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News Comments > Steam Precludes Class Action Lawsuits
121. Re: Steam Precludes Class Action Lawsuits Aug 1, 2012, 13:34 StingingVelvet
 
Creston wrote on Aug 1, 2012, 13:14:
What amazes me is that it bugs you so much. There are people who swear up and down by a particular news channel, too. And there are even actual EA fanboys! I know, it seems impossible, but there are genuinely people out there who say that Origin is literally the best thing to have happened to PC gamers, like, EVER.

The large majority of 'people' on the Internet are morons.

I know. I guess it just stands out because game sites are usually so cynical. Of course perhaps that is one reason people latch on to the few companies that seem better than the rest.

Anyway I also maintain it seems disproportionate on Blues because I tend to come here for a certain kind of debate. I outright mock and make light of most of the "OMG STEAM SUCKS" threads on GOG, until this one.
 
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News Comments > Steam Precludes Class Action Lawsuits
116. Re: Steam Precludes Class Action Lawsuits Aug 1, 2012, 12:46 StingingVelvet
 
Creston wrote on Aug 1, 2012, 12:36:
Everyone knows that with EA, it is. All EA cares about is the bottom line. Valve, I'm not so sure. I think they started Steam because they wanted to get out from a publisher's bootheel, but for a long time, everything they've done to Steam has been to solely boost profits. It's really only the last few years that they've begun listening to their customers and have implemented some things that benefit the customers. (Better support, faster patches, more sales, etc.)

I don't have a problem with Valve, I really don't. Just today I got Max Payne 3 as a Steam code because it's so large I don't want to back it up, and Steam is the store I don't use backups with because I trust it to be there and work. I like Valve's games and the service, if there has to be DRM then Steamworks generally is the best kind.

My entire "issue" I guess is with the people who act like Valve can do no wrong, or are special in some way, removed from things like this terms of service shit. They might be more persuasive and more generous than other companies but they are still out to protect themselves and get your money, period.

On Kotaku today I read a comment about this story where someone said "I just... trust Valve more." That's the personification of the idea I dislike... Valve should not be trusted more than any other company out to get your money. Appreciated? Sure. Trusted? No. As today's news should hopefully make clear, they will screw you as soon as they think they can and should, and do it with a snarky smile.
 
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News Comments > Steam Precludes Class Action Lawsuits
55. Re: Steam Precludes Class Action Lawsuits Jul 31, 2012, 23:52 StingingVelvet
 
Wow, way to go Kotaku... http://kotaku.com/5930705/now-valve-is-trying-to-stop-people-suing-them-too  
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News Comments > Steam Precludes Class Action Lawsuits
51. Re: Steam Precludes Class Action Lawsuits Jul 31, 2012, 23:44 StingingVelvet
 
Sepharo wrote on Jul 31, 2012, 23:40:
Well they do care about more than just profits. They care about their customers' satisfaction and doing so gives them enormous goodwill which translates into higher profits. If only other companies could realize that instead of punishing customers...

You think EA/Ubisoft/Microsoft is just going to release tons of free content for their games? Release EA/Ubisoft/Microsoft Film Maker for free? Allow customers to join in content creation and pay them their percentage?

First off I do think those companies have done similar things, maybe on less of a grand stage due to their business models. Secondly when it's all designed to breed the exact kind of loyalty shown earlier in this thread I don't take it as a favor.
 
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News Comments > Steam Precludes Class Action Lawsuits
46. Re: Steam Precludes Class Action Lawsuits Jul 31, 2012, 23:34 StingingVelvet
 
Prez wrote on Jul 31, 2012, 23:23:
I can accept that you say your attitude being largely negative towards Valve and Steam on these boards is more of a counterpoint to the largely positive overall view of them here on Blues than it is a general hate-on you have for Valve. But having been here a while like you have you ought to be aware of how quick this crowd will turn on a company when they screw up or "act evil" as you put it. I'm curious as to how, then, you account for the generally positive view this board (which is known for its negativity about, well, everything) has maintained for Valve and Steam. If Valveis truly the equal in word and deed of the likes of EA and Ubisoft, why are they spared (comparitively speaking) the vitriol that those and other companies are bombarded with (and most deservedly so if you ask me) on Bluesnews? I wonder if you doubt that people can actually continue to be a fan of something while still acknowledging its faults and shortcomings.

