This might get a bit long so my apologies to those who are uninterested. Move along, nothing to see here!
Nope - alcohol is not illegal unless you are drinking and driving, under the age of 18, drunk in public (in some cities), give some to a minor, etc.
Once again the question is, why is alcohol OK/legal and marijuana is bad/illegal? You seem to be saying alcohol is OK because
it is legal. So why doesn't marijuana deserve the same status. Take the following sentences:
"I enjoy using alcohol because it makes me feel good. It can alter my perceptions and ability to do some tasks effectively such as driving so I will limit when and where I use it and there should be laws explicity explaining under what circumstances its use should be prohibited and who should be allowed access (i.e. no one under 21). I understand that using alcohol may not be healthy for me but it is a personal choice and so long as I do no harm to others I should be free to indulge."
Now replace every instance of "alcohol" in the above sentences with "marijuana". Are any of these statements less valid?
When they make it legal to smoke, I still won't smoke it.
Of course you won't. It's your personal choice and you are entitled to it. I would like to have that choice as well and not have it made for me.
The point is, it isn't "as harmless" as you guys always say it is. Period.
Make alcohol, cigarettes, fatty foods, skydiving, etc, illegal and I will drop the argument.
If the common dope smoker wouldn't commit other crimes (or be involved in other drugs), I would be fine with it.
I don't believe the "common" dope smoker is commiting crimes beyond posession of a controlled substance. Show me statistics that prove otherwise. I've know many
users of marijuana over the years and the vast majority of them were not criminals and lived healthy, happy, productive lives.
I also have a brother who is heavy into weed and has been his whole life.
And I'm sure that has a lot to do with your negative attitude towards the subject. I understand that. My wife's father was a miserable alcoholic so you can imagine that she doesn't have the greatest attitude towards drinking.
Are you telling me these people are just fuckups and it just HAPPENS to be that they also smoke dope? Yeah right.
Not knowing any of the individuals you're speaking of, I can not say. By I know well enough from my own experience that there is not neccessarily a corelation between marijuana use and someone being a "fuckup". As previously stated, I've known many responsible, well-adjusted individuals who have used marijuana. It all boils down to the individual.
Your argument of alcohol vs weed is ridiculous. It is like talking about your fav sports team against the Bulls, Celtics, Packers, Patriots, etc. The arguments always end up, "Yeah, well your team hasn't won as many championships as my team X". It is tired, and it has no basis what so ever.
Well, I don't really get the sports analogy but I strongly disagree with your assertion that comparing weed to alcohol is ridiculous. They are both drugs. They both alter your capabilities. They both have health risks. The only
differences that I see is that one is legal and the other is not, and, the one that is legal is much
more dangerous. All you have to do is google "alcohol related deaths" to get some statistics on the matter. To argue that marijuana is worse than alcohol is to ignore the facts.
Is alcohol bad? Yes.
Is sugar bad? Yes.
Is having unprotected sex bad? Yes.
Is everyone in this country allowed to procreate? Yes.
Fortunatley (well, not the last one), the 4 above are legal. Weed is not.
Drugs are not.
End of argument.
And unfortunately, this is where I am convinced that no amount of discussion will ever sway your feelings. In that one paragraph of yours you illustrate with great clarity the double-standard that exists. Alcohol is
bad. Alcohol is
a drug. Yet it is legal and accepted by society even though it is proven worse than marijuana. The fact that you don't recognize the double-standard is what tells me I'll never convince you otherwise.
See the thing about it, is usually we can have a great discussion, but then asshats like you get involved. Love it.
I'm hoping you were talking about another poster (I think that you were) but I am always willing to have an intelligent discussion on the subject.
"Road Toll is Lowest since 1945"
Same can't be said about smoking over the counter cigs
The article states:
"A crackdown on drunken drivers, increased citations and an early response to accidents have led to the fewest Minnesotans dying on state roadways since World War II, experts say. In 2006, 475
people were killed, the lowest number of traffic fatalities since 449 people died in 1945".
So it sounds to me like at least
400 people die every year in Minnesota (what are the national numbers?) from drunk driving. Are you saying that there are more fatalities due to marijuana use? I really need to see some sources before I'm ready to believe that.
/edit - OK, just re-read your previous statement and saw you were comparing drunk-driving deaths to cigarette deaths. I'm not sure how this applies to the discussion of marijuana but suffice it to say, yes, cigarettes cause many, many deaths. Yet, like alcohol, it is legal. Marijuana, much safer than either of the two, is not. Why???
should we legalize dope and outlaw alcohol and nicotine?
There are just as many, in fact more, reasons to outlaw alcohol and cigarettes. Until we do, marijuana should not be illegal.
pop me an e-mai if you don't mind.
Nothing personal, batman, but given our opposing views on the subject I would prefer to keep the discussion in a public forum. After all, my goal is to share my viewpoints with others who oppose legalization. If you do not wish to continue discussion of the matter that is fine. I do understand that your particular profession probably puts you in an awkward position to discuss the matter publically and I can respect that.
Prohibition creates the crime. Period.
Which is why we have no problems at all with alcohol now that it isn't prohibited, right?
Never made that claim. However, history has proven that prohibition creates more
problems. It is far from any kind of a solution.
Again, sorry for the long rant everybody! This comment was edited on Jan 12, 11:04.