I purchased a back up psp 2000 recently to insure I have a system to use my UMD collection on. PSP 3000 is ugly and I am not buying in to the PSP Go idea.

This comment was edited on May 31, 2009, 17:39.

I used to say this and I still believe it and with well designed achievments, it still holds true. It's about the journey, not the destination. For really really fun games, that you personally enjoy very much, a set of achievements gives wonderful replay value. I loved Saints Row 2. I will gladly play it again some day without trophies. For me to rush out and buy DLC, and play it again right now, it would take a trophy system because the game is too fresh in my mind not to have some distraction goals and things to do to make the experience fresh. As a crutch for bad games, to me it's still a bad game, why play it at all (unless you are on the giant treadmill of trophy collecting).

Who are any of us to say that it's not actually fun for those collecting trophies in a world wide competative way? I think well done achievements on fun games do reward people with tangible benefits but they are emotional ones.

I agree with Spindoctor, multiplayer achievements ruin games a lot. Heck even Warhammer Online has people running around naked in pvp matches to get titles and things unlocked. It would always tick me off when we would lose a game because 2-3 peope would be running around being stupid. Some wouldn't even really play, just stand there. Many of them would have not really stepped into a match if the developers hadn't put that feature or goal in the game. It never ended either, next match a new bunch would be in there. Not picking on WHO, there are a ton of multiplayer games that do this.

What's worse is that there is a new term for achievement collecting called "boosting" which basically involves the use of buddies on servers to create the situations and requirements to trigger the multiplayer trophies. Now this isn't all bad as far as desire to do this on players part, because some of the trophies are so ridiculously hard, or the games so poor in longevity, that people get a game today and can't find others to play online with. However, the effect of behavioral change trophy chasing has on good multiplayer games is detrimental to the experience.

While companies and developers have come around to at least trying to do something about cheating in the multiplayer experience with one hand, the are using the other hand to introduce multiplayer achievements that are ruining that very experience, by changing people's behavior by the trophies they implement, often causing them to cheat the system in ways that aren't really actionable. Yet it impacts the innocent players caught up in the situation by chance. I would prefer all games with achievements be single player in focus as multiplayer achievements do not make up for desire to play the game online. If a developer insists multiplayer trophies (some games are multiplayer only) the make sure trophies are on the path to the same goals players would want to accomplish by playing the game the way it's meant to be played.

This comment was edited on May 31, 2009, 17:26.

I went skulking around some trophy tracking sites and found one guy from France is documented to have 38ish platinum tropies, 2866 trophies total, and is level 18 on the PSN level scale. LOL! That's a TON of trophies. There are a bunch of people from all over the world right behind him too.

This comment was edited on May 31, 2009, 16:46.

Well I just got the platinum trophy on inFAMOUS, what a ride. Still love that game. The thing I like most about trophies on well thought out ones, is the developer can lead a player to some hidden nuances of the game as Evil Timmy was pointing out. Some of them also put you in circumstances that once you figure out certain things, you become a much stronger player overall. Things you most likely would not of learned otherwise. I haven't liked a game this much in years. One of those that reaffirm why you like gaming to begin with. Looking forward to DLC.

That's the perfect spot Blue. The place where good parents are happiest is where all their family comes back together.

I like trophies and achievements but do not let them dictate what I play, how much I play it, or what I do in the game when I am playing it. If a game is reasonable on it's requirements for a Platinum Trophy I will pursue it if I really like the game (this is PS3's top honor on a game, it is awarded when you get every single other trophy possible in a game and they usually have 40-60 trophies).

inFAMOUS will be my first Platinum because the trophy system while demanding, was within the scope of playing the game without have to go online, or do too many off the beaten path tasks. Fallout 3 does a good job of staying on the game path too (I will go back and get platinum in FO3 when I return to play another character). Both games should be looked at as models for how to build the perfect achievement list (I am sure there are other games too). They are in no way easy lists (in inFAMOUS you have to find all 350 collectables) they just do a superior job of staying on task. Yes they both require replaying 2-3 times to get them all (replay is good), but that's much better than being forced to get on the internet and kill 10002 people (EA's Bad Company) for one single trophy.

I play so many different game systems that I don't have the inclination to gain awards for the sake of bragging rights. I do them because they add a new level of challenge that I may or may not pursue. If I really cared I would have 10+ platinum trophies by now. I have been a slave to some nasty treadmills and compulsive traps in the past, the achievement timesink, if you let it suck you in, will have you spending money on games you normally wouldn't, and playing and doing things like a job. Instead you should be enjoying games you really want to play.

Another bad thing about chasing the achievement carrot on a stick, is that it tends to lock people in to the system they started on because they don't want to leave something they worked so hard on (or stop working on it).

