So they want your PS3 to be a tivo?

There is nothing the PS3 can't do!

Personally, there isn't a released title in that list I'm going to buy a PS3 for.

Anyone who buys any console just for one game needs to have their head examined. No single game is worth spending $400+ on .

So tell me you two brainiacs which of these titles still needs to be released that aren't AAA and didn't do well for Sony...

Best to give it up Dagok. Folks around hear don't want to be confronted with facts when talking about the PS3. They will tell you that none of those titles are AAA (despite any GOTY nominations) and will continue to hoist Halo 3 upon a pedestal as a an example of the greatest console game. They would much prefer to live in their own little world where the 360 is, and forever will be, the only console worth owning. Even with a 30% failure rate, you will never convince them otherwise.

This comment was edited on Feb 9, 16:20.

The results are the same as the 360 version, yet no one has to "learn" how to make games for the 360.

And you've probably seen all you're going to see from the 360. Developers have barely scratched the surface in terms of what the of the PS3 is capable of.

http://arstechnica.com/journals/thumbs.ars/2007/10/30/getting-technical-with-naughty-dog-co-president-christophe-balestra
"we’re only using 30 percent of the power of the Cell, so there’s more to do. We already have very sophisticated technology and we'll push to the next level for our next game." - Naughty Dog

It's just fucking retarded to do it that way. Production costs are already enough without the added overhead of learning a new system.

Obviously, if it was "fucking retarded" and cost prohibitive, then companies wouldn't be making games for the PS3, which isn't the case. Take a look at the 2008 lineup to see how dedicated developers are to the platform.

If someone ever makes a game that is significantly more impressive visually, fine I'll accept that.

Already on the way (e.g. Little Big Planet). The best looking games on the PS3 right now are better looking than the best looking 360 games (e.g. Uncharted).

The new FF engine is supposed to take advantage of the stupid core of the PS3

Your characterization of the PS3's core as "stupid" is very telling of your bias. All I can say is lets wait and see how the situation develops over the next year. The PS3 was designed for the long term. I'm sure Microsoft will be more than willing to try and sell you a new console well before the useful lifespan of the PS3 is up.

This comment was edited on Feb 7, 20:15.

Consider the source dude.

I am considering the source - professional developers who make games for a living, not only that, but top caliber games like Call of Duty 4 and Uncharted.

Nobody is denying that learning a new architecture takes time and effort but, if a developer with the credentials like those of Infinity Ward proclaims that making COD4 for the PS3 wasn't hard, I am more than willing to take them at their word. It helps when they have a AAA title out to show the fruits of their labor.

Everything is "difficult" when you don't know how to do it. Some people are better at learning new techs than others. Apparently, the devs at EA are having a harder time then the devs I identified in my previous post. Compare the numerous shoddy EA ports to Infinty Ward's Call of Duty 4 (which is not a port). Both dev teams have the same tools available to them so obviously the difference must be in the skills/abilities of the individual developers.

This comment was edited on Feb 7, 14:00.

It's well known that the PS3 is more difficult to develop for.

http://www.psu.com/PS3-development-was-easy,-says-COD4-developer--a0001806-p0.php

http://www.gamegrep.com/news/4238-capcom_says_ps3_is_easy_to_work_with/

http://news.absolute-playstation.com/sony/news/ps3-uncharted-devs-answer-gamer-questions-full-transcript
"we really enjoy working on PS3 and I don't think it's harder than any other machine. - Naughty Dog VP, Christophe Balestra


It's not difficult, simply different.

This comment was edited on Feb 7, 13:08.

Well, I personally like boobs.

I don't mind seeing them in movies or games at all. I kind of like it.

What about man-boobs? I think they need to draw the line somewhere.

personally, I think if ATI and nVidia hadn't gotten greedy and started charging 400-600 bucks for the high end video cards. People wouldn't have gotten turned off by PC and moved over to consoles.

There used to be a time when 200 bucks could net you the best video card in existence in the TNT/TNT2 days even the Voodoo2 add on cards didn't go higher than that I believe.

But at some point, the cost of video cards skyrocketed. And then they tacked on stupid gimmicks like SLI and Quad SLI. People bought right into it too, believing they had to have it or else they'd be missing out, which was total bullshit.

No wonder people got sick of PC gaming.

QFT

And to call console gamers stupid? Please...

Yeah, my 10-year-old fights like that too.

if they dropped the pc to play fps on a console, then they were never hardcore, they were poseurs at best. but hey, the more casual gamers that drop the pc due to "expense" and "headache", the better. eventually only the true gamers will be left.

Hardcore? Poseurs? True gamers? Get real. You guys crack me up with your gangsta attitude. Never forget, we are all gaming geeks whatever your particular platform of choice.

anyone else psyched about LOST tonight?

Absolutely! Definitely a lot more than that football thingy this Sunday.

"except for the online multiplayer"

Wouldn't that be a pretty big sticking point?

I'd say that's probably the number one reason for going online if the first place.

Wow - I missed out on a nice pissin' match.

Well, some of us try to keep the level of piss to a minimum and just stick to facts but, whatever.

As for the games someone mentioned (which have gotten good scores, except Devil May Cry 4 as isn't it not out yet, and also coming out for the 360?), are any of them a reason to purchase a PS3?

On no platform do I find any one game that makes me want to drop several hundred dollars. What single game would make me want to spend $350 on a 360? Halo 3? No thanks. Mass Effect? Meh, not my cup of tea. It is the collection of games that makes a system worth buying and as the list of games I provided indicates, there is a significant library of good games. Of course, it's all a matter of opinion but if a game is getting good reviews from multiple reviewers, that's a pretty good indication of it being a worthy purchase assuming it's of a genre of your liking. And I mention Devil May Cry 4 because I've played the demo, read previews, and every indication is that this is going to be a quality title. Yes, on both platforms. What is everyone's obsession with only focusing on system exclusives? Does that make the PS3 any less of a system? I don't get it.

