Verno wrote on Aug 1, 2012, 13:52:
The internet in general is pretty cynical, you're just missing the forest for the trees. For example when L4D2 was announced there were few cries how wonderful Valve was, it was a pretty negative reception. I don't see many people here loving this announcement up either. I see people bitching about the state of Steam all the time on here and other sites. In general though there just aren't as many negative issues involving Valve as there have been other companies and that's further offset by Valve's many positive contributions. Of course any product/brand has fanboys and haters but those people are not reachable in the first place.
J wrote on Aug 1, 2012, 12:36:
To me it's looking, in a way, how Deus Ex HR should have been. The radar in DX:HR ruined the balance in my opinion. It would play so much better if it were optional. When I get Hitman I'll be whacking up the difficulty to max and getting stuck in.
Creston wrote on Aug 1, 2012, 13:14:
What amazes me is that it bugs you so much. There are people who swear up and down by a particular news channel, too. And there are even actual EA fanboys! I know, it seems impossible, but there are genuinely people out there who say that Origin is literally the best thing to have happened to PC gamers, like, EVER.
The large majority of 'people' on the Internet are morons.
Creston wrote on Aug 1, 2012, 12:36:
Everyone knows that with EA, it is. All EA cares about is the bottom line. Valve, I'm not so sure. I think they started Steam because they wanted to get out from a publisher's bootheel, but for a long time, everything they've done to Steam has been to solely boost profits. It's really only the last few years that they've begun listening to their customers and have implemented some things that benefit the customers. (Better support, faster patches, more sales, etc.)
Sepharo wrote on Jul 31, 2012, 23:40:
Well they do care about more than just profits. They care about their customers' satisfaction and doing so gives them enormous goodwill which translates into higher profits. If only other companies could realize that instead of punishing customers...
You think EA/Ubisoft/Microsoft is just going to release tons of free content for their games? Release EA/Ubisoft/Microsoft Film Maker for free? Allow customers to join in content creation and pay them their percentage?
Prez wrote on Jul 31, 2012, 23:23:
I can accept that you say your attitude being largely negative towards Valve and Steam on these boards is more of a counterpoint to the largely positive overall view of them here on Blues than it is a general hate-on you have for Valve. But having been here a while like you have you ought to be aware of how quick this crowd will turn on a company when they screw up or "act evil" as you put it. I'm curious as to how, then, you account for the generally positive view this board (which is known for its negativity about, well, everything) has maintained for Valve and Steam. If Valveis truly the equal in word and deed of the likes of EA and Ubisoft, why are they spared (comparitively speaking) the vitriol that those and other companies are bombarded with (and most deservedly so if you ask me) on Bluesnews? I wonder if you doubt that people can actually continue to be a fan of something while still acknowledging its faults and shortcomings.
Dades wrote on Jul 31, 2012, 22:52:
That might explain your borderline obsessive number of posts on the company. If you want to call out other people for being a hypocrite that's fine but expect to be called out in return for your transparent posturing. Valve has been pretty consistent about making money in a way that pleases their customers over the years so your valiant crusade to inform the public about their status as a business that is out to make money isn't the eye opener you think.
Dades wrote on Jul 31, 2012, 22:33:
That is interesting. Almost as interesting as clicking on your name and searching for Valve which shows a staggering history of one sided opinions about the company. Usually followed by oh but i like Valve, I just hold them to the same standard as the other companies who I never seem to type the same rants about.
NewMaxx wrote on Jul 31, 2012, 22:14:
Hope you recall our discussion about this when Origin (EA) did the same, because I do. Plenty of quotes to go around...
theyarecomingforyou wrote on Sep 24, 2011, 11:54:
EA and Sony are contributing to the legal and moral quagmire with the sole aim of limiting their exposure and protecting their profits. Nobody should support a business trying to bypass the legal system to protect their shareholders. And your assertion that it's to avoid "trivial lawsuits" implies is completely subjective, as who decides what is or is not trivial? The whole point is that the legal system decides that and this is an attempt to short-circuit that process to save money.
Verno wrote on Jul 31, 2012, 15:43:
Oblivion was a long time ago and comparisons between them aren't very relevant. Both Steam and DD in general have grown massively since then. Given the amount of post-release support and attention the PC version has been seeing (along with their vague praise about PC sales) I'd say the situation could potentially be that different.
Verno wrote on Jul 31, 2012, 13:08:
As for wishful thinking, I don't know, this isn't an over the shoulder action game or something. It's a traditional PC franchise with a long standing community and great word of mouth to go along with extensive advertising both online and offline. Given the sheer breadth of the Steam platform these days I don't find it outside of the realm of reason that a PC version could perform up to a console SKU. Heck the recent BF games for example performed very well compared to their console counterparts individually and that was without the benefit of Steam.
Verno wrote on Jul 31, 2012, 08:45:StingingVelvet wrote on Jul 31, 2012, 02:17:
'Cause ten times more isn't a popular way of saying a lot more, of course. That isn't some standard thing you would be a nitpicky person to come after.
No one even knows for sure what it actually sold so I don't think he's being pedantic. He was quoting kind of a ridiculous claim, it's not "nitpicky" to illustrate why.
Jerykk wrote on Jul 30, 2012, 23:43:2) Not everyone wants crazy shit in TES. I know a lot of mod-loving people think that is the reason the series is popular, but the fact the mod-absent versions sell 10 times more says otherwise. I like TES for immersive exploration and roleplaying, and flying dragon crazy shit yo is pretty opposite to that.
Ten times more? So if the PC version of Skyrim sold 1 million, that means the PS3 and X360 versions sold 10 million?
Tumbler wrote on Jul 30, 2012, 15:41:
Seems like the Steamworks content available is far more interesting than this expansion.
Where are my fucking dragon mounts Bethesda? Why did you make something with Vampires? Who gives a shit about Vampires?! This game is about DRAGONS. Give us some fucking dragons to play with!!!
And flying mounts! I want to play joust in the sky with my flying horse and a Dragon! And I want to ride dragons where I straff downs and drown them in fire! I want to hear stories in the nearby town about how my actions! Did you hear about the dragon? It killed everyone in Greenwood! Or if someone saw you riding the dragon then maybe the whole town would run from you screaming, "It's the dragon rider!!!" And guards would attack you for your crimes!
This shit writes itself Bethesda, why on earth did you make some stupid expansions about vampires?!