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News Comments > Star Citizen Social Module Released
110. Re: Star Citizen Social Module Released Aug 31, 2015, 17:48 theyarecomingforyou
 
Flatline wrote on Aug 31, 2015, 16:18:
dsmart wrote on Aug 31, 2015, 15:06:
The stretch goal is for 100 of these social module powered levels. They said that over the years it would increase to 800. The information all out there and I have it in my blogs using sourced material straight from CR himself

Not to mention "playable levels" that are all of the ships for boarding actions and shit. Some of those big-ass craft that have been sold already look like small towns. And supposedly there will be bigger ships than that.
I think a lot of people forget that each ship, especially some of the larger ones, are effectively levels in their own right. Surprisingly enough they take a long time to develop. They also form the basis of Squadron 42, which is why certain ships have been prioritised.

If you look at the Gamescom demo there's a huge amount of content that hasn't been shown off before. The scale of the space station is absurd and it has a fully detailed interior. We've also just seen Nyx, the second planetside location, for the first time and that's clearly had a lot of work put into it. No doubt there is a lot of content like that. It could be that the game comes together quite quickly over the next year but we really won't know until later this year when we should have Star Marine, Arena Commander 2.0, several updates for the Social Module and an update regarding Squadron 42 (presumably at CitizenCon in October).

I can certainly understand why many are sceptical, as I myself have my concerns. That doesn't excuse some of the trolling around here though.
 
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108. Re: Star Citizen Social Module Released Aug 31, 2015, 17:36 theyarecomingforyou
 
Kxmode wrote on Aug 31, 2015, 15:57:
theyarecomingforyou wrote on Aug 31, 2015, 15:36:
Kxmode wrote on Aug 31, 2015, 15:15:
We're discussing the merits of Star Citizen's social module using language that isn't cult-like in nature. You're more than welcome to continue putting in your points as a White Knight backer. Unlike the RSI forums and the Star Citizen reddit everyone is open to express their viewpoints.
There's a difference between expressing your opinion and trolling - your posts clearly fall under the latter. Really, your posts are just embarrassing.

This is the typical White Knight response. I extend an olive branch of friendship and peace by letting you and others know that everyone is welcome to discuss Star Citizen, and you punch me in the face.

#WhiteKnightDouchery

You accused me of acting 'cult-like' and have trolled every SC topic. To claim that you were extending 'an olive branch of friendship' is patently disingenuous and frankly insulting. I've been more than reasonable but I've had it with your douchebaggery. Congratulations, you've managed to make Mr Desktop Commander look reasonable and mature.

jdreyer wrote on Aug 31, 2015, 16:18:
@ Theyarecoming, 88Fingers, BadIron

Iím generally on your side in these forums. Iím excited for the game and think theyíre making good progress with the architecture of the individual modules.

That being said, this social module is really depressing. Yes, is huge and beautiful, but obviously took 10s of 1000s of hours to build. Thereís just no way to apply that scope to 100 never mind 200 individual locations. There are two locations so far: ArcCorp and Nyx. There are two maps (IIRC) for Arena Commander. And the Star Marine module will also launch in a few weeks (hopefully) with two maps available. And Iím sure theyíll look fantastic. But again, two maps. Does anyone know how many maps total are supposed to be included in Star Marine?
The assets are being built out as building blocks. That means you'll get similar stores on each planet, each using the same building blocks but laid out different. They're also working on procedural generation, which was one of the stretch goals, in order to build and deploy assets more quickly. I agree with your criticism of Arena Commander and this is something I have frequently brought up on the official forums - we only have the same two levels it launch with last year. The only thing I would say is that we don't have 64bit precision which is needed for the larger levels. That comes with AC2.0, at which point I would expect to see more levels. It will come with the Stanton system.