Reason I ask is cause I have looked at purchasing a PS3, and the only games that were for me a 'system seller' was Warhawk and Lair. That was before Warhawk became a Multiplayer only game, and after Lair's reviews came in.

Once again you're talking about personal preference. I happen to think Warhawk is great. I wanted a multiplayer shooter and Warhawk fits the bill admirably. Not only that, it was only $40 game via download. Apparently there is something wrong with me because I can't stand Halo 3. My friend has it and I played for all of about 20 minutes before becoming utterly bored with it. For all the hype surrounding it, I was extremely underwhelmed. Doesn't mean the people that like it are wrong.

And as for my comments about the PS3 being stupid? Honestly you sound like a typical Sony Fanboi you see over in the Gamefaqs.com message boards.

Pot meet kettle.

But a fine example of the PS3's flaws is with UT. As mentioned by people on these boards there are framerate issues when compaired to the PC Demo.

I own UT3 for PS3. There are no frame rate issues. Read some reviews. One of the things most of them agree on is that UT3 on the PS3 has a stable and consistent frame rate. Now obviously, a decked out gaming rig will be capable of better gaming experience than either a PS3 or a 360 (as well it should) but we are talking consoles here. And I can say without hesitation that anyone who faults PS3 UT3 from a technical standpoint are trying way too hard to find something wrong with it. It looks and runs great.

Now why would there be any issues at all if Epic claimed that it was easy to program for?

Bearing my previous point in mind, then are you suggesting Epic are lying about the issue? If they say it's easy (as Infinity Ward has also stated) why should I doubt them? Seems to me if there really were performance issues with UT3, blaming the difficulty of programing the PS3 would be a handy excuse to help protect your image. But as I said, the technical issues you bring up simply don't exist, at least in my experience.

The PS3 has alot of horse power on paper, but actually getting that out of the unit seems to be another issue.

And that horsepower shows in the games if you actually look and don't focus only on the failures of those who haven't figured things out yet (e.g. EA). Uncharted, Ratchet and Clank, UT3, COD4, Heavenly Sword, etc. are all prime examples of great looking/performing games. Many developers that have released PS3 games have said you ain't seen nothing yet. It's a new tech and the games will only get better. Compare release titles on the PS2 to the newest titles to see programmer evolution in action. It'll be the same thing with the PS3 but the "next-gen" games are already here.

when I'm putting down 500 bucks plus 60 bucks a game I do my homework on what I'm going to get for that money, and long term.

As well you should. And everything I've said doesn't mean the PS3 is right for you. Personal tatse counts for much. But trying to write off the PS3 as a technical failure is at best, a severe case of being misinformed (which is why I like to post in order to correct any misinformation), or at worst, a severe case on fanboy trolling (I'll give you the benefit of the doubt here).

As to your point about your purchase being a long term one, IMHO, I think the PS3 is by far the safest long term bet among all 3 consoles.


This comment was edited on Jan 29, 09:04.

This wasn't even about whats a better system.

These discussions rarely start out that way but there always seems to be the PS3 detractors in the wings just waiting to pounce with their anti-PS3 rhetoric.

This was originally about one person asking about the PS3 and the Blu-Ray playback

Hopefully, he got something useful out of this but it can definitely be frustrating having to constantly counter the barrage of PS3 hate while simply trying to help someone.

This comment was edited on Jan 28, 22:18.

so as far as I can tell you're just PS3 fanboys who only reads positive PS3 news.

Since you said "fanboys" plural and I'm talking positively about the PS3 I'll assume I'm being lumped in with that statement. That being said, apparently valid points about the PS3 being a quality system with good games on it seems to be a bitter pill for many people to swallow. So forgive us if we feel a need to counter all the (unjust) PS3 hate on this board with a little PS3 love.

I don't see anyone here saying it's a suck ass game system other than you.

See post #22.

but as a game console it sucks ass.

With titles like UT3, Uncharted, Racthet and Clank, COD4, MotorStorm, Burnout Paradise, Devil May Cry 4, Warhawk, etc., I find your notion that the PS3 "sucks ass" as laughable.

Other than Epic with their qualified "praise" everyone else mentions it being a bitch to code for.

Call of Duty 4 developer, Infinity Ward, claims PS3 development was easy - http://www.psu.com/PS3-development-was-easy,-says-COD4-developer--a0001806-p0.php

Hard or easy is a matter of perspective and wholly dependent upon the skill of the developer and a willingness to learn something new. Things change, hopefully for the better. The old way of doing things isn't necessarily the best way. I'm glad there are companies willing to push boundaries. This is how technology evolves.

This comment was edited on Jan 28, 21:22.

If you are getting a BR player and don't get a PS3, I think you are wasting your $$$.

While I agree that the PS3 is currently the best choice, as to whether or not any alternative player represents wasted money really depends on the end user. If all you want is to be able to watch movie and play some of the speacial features, then a 1.0 or 1.1 may be all you need. While I have a PS3 and will be ready for 2.0, I honestly don't ever see myself using the PIP functionality that the new spec brings.

The agency said the show was indecent because "it depicts sexual organs and excretory organs — specifically an adult woman's buttocks."

If ABC wanted to get technical, they could easily prove that buttocks are neither "sexual organs" or "excretory organs". Honestly, is anyone actually offended by a butt, goatse aside?

This comment was edited on Jan 27, 15:10.