There can be varying reasons, both legitimate and not. A lot of people are hung up on old EA grievances from closing X studio to Y console support statement. In the end though I honestly think it's mostly rooted in Valve doing amazing, excellent and awe-inspiring PR.

Look at this update. The way they phrase this shit it's like they're doing you a favor. They're fucking brilliant at this stuff.

And again, I am not saying they are worse. Actually in the grand scheme of things I would agree they are likely better than most companies. I just think they are also a greedy corporation that wants profit and that fucks consumers when they accept it and does altruistic things with financial goals in mind, same as any other corporation. It's the "Valve are a good company that cares about more than profit" mindset that drives me bonkers.
 
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News Comments > Steam Precludes Class Action Lawsuits
26. Re: Steam Precludes Class Action Lawsuits Jul 31, 2012, 23:08 StingingVelvet
 
Dades wrote on Jul 31, 2012, 22:52:
That might explain your borderline obsessive number of posts on the company. If you want to call out other people for being a hypocrite that's fine but expect to be called out in return for your transparent posturing. Valve has been pretty consistent about making money in a way that pleases their customers over the years so your valiant crusade to inform the public about their status as a business that is out to make money isn't the eye opener you think.

Blues tends to only be worth posting at for debates, and Valve not being the saints they pretend to be or the media treats them as is something I like debating. Hence why I talk about that here a lot.

If you want to stalk me and look up my post history on the GOG forums, my main "port of call," you would see I typically never mention Steam and defend it as no big deal when I do.

In any event, as I said, continue to classify me as you like to suit your perspective.
 
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News Comments > Steam Precludes Class Action Lawsuits
22. Re: Steam Precludes Class Action Lawsuits Jul 31, 2012, 22:42 StingingVelvet
 
Dades wrote on Jul 31, 2012, 22:33:
That is interesting. Almost as interesting as clicking on your name and searching for Valve which shows a staggering history of one sided opinions about the company. Usually followed by oh but i like Valve, I just hold them to the same standard as the other companies who I never seem to type the same rants about.

Yes, Valve fucked my mom when she was depressed and vulnerable and now I am out for revenge.

The simple fact is you see a lot of negative posts about them specifically because they are the only company that gets praised and loved while doing the same evil shit as other companies that get bashed for it do. Hence me consistently trying to point out they are just another greedy business to be wary of. Hence constantly fighting that hypocrisy so perfectly displayed below.

Continue to ignore it all though and pretend I am a Valve hating nutter (with 320 Steam games) to suit your point of view, though.
 
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News Comments > Steam Precludes Class Action Lawsuits
16. Re: Steam Precludes Class Action Lawsuits Jul 31, 2012, 22:24 StingingVelvet
 
NewMaxx wrote on Jul 31, 2012, 22:14:
Hope you recall our discussion about this when Origin (EA) did the same, because I do. Plenty of quotes to go around...

http://tinyurl.com/cusgh37

Quite different language there compared to what he just wrote. This is the Valve Love Hypocrisy Effect at work, rarely seen in such perfect form.

From just 30 seconds of skimming we get classics like:

theyarecomingforyou wrote on Sep 24, 2011, 11:54:
EA and Sony are contributing to the legal and moral quagmire with the sole aim of limiting their exposure and protecting their profits. Nobody should support a business trying to bypass the legal system to protect their shareholders. And your assertion that it's to avoid "trivial lawsuits" implies is completely subjective, as who decides what is or is not trivial? The whole point is that the legal system decides that and this is an attempt to short-circuit that process to save money.
 
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News Comments > Steam Precludes Class Action Lawsuits
1. Re: Steam Precludes Class Action Lawsuits Jul 31, 2012, 21:34 StingingVelvet
 
EA are so evil! I hope they all burn in... oh, wait a second. It's Valve?