I'll also point out that Star Marine only ships with ONE map, as Sata Ball will be coming later. Again, that's something I've criticised on the forums. They're going to need to add a lot of content very rapidly next year if the game is going to take shape.

jdreyer wrote on Aug 31, 2015, 16:18:
If the goal is to ship at the end of 2016, I donít see how they have more than a dozen hubs and a dozen maps for Star Marine and a couple dozen space environments. I just donít see how they build all the content before then. For me, I think such a small scope will probably be okay. I got into SC for Sq 42, not the MMO. If it is part of the game, Iíll probably get in and tool around casually, and be happy with that scope (although with nearly a million backers, that sounds pretty crowded). But I donít see how they make good on their promise.
There's no way the game will ship by the end of 2016. We'll likely see Squadron 42 before then but the PU will take a lot longer to roll out. However, by then we'll have the start of the PU - we'll have multiple systems to travel between, items to buy, ships to upgrade, ship boarding, missions, etc. Once the basics are in place it's simply a matter of adding content.

However, while I am very much looking forward to the game and have high hopes for it that doesn't mean I don't have my concerns. CIG has a poor track record when it comes to delivering playable content and the SocMod is hardly exciting - it's just a large empty map. However, I also recognise that a lot of the last few years have been building up the studios, the assets and the fundamentals (FPS, netcode, story writing, performance capture, audio creation, etc). It may be that they can start pumping out content as quickly as the ship pipeline, which has been very effective (in large part because it generates revenue).
 
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News Comments > Star Citizen Social Module Released
101. Re: Star Citizen Social Module Released Aug 31, 2015, 15:56 theyarecomingforyou
 
jdreyer wrote on Aug 31, 2015, 15:48:
Thanks Derek. I agree with your assessment on engine, I was actually kind of shocked when they announced they'd be using Cryengine. No Man's Sky, LOD, and Elite:Dangerous all use custom engines for this very reason.

Although I never play MMOs, good luck with LOD. I hope it turns out well.
Using a custom engine would have added years onto the development, something Chris Roberts addressed recently. It might have produced a better result but CIG wasn't in a position to make such a commitment when they weren't sure the game was even going to be funded.
 
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100. Re: Star Citizen Social Module Released Aug 31, 2015, 15:54 theyarecomingforyou
 
SpectralMeat wrote on Aug 31, 2015, 15:43:
theyarecomingforyou wrote on Aug 31, 2015, 15:36:
After I posted that link they apparently uploaded a better version: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z2YMlnn4Ngk
That does look pretty impressive
Indeed. But CIG really does need to increase its output of playable content. The social module is rudimentary and has little in the way of substance - it's a great starting point but it needs to be updated regularly, which hasn't been the case with Arena Commander so far.

As I've said before, by the end of this year we'll have a better idea of the state of the game. At the moment CIG needs to do a lot to win people over, especially after the substantial delays to Star Marine.
 
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96. Re: Star Citizen Social Module Released Aug 31, 2015, 15:36 theyarecomingforyou
 
SpectralMeat wrote on Aug 31, 2015, 14:53:
theyarecomingforyou wrote on Aug 31, 2015, 14:35:
CIG has released the first footage of Nyx, which is the next location that is due out later this year: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R4-loB94HIg
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After I posted that link they apparently uploaded a better version: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z2YMlnn4Ngk

Kxmode wrote on Aug 31, 2015, 15:15:
We're discussing the merits of Star Citizen's social module using language that isn't cult-like in nature. You're more than welcome to continue putting in your points as a White Knight backer. Unlike the RSI forums and the Star Citizen reddit everyone is open to express their viewpoints.
There's a difference between expressing your opinion and trolling - your posts clearly fall under the latter. Really, your posts are just embarrassing.
 
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87. Re: Star Citizen Social Module Released Aug 31, 2015, 14:35 theyarecomingforyou
 
As there's been so much misinformation I thought I'd clear up a few points:

1) All the animations are temporary. They're being worked on for Star Marine and were recently transitioned to a new skeleton, meaning they've all had to be rebound.

