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News Comments > Star Citizen Ship Explosion Trailer
80. Re: Star Citizen Ship Explosion Trailer Oct 10, 2015, 03:10 Flatline
 
Creston wrote on Oct 9, 2015, 22:36:
Flatline wrote on Oct 9, 2015, 17:16:
theyarecomingforyou wrote on Oct 9, 2015, 12:37:
This is a video from the third-party contractor working with CIG for facial animations: https://vimeo.com/122667590

As for the explosions, they look pretty awesome to me.

KILL IT KILL IT WITH FIRE

That landed so squarely in the uncanny valley that it made me shiver.

That's incredible animation, but I'm not sure that it's any better than the technology Rockstar showed off in LA Noire almost five years ago... Kinda wonder why that never caught on (cost probably.)


I'd say it's better than LA Noire. LA Noire was basically the talking heads in Disneyland's Haunted Mansion. They had a head shaped model and projected a movie of a real face onto it. Yeah it was more difficult than that but the face would do some really weird swimming. Plus, most games don't need to express nonverbal empathy cues the way that LA Noire needed.

The thing that animation needs to have is not just facial movement but the whole body. Ramrod stiff heads and bodies that don't fucking twitch sets off my creep meter severely.

It's actually not particularly more technically advanced than high quality character renders recently. It is just higher fidelity.

The next big breakthrough in animation is going to be figuring out how to take all that emotion and non-verbal cues and turn that into a solution that is economical enough that pushing photo realistic digital human characters passes the uncanny valley.

Sort of how the big breakthrough in Snow Crash's matrix was the addition of nonverbal cues. Neil Stephenson was right.
 
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News Comments > Star Citizen Ship Explosion Trailer
68. Re: Star Citizen Ship Explosion Trailer Oct 9, 2015, 18:40 Flatline
 
Vall Forran wrote on Oct 9, 2015, 18:01:
Flatline wrote on Oct 9, 2015, 17:45:
Vall Forran wrote on Oct 9, 2015, 17:39:
Flatline wrote on Oct 9, 2015, 17:16:
theyarecomingforyou wrote on Oct 9, 2015, 12:37:
This is a video from the third-party contractor working with CIG for facial animations: https://vimeo.com/122667590

As for the explosions, they look pretty awesome to me.

KILL IT KILL IT WITH FIRE

That landed so squarely in the uncanny valley that it made me shiver.

...Because we'd rather have "It's a bomb!" from Deus Ex. Jesus.

Seriously? All I said is that it hit the uncanny valley. The textures and the actual facial animations look great. There's no body language though and it looks so good that my brain expects there to be more nonverbal communication and recoils when there isn't.

Take a fucking pill dude. In order for something to hit the uncanny valley it has to be of a certain very high quality by definition.

Apologies..."KILL IT WITH FIRE" was taken the wrong way...

No sweat. That's just how you kill all alien pod people who are devoid of emotion. From Alien to The Thing to Invasion of the Body Snatchers (the remake)
 
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News Comments > Star Citizen Ship Explosion Trailer
66. Re: Star Citizen Ship Explosion Trailer Oct 9, 2015, 17:49 Flatline
 
As far as the video, the nitpicky geek in me points out that the vertical shock wave in those explosions has no reason to actually originate from where it does on the ship. They just put it there because it's symmetrical. It probably should be emanating either from the power reactor or the weakest part of the ship depending on how you choose to describe the physics of the explosion.

The 90's called though and want their lens flares back.
 
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News Comments > Star Citizen Ship Explosion Trailer
65. Re: Star Citizen Ship Explosion Trailer Oct 9, 2015, 17:45 Flatline
 
Vall Forran wrote on Oct 9, 2015, 17:39:
Flatline wrote on Oct 9, 2015, 17:16:
theyarecomingforyou wrote on Oct 9, 2015, 12:37:
This is a video from the third-party contractor working with CIG for facial animations: https://vimeo.com/122667590

As for the explosions, they look pretty awesome to me.

KILL IT KILL IT WITH FIRE

That landed so squarely in the uncanny valley that it made me shiver.