This is fine no biggie.
 
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News Comments > The Old Republic F2P This Fall
44. Re: The Old Republic F2P This Fall Jul 31, 2012, 19:40 StingingVelvet
 
Got this game because of silly Bioware love and because of the solo focus. Played an assassin to the cap and quit, it was okay, very padded and boring for long stretches in order to make you play and pay a lot. I would never subscribe to it but for free I might play a light side character through to the cap.  
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News Comments > PC Dawnguard Info "This Week"
29. Re: PC Dawnguard Info Jul 31, 2012, 18:52 StingingVelvet
 
Verno wrote on Jul 31, 2012, 15:43:
Oblivion was a long time ago and comparisons between them aren't very relevant. Both Steam and DD in general have grown massively since then. Given the amount of post-release support and attention the PC version has been seeing (along with their vague praise about PC sales) I'd say the situation could potentially be that different.

Well that's good news then. I still however hold to the follow-up to my posts, which is that even if it's equal you still can't dismiss half the audience.
 
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News Comments > PC Dawnguard Info "This Week"
27. Re: PC Dawnguard Info Jul 31, 2012, 14:10 StingingVelvet
 
Verno wrote on Jul 31, 2012, 13:08:
As for wishful thinking, I don't know, this isn't an over the shoulder action game or something. It's a traditional PC franchise with a long standing community and great word of mouth to go along with extensive advertising both online and offline. Given the sheer breadth of the Steam platform these days I don't find it outside of the realm of reason that a PC version could perform up to a console SKU. Heck the recent BF games for example performed very well compared to their console counterparts individually and that was without the benefit of Steam.

Yeah but every time DICE talked about Bad Company 2 and BF3 selling well on PC they also pointed out the Xbox version still sold considerably more. As for TES, Oblivion was said by Bethesda to have sold "many times over" more on Xbox. Could Skyrim be THAT different? I doubt it, but I guess stranger things have happened.

I'm not saying the game didn't sell well on PC, I am saying the primary market is still Xbox and Xbox can't do the crazy shit a lot of the wacky mods do. Even if Xbox was 40% of the market they would still have to respect that and make the game work well on it.
 
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News Comments > GNU Guru: Linux Steam "Unethical"
24. Re: GNU Guru: Linux Steam Jul 31, 2012, 12:48 StingingVelvet
 
necrosis wrote on Jul 31, 2012, 11:04:
So he would rather have no Steam on Linux than Steam with DRM (which by the way is not Valves doing but the publishers of the games).

Umm, Steam is DRM, made and forced on everything by Valve.

Other than that I agree with the consensus.
 
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News Comments > PC Dawnguard Info "This Week"
25. Re: PC Dawnguard Info Jul 31, 2012, 12:44 StingingVelvet
 
Verno wrote on Jul 31, 2012, 08:45:
StingingVelvet wrote on Jul 31, 2012, 02:17:
'Cause ten times more isn't a popular way of saying a lot more, of course. That isn't some standard thing you would be a nitpicky person to come after.

No one even knows for sure what it actually sold so I don't think he's being pedantic. He was quoting kind of a ridiculous claim, it's not "nitpicky" to illustrate why.

Bethesda have made it very well known the Xbox version sells a lot more. Maybe Skyrim made more on PC than Oblivion did but the idea that it competes with the Xbox version is, in my mind, extremely wishful thinking.

Even if the PC version sold equally that's still half the market they have to consider that can't handle crazy dragon riding insanity.
 
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News Comments > PC Dawnguard Info "This Week"
21. Re: PC Dawnguard Info Jul 31, 2012, 02:17 StingingVelvet
 
Jerykk wrote on Jul 30, 2012, 23:43:
2) Not everyone wants crazy shit in TES. I know a lot of mod-loving people think that is the reason the series is popular, but the fact the mod-absent versions sell 10 times more says otherwise. I like TES for immersive exploration and roleplaying, and flying dragon crazy shit yo is pretty opposite to that.

Ten times more? So if the PC version of Skyrim sold 1 million, that means the PS3 and X360 versions sold 10 million?