There are problems with the current achievement systems to some extent. Playing multiple systems pretty much puts you way outside of any race for achievment collecting. Buying a system after the first year achievements are offered sets you way below the curve with the likelyhood of never being in the race at all.

No matter how resiliant you think you are to the allure of gaining a trophy/achievement, they do have an impact on decision making, even if you are highly resistant. For example, I loved Saint's Row 2. I will gladly go play it again at some point in the future. But somewhere in my brain, I am holding out for the hope that Volition will put trophies in the game. I am even avoiding any DLC purchase because I won't buy them until they do support the game with trophies. This wasn't an entirely concious decision, it was a realization after analyzing why I wasn't buying Saint's Row 2 DLC. So developers, I do believe failure to support an achievement system will impact your bottom line with DLC sales.

Trophies are great to have, as long as you realize it's a marketing tool. If you avoid the compulsive pitfalls, you will keep what is important safe, the joy of playing a game.

This comment was edited on May 30, 2009, 17:19.

Non-concensual PVP. Uses first Crysis engine. Has some low poly areas, and pasted skys. Pass.

This comment was edited on May 30, 2009, 04:01.

I watched my kids play Assassin's Creed, I was bored to tears with it. The movement system was amazing at the time. But as a game, didn't do it for me. Infamous on the other hand, still playing it! Half way through second game as evil. Evil gets all the fun toys. I like how the game models the powers after FPS weapons (grenades, sniper, rocket, even air cannon). This game begs for multiplayer territory war DLC. They call it a super hero game done right. I don't think of this game in any way as a superhero game. It feels like a sci-fi 4400 type game.

I probably played a couple of these and just don't remember. Battletech is 25 years old this year. I don't remember anything mech game-like before that. Unless you include Robot War which was Apple ][ in 1981. It would be nice to have the straight up Battletech turn based game, with all the mechs. Would be a cool multiplayer game for a console.

It sounds like they are making this one like the Xbox Mechwarrior games.

This comment was edited on May 30, 2009, 03:57.

I think gaming markets this year are waaaay better smoothed with releases all year long than any other year I can remember.

Dell, a company so out of touch with the end user product experience that they deserve to go extinct. I would feel bad saying that because people would lose their jobs, but some how I am less remorseful about Polish and Indian employees being out of work.

I remember all those too. And if this new company aint doing anything like those old games, then what they are doing now is in one ear, and out the other for me. I liked the first Tribes, and Incredible Machine. The rest are meh.

Clever way to spin the console war. The flaw is flat population advantage. Should do this in a formula of percentage of units sold. But don't really care as I won't be playing it.

Love Battletech. Love good clones. Not enough about this to love yet. Wanzer? Really? Are all the good ideas taken? Wow... That sounds half dirty and half lame, and I don't know why. I think If I were playing online and I heard someone say "wanzer" on voice I would bust a rib laughing and I still don't know why it strikes me this way.

but can you plug in PC USB flightsticks the way you an with other USB controllers?

You know what, I am not sure! I wil have to look in to it. For games that could be played mouse/keyboard, the individual game has to directly support it. So I imagine with IL-2, it's the same deal. So the real question is, does IL-2 support flightsticks... I will see if I can find out.

Edit: Ok here's the scoop...

http://forum.1cpublishing.eu/showthread.php?t=6510

The Thrustmaster shown on that page is pretty beefy looking. Reminds me of the ole Falcon 3 days.

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I can't give information on PS3 joysticks support now.

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#13 04-08-2009, 08:34 AM
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We are working on it.
Very likely we will support it, yes.
Not 100% sure now.


This comment was edited on May 29, 2009, 15:47.

Wonder if Squeenix will start using Impulse.

This comment was edited on May 29, 2009, 15:23.

That's because Engineering is the number 1 hardest to fill job. Next in line is nurses.

IL-2 day 1 for sure (day 1 big time). Darksiders has my attention but I am still on the fence. The Qore coverage was good. Zombie Apocalypse looks too much like isometric L4D. Mini Ninjas doesn't look that interesting to me.

This comment was edited on May 29, 2009, 15:26.

I loved the first one just like it was and I preferred it on... PC! (ZOMG, who is this guy?!) I don't get why Squeenix is involved. Hopefully they can put a human side in to the game and flesh out some characters. They were good before but some drama would be good. That game was already simplified... Chris, no sound bug on main menu this time ok, please?

This comment was edited on May 29, 2009, 13:28.

Dades, Prototype will not be a substitute for inFAMOUS and PS3 owns Xbox.

There, now you had some conflict, go find a set of worry beads or something.