2) There are going to be multiple planetside locations in each system, with some planets having multiple locations (Earth will have three, for instance). They are building the core assets (shops, materials, etc) and will create a unique feel for each location. I haven't seen any figure for the number of planetside locations but I'd expect there to be 200+. CIG has released the first footage of Nyx, which is the next location that is due out later this year: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R4-loB94HIg

3) This is the first release with character customisation. Players can press F6 when in their hangar to change between the six loadouts (Outlaw Light/Medium/Heavy and Marine Light/Medium/Heavy).

4) The server errors aren't being caused by server load, as they're hosted by Google and have plenty of capacity. There are some backend issues that cause servers to believe they're full when they're not. Based on the forum topic it seems that most of the people with issues are running Windows 10.

PS - It's no surprise to see the usual trolls in this topic.
 
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News Comments > HTC RE Vive VR Headsets Delayed
16. Re: HTC RE Vive VR Headsets Delayed Aug 28, 2015, 22:27 theyarecomingforyou
 
1badmf wrote on Aug 28, 2015, 18:25:
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TangledThorns wrote on Aug 28, 2015, 17:24:
I only suspect this has something to do with Half-Life 3.

HL3 CONFIRMED!

wouldn't that be a wicked marketing move?
Yup. If I was Valve I'd have HL3 as a VR launch title (playable without VR as well) and give it away free with Steam Machines and the Steam Controller. That would get their hardware into millions of homes and establish them as a major player in the console market. Then again I'd have also bought up Black Mesa and bundled that with it.

At this point Valve really isn't a developer any more. They've yet to release a threequel to any title - TF, L4D, HL, Dota. They make so much from Steam they don't need to do anything.
 
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5. Re: Borderlands Movie Plans Aug 28, 2015, 19:26 theyarecomingforyou
 
.Drifter wrote on Aug 28, 2015, 18:06:
I don't really see this working out too well, especially if it's live action.
All they need to do is make it Mad Max: Fury Road only with vault hunters and job done. They won't though, they'll fuck it up and use horrific amounts of CGI and horrible dialogue.
 
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8. Re: G4 Makeover Coming? Aug 28, 2015, 12:28 theyarecomingforyou
 
Bundy wrote on Aug 28, 2015, 11:19:
Probably. Vendors wanted X amount of dollars by a certain date for production. HTC couldn't afford to line it all up.
I doubt that has anything to do with it. It seems more to do with the ecosystem. There simply won't be many games or demos ready for this year. Crytek has only just added VR support for the CryEngine SDK. If you look at the Leap Motion it was a great concept but the ecosystem meant there was just nothing to do with it.

It makes more sense to launch nearer the Oculus Rift as that will have a lot of support.

As for interoperability, Valve is working on a VR ecosystem that will support multiple devices. Aside from bundled tech demos I don't think we're going to see support problems, at least not from the major competitors.
 
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News Comments > More Derek Smart vs. Star Citizen
203. Re: More Derek Smart vs. Star Citizen Aug 27, 2015, 13:56 theyarecomingforyou
 
Kosumo wrote on Aug 27, 2015, 03:10:
I doubt it was Ben 'Chris's Goebbels' Lesnick idea, but he will be the fall guy
Comparing Ben to a Nazi war criminal? Mate, calm it down. You've lost any credibility. Move on.
 
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5. Re: GOG Galaxy Client Updated Aug 26, 2015, 08:02 theyarecomingforyou
 
Steam really needs this functionality. GOG is putting Valve to shame.  
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News Comments > Some Star Citizen Refunds
86. Re: Some Star Citizen Refunds Aug 24, 2015, 19:45 theyarecomingforyou
 
Dacron wrote on Aug 24, 2015, 15:01:
So accepting something from company A is okay, but the same thing from company B is NOT okay.
Absolutely, yes.

If EA decided to fund the next Battlefield game on Kickstarter, charging large amounts for in-game vehicles, maps and other content then I would be outraged because they have the financial resources to fund it themselves. It would simply be a way for them to avoid any liability, as if the game is crap or never released then gamers have no recourse.

