicroSoft Computers) or AC ( Apple Computers ) all locked down and restricted.
The PC is almost dead. only legacy hardware remains open now.

1 in 5?
Good, saves some bandwidth.
Shame it's not 4 in 5, I think more than half the people that use the internet shouldn't and more half of those are American!
Personally I'd like to see the internet restricted to read only for those with an IQ less than 3 digits.
Although with the way IQ's are dropping in the UK that would also help global internet speeds!

Hate to bring the thread back on topic but ...

Anyone else get 4/5 times more Crash-To-Desktop than before the Patch/HD DLC ?

I rolled back all the mods, updated my video drivers but still I'm getting CTD's every 10 minutes or so.
If I disable the HD update using the nexas mod manager thingy then I can play for 20-30minutes before I get a CTD.

Really annoying as before the last patches I'd played just over a 100 hours with only maybe 2 or 3 CTD's a week.

Only thing I've read on other forums is dropping sound quality in windows to 44 from 48 helps. I tried that, didn't help.