This whole Blu-Ray thing has really empowered the Sony fanboi crowd.

And apparently ruffled the feathers of the anti-PS3 crowd.

That's no spin at all, it's the truth

Oh, I don't doubt that there were PS3s sitting on shelves gathering dust. What I do doubt, is the claim that the PS3 did as well as the 360 only because of supply constraints on the 360. Maybe it depends on where you live (NJ here), but during no point since the 360's release was I unable to find one in stores.

As has also been pointed out, the 360 was supply constrained during much of that time. In its first year, PS3s were gathering dust on shelves.

Keep that spin machine going.

Here's a mathematical fact: The PS3 doesn't need to reach parity with the 360 in sales, it needs to generate more sales in order to make up for the existing gap in units

Here's a fact: The PS3 doesn't need to reach anything. It simply needs to remain a viable platform that developers are willing to create titles for. At 9,000,000+ units sold, I don't think anybody except you and like-minded "fanbois" (your word, not mine) expect Sony to have any problems keeping the PS3 alive and well.

This "wait and see" attitude that PS3 cheerleaders like to spout can only last so long.

Who's waiting anymore? There are plenty of excellent games available for the PS3, both exclusive and multi-platform. All of the major developers are on board and committed to the platform. Do you bother to look at upcoming releases? Many would argue that the PS3 2008 lineup looks a hell of a lot more promising than the 360's.

No need for you to feel threatened. Enjoy your 360. Just accept the fact that millions of us are just as equally enjoying our PS3s. Let's talk again this time next year and see whose perspective was more on the money.

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They want to at least get it out there that their system isn't dead.

I don't think anyone, beyond the hardcore naysayers, actually believes the PS3 is dead or dying. A year ago I guess that question was more open to speculation but now, with over 9 million consoles in peoples hands, I'd say it is safe to say that the PS3 is in it for the long haul. As was stated in a previous post, you don't need to control the majority of the market in order to be viable. All you have to do is look at Apple for a perfect example of that.

It sure as hell wasn't Sony's master plan to be where they are today in terms of PS3 sales.

As has been stated over and over again, the PS3's first year sales are higher than the 360's were in its first year. Bear in mind that the 360 had no competition at the time and the PS3 was significantly higher priced when it was first released. Yet, the PS3 has still managed to perform on par with the 360. Now factor in the new lower price, likely adoption of Blu-ray as the new HD standard disc format, people's frustration with the 360's hardware issues, and the PS3's much improved game lineup and it becomes clear that the PS3 will only continue to thrive.

Only time will tell.

This comment was edited on Jan 25, 23:02.

For someone that needs HD, Blue Ray, bells whistles, and free blow jobs (which you SHOULD get by paying that much for a console), BlueToth (why?), etc etc etc then by all means get a PS3.

Isn't the cheapest 360 that includes a hard drive (which I'm assuming you would want) like only $50 cheaper than the 40GB PS3? The elite is $50 more. I'd say you're definitely getting a better value for your dollar with the PS3. Not saying that means you have to prefer it to owning a 360 but when people site the cost as a deciding factor it's a bit of a flawed argument at this point in time.

Don't discount LIVE as a huge advantage Xbox has over PS3. I don't see Sony rolling out anything that competes with it. Not for free anyway.

I take it you're not aware of Home then? It should address most of the current "shortcomings" of PSN and more. Sony releases updates all of the time. One of the most often requested features, in-game XMB, is slated for the next update. Sony listens to its customers and tends to deliver. All of this at no extra cost.

I also didn't want to have to deal with the likelihood of hardware issues with the 360.

This is what boggles my mind the most. Even with all of the horror stories from people with multiple units failing within months of replacements, people still want to support/defend Microsoft. Can you imagine any other company with a 30% failure rate of one of their biggest products getting cut as much slack as Microsoft gets? If a car or a television had that kind of failure rate, there would most likely be recalls and/or lemon law class action suits.


This comment was edited on Jan 25, 20:41.

Yeah but which one? Is the PS3 finally going to show it's alleged extra beef over the 360? Or is it being developed with the 360 in mind and will be a 'port' over to the PS3?

I was wondering the same thing. This seems like it would be a good opportunity for the PS3 to shine with it's multiple SPEs distributing the workload of the various techs that the game utilizes.

This comment was edited on Jan 25, 15:10.

Blue, just out of curiosity, why does certain punctuation seem to get dropped much of the time from link text, usually in the form of a missing colon or comma? Many times it changes the meaning of the title or is just plain confusing. For example:

"Cancer Data Sorry, Can't Have It."