...Because we'd rather have "It's a bomb!" from Deus Ex. Jesus.

Seriously? All I said is that it hit the uncanny valley. The textures and the actual facial animations look great. There's no body language though and it looks so good that my brain expects there to be more nonverbal communication and recoils when there isn't.

Take a fucking pill dude. In order for something to hit the uncanny valley it has to be of a certain very high quality by definition.
 
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News Comments > Sid Meier's Civilization: Beyond Earth - Rising Tide Rises
2. Re: Sid Meier's Civilization: Beyond Earth - Rising Tide Rises Oct 9, 2015, 17:41 Flatline
 
theyarecomingforyou wrote on Oct 9, 2015, 12:31:
Looks... underwhelming.

Agreed. I really, really wanted to like Beyond Earth but it fell really flat.
 
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News Comments > Star Citizen Ship Explosion Trailer
62. Re: Star Citizen Ship Explosion Trailer Oct 9, 2015, 17:16 Flatline
 
theyarecomingforyou wrote on Oct 9, 2015, 12:37:
This is a video from the third-party contractor working with CIG for facial animations: https://vimeo.com/122667590

As for the explosions, they look pretty awesome to me.

KILL IT KILL IT WITH FIRE

That landed so squarely in the uncanny valley that it made me shiver.
 
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News Comments > Voice Actors Authorize Strike
19. Re: Voice Actors Authorize Strike Oct 8, 2015, 13:27 Flatline
 
PHJF wrote on Oct 8, 2015, 13:06
If they want to be paid more, they can argue for more up front or per session. [/quote:

Er... isn't that what they're doing? Arguing up front for more money?
 
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News Comments > CIG Demands Escapist Retraction; Threatens Lawsuit
206. Re: CIG Demands Escapist Retraction; Threatens Lawsuit Oct 7, 2015, 16:42 Flatline
 
theyarecomingforyou wrote on Oct 6, 2015, 16:31:
But seriously, did you actually bring up Freespace Open in a topic about Star Citizen? At least Elite: Dangerous is in the same ballpark; Freespace Open looks like it's from the 90s... because it is.

20 years and 100 million dollars later and I still enjoy the combat in Freespace 2 more than Arena Commander.
 
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News Comments > No SC Retraction from The Escapist
110. Re: No SC Retraction from The Escapist Oct 7, 2015, 15:42 Flatline
 
Vio wrote on Oct 7, 2015, 15:20:
So I guess this is the perfect time to get a update: can you warp between systems yet?

As long as your target and origin system are the same absolutely.
 
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News Comments > Far Cry Primal Announced
10. Re: Far Cry Primal Announced Oct 6, 2015, 13:52 Flatline
 
The Half Elf wrote on Oct 6, 2015, 13:34:
Setting is unique, but I just don't see it being fun beyond rock, spear, fire, bow.

I don't even see how that would be sufficient to kill a pissed off feral hog. Boarspears were like 14 feet long with prongs for a reason.

If they're smart they'll come up with an elaborate trap system that uses basic components you can combine in a sandboxy sort of way.
 
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News Comments > CIG Demands Escapist Retraction; Threatens Lawsuit
180. Re: CIG Demands Escapist Retraction; Threatens Lawsuit Oct 5, 2015, 23:49 Flatline
 
Kxmode wrote on Oct 5, 2015, 22:51:
eRe4s3r wrote on Oct 5, 2015, 21:45:
Technically CIG can sue in the UK and thus, in the EU.

According to their Terms of Services they can't.

XXII. Disputes & Binding Arbitration
E. Location
Any arbitration shall be initiated in the County of Los Angeles, State of California, United States of America. Any Dispute not subject to arbitration, or where no election to arbitrate has been made, shall be decided by a court of competent jurisdiction within the County of Los Angeles, State of California, United States of America, and you and RSI agree to submit to the personal jurisdiction of that court. The application of the United Nations Convention on Contracts for the International Sale of Goods is expressly excluded.