'Cause ten times more isn't a popular way of saying a lot more, of course. That isn't some standard thing you would be a nitpicky person to come after.

Nope.
 
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News Comments > PC Dawnguard Info "This Week"
18. Re: PC Dawnguard Info Jul 30, 2012, 19:21 StingingVelvet
 
Tumbler wrote on Jul 30, 2012, 15:41:
Seems like the Steamworks content available is far more interesting than this expansion.

Where are my fucking dragon mounts Bethesda? Why did you make something with Vampires? Who gives a shit about Vampires?! This game is about DRAGONS. Give us some fucking dragons to play with!!!

And flying mounts! I want to play joust in the sky with my flying horse and a Dragon! And I want to ride dragons where I straff downs and drown them in fire! I want to hear stories in the nearby town about how my actions! Did you hear about the dragon? It killed everyone in Greenwood! Or if someone saw you riding the dragon then maybe the whole town would run from you screaming, "It's the dragon rider!!!" And guards would attack you for your crimes!

This shit writes itself Bethesda, why on earth did you make some stupid expansions about vampires?!

Two reasons:

1) Harder to do on consoles, the crazy shit tends to break the engine with those RAM limitations. And yes, of course, they have to consider the vast majority of their audience.

2) Not everyone wants crazy shit in TES. I know a lot of mod-loving people think that is the reason the series is popular, but the fact the mod-absent versions sell 10 times more says otherwise. I like TES for immersive exploration and roleplaying, and flying dragon crazy shit yo is pretty opposite to that.
 
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News Comments > PC Dawnguard Info "This Week"
17. Re: PC Dawnguard Info "This Week" Jul 30, 2012, 19:18 StingingVelvet
 
I can't believe they're still surprised people don't respect, understand or like business-speak like "nothing has been announced."  
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News Comments > Saturday Consolidation
22. Re: Saturday Consolidation Jul 29, 2012, 03:57 StingingVelvet
 
Kastagir wrote on Jul 29, 2012, 02:57:
It's all conjecture, but the best reason for the delay I've seen suggested is that they're having problems porting it to the PS3. From what I gather, the 1.6 update still hasn't made it to the PS3 and 1.7 is now in beta. Why this should hold up the PC version, I don't know. And I can't get behind the silent treatment from Bethesda. Where things stand now, there's no guarantee that Dawnguard (or the next DLC, for that matter) is expected on the PC. That is something Bethesda needs to clear up.

30 days of exclusivity doesn't mean the DLC launched on PC on day 31. The whole internet seems to think that's the case, but it never is. It will come soon I am sure, and there is no reason for them to detail everything to the media on day 31.

As for Skyrim and the DLC, I am eager to play it. I thought Skyrim was pretty amazing, a great turnaround after Oblivion. That said I go back overseas in 32 days and probably won't fit the DLC in before then, even if it does come out soon.
 
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News Comments > Baldur's Gate: Enhanced Edition in September
31. Re: Baldur's Gate: Enhanced Edition in September Jul 27, 2012, 01:30 StingingVelvet
 
Too expensive for me, for what it is. I have the GOG version and the appropriate mods. I would basically be paying $20 for the new characters and added DRM.  
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News Comments > Op Ed
24. Re: Op Ed Jul 25, 2012, 01:22 StingingVelvet
 
PropheT wrote on Jul 24, 2012, 23:04:
There isn't exactly a dearth of cases where a majority wasn't exactly an indicator of validity. If people think it's a great idea, then they're more than welcome to fund it; I just question why Kickstarter, a site that's supposed to be used to appeal for funding for a new project, is the right place to do that rather than something on the site itself.

I think it's probably the stupidest idea ever, honestly. I never even notice website ads, let alone have them bother me. If people care enough to support this though, they're not wrong... they just disagree with me. That's fine.

I think it's completely absurd the US has no socialized medicine program but obviously the majority disagrees with me. While some of my friends think the government is evil or whatever because of it I accept the truth that I am in the minority and if people cared they would vote differently.
 
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