If on the other hand an indie developer decides to do the same thing because it wouldn't have been funded any other way then I support that. People know the risks going in and it's not a large publisher with shareholders only interested in making money at the expense of gamers, like EA.

Do you really not understand my position? Because you certainly don't seem to understand what hypocrisy is. Large publisher that could fund it themselves = bad; indie developer that can't get funding any other way = fine. That's an intellectually consistent position.
 
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84. Re: Some Star Citizen Refunds Aug 24, 2015, 14:19 theyarecomingforyou
 
grudgebearer wrote on Aug 24, 2015, 07:19:
How staggeringly honest, and completely hypocritical of you. It's terrible when EA does it, but brilliant and awesome when CIG does it; you really are brainwashed.
It's not hypocritical - it's a logically consistent position. Star Citizen is a game I want to play but it would never have been made any other way. Either I accept a less than ideal business model or I boycott it. I don't like the business model but I accept it as a necessary evil. Were it EA or Ubisoft, which do have the money for such a project, I wouldn't have any tolerance for it.

On the plus side the funding model has allowed the game to become much larger and more ambitious than anyone thought was possible. What will be interesting is how funding is handled after release, as the introduction of subscriptions or F2P mechanics is not acceptable. I'm okay with them continuing to sell ship bundles for new users and new concept ships and expansions; I'm not okay with mandatory subscriptions and am opposed to the policy of allowing people to buy in-game credit (which is currently the case).

If pretending that I'm brainwashed makes you feel better then go ahead, it's no skin off my back.
 
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82. Re: Some Star Citizen Refunds Aug 23, 2015, 21:25 theyarecomingforyou
 
Kosumo wrote on Aug 23, 2015, 02:25:
theyarecomingforyou wrote on Aug 22, 2015, 09:34:
Kosumo wrote on Aug 22, 2015, 04:23:
Fidelity does not equal great gameplay.
I didn't suggest otherwise.

Yes you did, otherwise what did you mean by this?

theyarecomingforyou wrote on Aug 22, 2015, 03:10:
We're all well aware of the delays. What matters is whether the end game is decent and that looks to be the case now more than ever. Go back and watch the original pitch then watch the Gamescom demo - the fidelity is far beyond what was originally shown.

Because the 'gameplay*' in the kickstarter video looks better still than the 'gameplay*' in that Gamescom demo.
Two different things. The fidelity has increased AND the depth of gameplay has increased - it's just easier to see the difference when it comes to fidelity.

Kosumo wrote on Aug 23, 2015, 02:25:
If that is true, and it's what the backers want then why don't people just fund him more money without get spaceships in return?
Because, as I very clearly pointed out, the selling of spaceships has always been how the game has been funded. Continuing that isn't a deviation - it's perfectly consistent.

Kosumo wrote on Aug 23, 2015, 02:25:
I bet if there where not always a new better internet spaceship FOR SALE, then the money would stop. Ergo, adding new ships (which have made some old one subpar from what I've heard) is total GREED.
Of course the new ships are responsible for CIG's income - that's their business model. It's not a secret. But adding new ships isn't greed any more than the initial pitch was - the game would not have been funded any other way.

Were this coming from a publisher like EA or Ubisoft I'd be absolutely on your side but this is a game that literally wouldn't have been made any other way. If your argument is that this game shouldn't have been made then you're entitled to that opinion but the reality is that nearly a million people felt otherwise and have supported the project, while many others will buy it once it's released. That justifies its existence.
 