So what is it that the cancer data won't let us have? At least it is sorry about it.

Anyway, I'm not criticizing, was just wondering.

Not quite as ambiguous as you think. If you sit through the credits...

Well, unless you're one of the talented few who can decipher backwards playing audio, then I'd say it's still pretty ambiguous for most people.

Who wants choice and freedom anyway, silly consumers...

When Blu-ray movies are outselling HD DVD movies by more than 2 to 1 it seems pretty clear to me that consumers DID make a choice.

a recent survey that showed that '60% of PS3 owners didn't even know it was a blu ray drive, and those that did hadn't used it for that purpose the last 10 times they'd turned the machine on

I always hear about these supposed polls. I guess they should have asked a few more people as I and my friends who own PS3s are all buying and watching Blu-ray movies. In fact, I don't know any PS3 owners who haven't bought at least one Blu-ray movie [insert lame "that's because the PS3 has no games" comment here]. As I stated originally, somebody must be buying Blu-ray movies for it to hold a 2 to 1 sales advantage over HD DVD (3 to 1 and even 4 to 1 in some areas). You think maybe, just maybe, the 8,000,000+ PS3 owners might have something to do with that?


This comment was edited on Jan 9, 13:42.

hddvd still has the most stand alone players in the market, and the most affordable ones too.

Every time I hear this I have the urge to smash something! THE PS3 IS A BLU-RAY PLAYER!!! (Sorry for shouting ;)) Why does everyone continue to continually ignore this fact like it doesn't have any impact on the format war? Blu-ray movies outsell HD DVD by more than 2 to 1 worldwide. So who do you think is buying all these movies if not PS3 owners? Sheesh!


This comment was edited on Jan 8, 15:04.

http://www.highdefdigest.com/news/show/Warner/Warner:_No_Payoff_for_Move_to_Blu-ray/1327

Downloadable content is the future. Fuck the disks and the scratches.

Certainly not in the near future. Broadband isn't as common as you might think and the time it would take to download a full HD movie would be too prohibitive for many people. Add to that fact that most people I know prefer to own the physical media. Downloadable content ties you to an internet connection and lacks the portability of disc-based media. And before you counter with "but I could always burn them to disc after downloading", remember that you were arguing against discs in the first place. As far as scratching is concerned, BDs have a special coating that makes them very scratch resistant. That being said, all of my DVDs, many bought years ago, are just as playable today as when I first bought them and I took no special precautions beyond common sense handling of the discs.


This comment was edited on Jan 6, 11:52.

Prices of both HD-DVDs and BDs were kept down because of the competition. There would not have been 99$ HD-DVD players if it wasn't to win the fight against Bluray.

The price of Blu-ray players will still be driven down due to the competition between manufacturers. You don't still pay $500 for a DVD player do you?


This comment was edited on Jan 6, 11:58.

"occasionally I grab the Wii of my sister"

That one's just too easy so I'll leave it be.

Guess I need to hurry up and finish COD4 and Uncharted.

Unless you are storing a lot of HD videos I think 40GB is plenty. The only other content that may eat up space is the demos which are typically around 1GB. As stated already, it really is a simple matter to upgrade to a larger drive in the future if needed.

In your opinion is it worth it to pay for the 80gig version or the 40 gig do just fine?

It really boils down to whether or not you want backwards compatibility for PS2 games. The only other significant differences between them are 2 fewer USB ports (2 is enough IMO) and lack of a card reader (which you could always add later inexpensively). And if hard drive space is of concern you can easily upgrade that as well.

Smoke some more crack. Are you fucking kidding me? The 360 has absolutely CRUSHED the PS3 in terms of sales.

Did you even bother to read what you replied to? First year sales of the 360 and PS3 are nearly IDENTICAL. Huff some more glue.

To put the shoe on the other foot, if you enjoy your system, why do you care what other people say?

I addressed that in a previous post. Negative word of mouth does not help things out especially when that word of mouth is based on false premises (e.g. the PS3 has no games). If enough people buy into that, then sales suffer. If sales suffer, then developers may think twice about investing their time and money in the platform. When that happens, the console dies. So, as a PS3 owner, I have a vested interest in seeing it succeed. For the life of me, I haven't got a clue whats in it for the bashers. So my original question still stands, how does bashing my system help you enjoy yours any more?

Do you need positive reinforcement from other people to justify your purchase? I don't.

No, I don't for the reasons I just explained.


This comment was edited on Nov 21, 21:00.