- Cloud Imperium in headquartered in Santa Monica, CA, 90401.
- The Escapist's phone number is (212)244-4307 which is the same number as their parent company Defy Media who is located in New York. They have an office in Los Angeles.

Basically there's no way this would be a EU case. It wouldn't even be a New York case. Everything would happen in the County of Los Angeles, State of California, United States of America; which is under the legal jurisdiction of California. Actually any backer is protected under specific California laws because those are the laws Cloud Imperium must operate under.

TOS only applies if you're entered into a contract/agreement with CIG. And Escapist probably isn't.
 
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News Comments > CIG Demands Escapist Retraction; Threatens Lawsuit
179. Re: CIG Demands Escapist Retraction; Threatens Lawsuit Oct 5, 2015, 23:48 Flatline
 
eRe4s3r wrote on Oct 5, 2015, 21:45:
In the EU laws are different. And as journalist you better have DAMN SOLID PROOF if you claim criminal actions that someone else commits. Otherwise you can pay up to a few million . Google Kachelmann + Bild for example, and UK has even more severe punishments.

Technically CIG can sue in the UK and thus, in the EU.

From pure entertainment standpoint, I'd be curious if CIG would actually do that though, since a court would *check* if the allegations are true.

Popehat totally covers this. Go read the article.
 
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News Comments > CIG Demands Escapist Retraction; Threatens Lawsuit
130. Re: CIG Demands Escapist Retraction; Threatens Lawsuit Oct 5, 2015, 16:53 Flatline
 
theyarecomingforyou wrote on Oct 5, 2015, 16:28:
Who says they need any more money?

Chris Roberts.

Edit:

Here's a thing: November 2014 he says SC will have a budget of at least 100 million by the time it ships. Which is a number they haven't crossed yet.

https://tinyurl.com/qf77ya7
 
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News Comments > CIG Demands Escapist Retraction; Threatens Lawsuit
129. Re: CIG Demands Escapist Retraction; Threatens Lawsuit Oct 5, 2015, 16:51 Flatline
 
jdreyer wrote on Oct 5, 2015, 16:13:
Flatline wrote on Oct 5, 2015, 15:59:
Actually the legal threat was dated Oct 1st, so the response may have been with the letter in mind.

Chris's original response to the Escapist article was posted Oct 1, but the legal response was posted Oct 4 on the same page.

I was going by the date on the letter. Which was the 1st. If it was emailed/scanned/overnighted it's possible that it reached Escapist before the response.

Shit you're right it was written on October 2nd my bad.
 
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News Comments > CIG Demands Escapist Retraction; Threatens Lawsuit
119. Re: CIG Demands Escapist Retraction; Threatens Lawsuit Oct 5, 2015, 15:59 Flatline
 
jdreyer wrote on Oct 5, 2015, 15:57:
Timmeh wrote on Oct 5, 2015, 15:55:
here is escapist response...

Escapist update

That pretty much slams the door in the face of CR and the claims of people thinking this is all DS. Its obvious DS was just in the know with some of these people and maybe others.

Something anyone invested with the game should care about.

These are real ex and current employees and i for one accept that these people are basically telling the truth. (because i live in the real world)



Yeah, that came out before CR's legal threat. I'd like to see their response to the legal threat. Although a proper response is to let your lawyer handle it, so we'd probably hear nothing.

Actually the legal threat was dated Oct 1st, so the response may have been with the letter in mind.
 
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News Comments > CIG Demands Escapist Retraction; Threatens Lawsuit
114. Re: CIG Demands Escapist Retraction; Threatens Lawsuit Oct 5, 2015, 15:45 Flatline
 
theyarecomingforyou wrote on Oct 5, 2015, 14:32:
So to avoid bad press CIG decided to draw attention to a negative article in the hopes it would increase funding? Seems legit. The non-cynic would suggest that Chris Roberts is outraged that his wife has been attacked and is doing everything he can to defend her but then that doesn't fit the conspiracy theories people love around here.

1. You're assuming that further purchases/investments are due to a steadily expanding market share. We don't have the numbers, so it's pure conjecture on our part one way or another. But I suspect between major releases and modules there's a big slump in market share growth. It's people already franchised into the game that probably provide the lion's share of money.

