Bard wrote on Mar 26, 2018, 11:10:
There's really one thing I want to know.
What was the disinformation?
Should be easy enough to supply the actual posts - because in my experience Russia has been publicising information from Wikileaks documentation - which has a 100% correct 100% of the time track record - through things like RT.
I'd like to know if we're seeing those sort of things - which would be rightly dubbed information, or if we're seeing nonsense - which would be disinformation.
Right now I've been seeing all sorts of claims, but I've yet to see examples of the actual posts.
I sure HAVE seen misinformation during the election - but from a PR company Hillary's camp hired that did a very poor job covering their tracks (buying up lapsed domains, failing to successfully anonymise the domain transfers, creating junk fed clickbait sites, then publicising attack stuff against Trump that was literally fake news that somehow got trended in Facebook despite Alexa showing the sites had zero traffic...)
Latest Sam Harris interview is with Christian Picciolini, a former neo-nazi that helps families who fear their kid will be the next Dylann Roof. Worked with one girl who was radicalized by by a Russian pretending to be a US citizen, tracked him down, worked out what fancy St Petersburg University he went to and when he joined the FSB (He got sloppy and used a username connected to his former life). He gave this info to the FBI before the election but joked they were all too busy reading Hillary's emails. This kind of thing, at a large scale, is what the Russian investigation has uncovered among other forms of misinfo and hyperbole to arc up a willing audience.
It's not that we should trust the CIA or FBI without question, they are propblematic organisations with a lot of blood on their hands (Coups, kill lists, terrorism, agent provocateurs, wars and suppression of activists etc) but not everyone there is evil and not every report is written with an agenda. Just as RT doesn't have to lie, but be selective like Brietbart, the alphabet agencies do not have to make up anything about Russia.
Their shadow war doctrine is real and being used everywhere. Trolls are cheap and the damage they do is substantial, if hard to quantify. It's a shitty country with a shitty economy considering it's inherited the lions share of one of the worlds greatest land empires, with untold wealth and arable land there for exploitation if it wasn't such an autocratic shithole. Supporting Antifa, alt-right and other extreme causes is a cheap way to get a few shots in on their betters and make our Democracies appear as full of shit as theirs without starting a war that they would lose badly or destroy the world in the process. A good way to keep the Russian populous compliant is to paint the beacons of democracy as fractured, poverty ridden and on the verge of a civil war. Gets everybody onboard the whole captured state train and fucking like it.
That said giving them sanctions for it is a bit rich when every other country does it in one form or another, even if you grant that the excesses of the Cold war and the actions of our Cuban loyalist proxies are a thing of the past. We can at least say it's been a while since the west has shot down an airliner or annexed chunks of their neighbors. But the ongoing foreign adventurism, despite it's 0% chance of creating the loyal puppet states it intended and doing a good job of erasing whatever advantage in capital we have certainly cedes the moral high-ground to classic amoral strongmen like Putin.