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81. Re: Some Star Citizen Refunds Aug 23, 2015, 21:15 theyarecomingforyou
 
panbient wrote on Aug 22, 2015, 09:41:
Like an engine + chassis but without a body? Sounds entirely drive-able, definitely not street legal, but totally drive-able, and likely the first 2 of 3 major elements to be addressed.
Please. Look at what's usually added last - seats, electrics, wheels, doors, etc. Definitely not drivable.

panbient wrote on Aug 22, 2015, 09:41:
And still nothing about Squadron 42, you know, the actual spiritual successor to Wing Commander that got so many people hyped in the very first place. And is there evidence or not, you completely flip flop between the start and the finish. Is there actual evidence coming or will it be MIA?
We haven't seen any footage from S42 to avoid spoiling the story but the leak earlier this year revealed a huge amount of the assets being worked on that hadn't been shown to backers.

panbient wrote on Aug 22, 2015, 09:41:
Don't forget, HL2, or GTA5, or Doom4 or whatever are being made by groups of people who've got a history of delivering. They're also not first attempts, and they're not trying to shoot for a target that no one has hit before and beyond the scope of anything else in the entire industry. Think about that. People who are essentially doing the same thing over again still have a hard time getting it right.
CR has a well-established and critically acclaimed history in the industry, as have many of the people working for him. It's more difficult for a project like this because they needed the funding before they could hire the people necessary but we know that.

panbient wrote on Aug 22, 2015, 09:41:
Gee. I wonder if Id being absorbed by Zenimax / Bethesda had anything to do with the length of development. Oh! Development has been entirely restarted by Bethesda as of 2011.
Gee, I wonder if the game raising $87m and having to build the studio from the ground up has anything to do with the development length of SC. But no, we can't mention that because it doesn't suit your argument.

panbient wrote on Aug 22, 2015, 09:41:
Decent? DECENT?!?! Decent does not sound like a valid adjective for what has been routinely quoted as the Best Damn Space Sim Ever! Fidelity is worthless if the underlying framework can barely support it. It's like those douchebags who get a Ferrari body on top of a Honda Civic chassis. Sure it 'looks' like a Ferrari... but it's not a Ferrari.
Dude, take a chill pill.

 
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73. Re: Some Star Citizen Refunds Aug 22, 2015, 09:34 theyarecomingforyou
 
Kosumo wrote on Aug 22, 2015, 04:23:
Fidelity does not equal great gameplay.
I didn't suggest otherwise.

Kosumo wrote on Aug 22, 2015, 04:23:
When you say Half-life 2 or Doom 4 or whatever else took x amount of time, what you should keep in mind is that to the best of my mind, none of those games had been taking money, large amounts of money form people before they knew what the end product was going to be. They where companies that took on the risk themselves. They where free to do as they pleased.
Absolutely, but those games were able to get funding from a traditional publisher - Star Citizen wasn't. Everyone that has pledged has done so knowing the risks. Could it all go tits up? Absolutely, but I'm happy to gamble on it as it's my favourite genre and Chris Roberts is responsible for making some of my favourite games.

Kosumo wrote on Aug 22, 2015, 04:23:
With Chris Roberts, he made statements about what he was going to make and when it was going to be released, and took peoples money (sometimes many times the price of a AAA game). Not only did he not release it anytime close to when he had said, he changed what he was going to make.
Aside from the delays he has only expanded what was originally planned and did so based because of backers supporting those stretch goals. That doesn't mean everyone will be happy but they never will be.

Kosumo wrote on Aug 22, 2015, 04:23:
To this day he has failed to deliver on many of the thing he said.

To top all that off, he has a long track record of not delivering on what he said he will.
Aside from the delays there's nothing about the game that hasn't delivered. There are subjective criticisms - like the control system, the role of ships, etc - but the game hasn't had features removed.

Kosumo wrote on Aug 22, 2015, 04:23:
You have even admitted that the way he as been selling internet spaceships is a neccercy evil - it not neccesery, he could have had a go at making good on his promises when he was at the ~$20 million mark but no, he's greedy and wanted more money which has not in anyway help him focus on making a good game (you know the it's the gameplay that makes a great game/BDSSE, not the graphics).
The game was always based around selling 'internet spaceships', continuing that is perfectly in-line with the original pitch on Kickstarter. Accepting more money to make the game better isn't 'being greedy', it's what most backers want.

Kosumo wrote on Aug 22, 2015, 04:23:
He has mismanaged this form day one. And that is why no publisher would even give him two cents.
I doubt anyone could have done better given the circumstances. The project has become a victim of its own success. However, as long as the final game delivers most people will accept it.