2. That occurred to me too, but if that was the case why did CR respond the way he did (as quoted by the Escapist) and then have his co-founder write a letter that threatened to lawyer up the day after being approached?

Most people who were pissed would default straight to the lawyering up/C&D demand. Unless of course the Escapist sent him a version that didn't contain allegations against his wife. Which actually would be easily provable.
 
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News Comments > CIG Demands Escapist Retraction; Threatens Lawsuit
111. Re: CIG Demands Escapist Retraction; Threatens Lawsuit Oct 5, 2015, 15:31 Flatline
 
theyarecomingforyou wrote on Oct 5, 2015, 12:40:
Do you really think that The Escapist wants to stand behind the article, which has no journalistic integrity and is only hurting its reputation, to spend potentially large amounts of money defending it when they could simply remove it? It's not like they can't post another article that is properly researched and stands up to scrutiny. They would be better apologising for the article and cutting all ties with the author rather than letting this drag on and destroying the reputation of the site.

Actually no they wouldn't. Retracting the story and then reissuing it would be a *terrible* idea, because then you really could demonstrate malice and forethought if you were CIG. It'd be a "See even when they got it wrong they kept coming after us" argument.

Once you retract, you're done. Some other institution has to pick the ball up at that point. You don't see Rolling Stone re-issue another "rape on campus" story do you?
 
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News Comments > CIG Demands Escapist Retraction; Threatens Lawsuit
63. Re: CIG Demands Escapist Retraction; Threatens Lawsuit Oct 5, 2015, 12:33 Flatline
 
It occurs to me that CIG might have bent over and grabbed it's ankles by publicly accusing Derek Smart of being "behind" the Escapist article. Because if the article is accurate, that shows deliberate intentional malice on CIG's part to distract from a rocky internal situation.

I mean, it'd be hard to prove still. But if the article turns out to be legit it could feasibly be the precursor to a lot of dirty laundry being aired.

In general writing that 5 page temper tantrum rant was a Bad Idea regardless of how unprofessional the Escapist article might have been.
 
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News Comments > CIG Demands Escapist Retraction; Threatens Lawsuit
56. Re: CIG Demands Escapist Retraction; Threatens Lawsuit Oct 5, 2015, 12:09 Flatline
 
Xil wrote on Oct 5, 2015, 11:55:
Either way, it would be cool if the project would succeed and it probably could have if they had stopped at (wild guess) the 10 million dollar stretch goal and not piled up more and more.

If memory serves the 10 million dollar mark was the point of like... more systems and the ability to tune your ships engines like a car engine and stuff like that. Stuff that hasn't even been implemented yet.

And I think everyone would be understanding if the project was far enough along to encounter *those* bumps in the road. But so far we have an alpha (sorry final release) of the flight model in Arena Commander with 2 whole space cubes, a super visual fidelity graphical chat room, and a shitty FPS pre-alpha demo. Half the basic mechanics haven't even reached alpha yet, unless CIG is seriously keeping the entire game under wraps.

I backed the game and still have my cash in it but I'm not expecting much at this point. I hate the flight model and the obvious bias towards mouse and keyboard and haven't especially touched Arena Commander in ages. I also hate that it's like a 45 gig download every time there's a patch/release. It's just sloppy place-holders everywhere.
 
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News Comments > CIG Demands Escapist Retraction; Threatens Lawsuit
54. Re: CIG Demands Escapist Retraction; Threatens Lawsuit Oct 5, 2015, 12:00 Flatline
 
Cutter wrote on Oct 5, 2015, 11:35:
This is a SLAPP suit, plain and simple. CIG doesn't have a legal leg to stand on. I hope The Escapist tells them, in the words of Withnail, to shove it up their ass and fuckoff for nothing while doing it. If CIG wants to sue they'll just end up losing a pile of money here.

I wonder if it even is going that far. At my most cynical I can see it as either A. An out "we spent all our money on lawyers damn Derek Smart!" or B. a way of saying "all is well stay calm!".
 
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