Kosumo wrote on Aug 22, 2015, 04:23:
He is pissing away other peoples money. That's pretty scummy in my book. ymmv
That's your opinion. From my perspective I support the direction of the game, even if I dislike the delays.

El Pit wrote on Aug 22, 2015, 07:00:
What point are you trying to make, theyarecomingforyou?

That the game including all stretch goals will take 20+ years
Yes, that was obviously the point I was making. Wall
 
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8. Re: 220M Grand Theft Auto Games Sold Aug 22, 2015, 07:38 theyarecomingforyou
 
CJ_Parker wrote on Aug 22, 2015, 04:12:
I'm a proud non-owner of GTA V.
I don't think 'proud' was the word you were looking for.
 
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70. Re: Some Star Citizen Refunds Aug 22, 2015, 03:10 theyarecomingforyou
 
Vall Forran wrote on Aug 21, 2015, 17:50:
If you had a company that took 3 years! to make a buggy unplayable mess of a demo, you'd be fired. There are several levels with hard container boundaries. Say what? Controller configs don't work? That requires the most technical minds on the planet, so I understand why that's not done.

I bought two ships. So I've spent about $120. I really regret that. However, like you said, this game is what all of us want. I have hope. If the game ever releases, I will start with the two most basic ships for free! ...which probably will be free upon "release".

Though, I don't see how you get an image of a guy not slowing sinking into a pile of shit.
Any game that's part way into development is a 'buggy unplayable mess of a demo'. It's still missing core functionality. Heck, try driving a car that's only two-thirds complete. What we do have, though, is evidence of much more substantial content coming - the social module, large maps, multi-crew and first-person combat. At the end of the year we should have a much better idea of where the project stands, as we'll have either had the social module, SM and AC2.0 or they'll be MIA.

Don't forget, Half-Life 2 took five years to develop. When it was leaked a year early it was a mess and that's two years longer than SC has had. The scope of the project has expanded since the original pitch and now the only sensible comparison for development time is that of other AAA games and MMOs - they generally take at least fours years, usually five. Doom 4 was announced back in 2007 - it's taken eight years and they haven't released anything more than a trailer.

We're all well aware of the delays. What matters is whether the end game is decent and that looks to be the case now more than ever. Go back and watch the original pitch then watch the Gamescom demo - the fidelity is far beyond what was originally shown.
 
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Creston wrote on Aug 21, 2015, 12:58:
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Wiki, GTA5 development costs 137 million plus 128 million for marketing.
The more you know... Everyone happy now?

And how much of either piece went to licensing music for all the radio stations?

Seriously though, I've always been curious about it.

I can't remember where I read it, but it was estimated to be around $40-50 million for the music licenses. That undoubtedly has increased for the PC/PS4/Xbone versions since they have a lot more music.
There's no way it cost that much to license the music. There are 240 licensed songs in GTA5 and, according to ASCAP, the upper limit for licensing is typically around $20,000 per song - assuming all were that much it would amount to $4.8m. In reality some were probably a lot cheaper and some more expensive, so $5m is a reasonable estimate.

As for the idea earlier that SC can only be completed if it raises another $40-50m, that's just nonsense. However, CIG has likely factored in continued revenue into their projections. I'd be surprised if the game doesn't hit $100m by the end of the year, especially if we're actually going to see SM, AC2.0 and the social module (S42 is still a longshot). And it will certainly make a lot when it's released, as a lot of people have been holding back. The real issue is if the game becomes a lot more delayed, which is a distinct possibility, and if funding drops. While funding has dropped off that's mostly because of a lack of new content, which should hopefully be coming to an end.
 
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29. Re: Star Citizen FPS Development Moves In-House Aug 18, 2015, 22:15 theyarecomingforyou
 
Kxmode wrote on Aug 18, 2015, 15:56:
Illfonic and Foundry 42 are basically the same studios.
You're not even subtle in your trolling.
 
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