"Repeatedly calling Kerry a "flip-flopper", which is a very tired party-line, says a lot about your reasoning, or lack thereof."
It's the TRUTH! That's the reasoning.
"Anyone can make a list of flip-flops by just about anyone, and CERTAINLY about Bush."
Then where is it? Where is the list of substantial positions he has taken and made dramatic reversals on? The war? No. Stem cell research? No. Is there anything? Come on, post a list of quotes of flip-flops on important issues if you can.
"Bush has demonstrated, if anything, that he DOES NOT have what it takes to do this correctly!"
How? By annoying the French? Sorry if it doesn't make my eyes misty. In the two years since terrorists attacked us, President Bush has liberated two countries, crushed the Taliban, crippled al-Qaida, put nuclear inspectors in Libya, Iran and North Korea without firing a shot, and captured a terrorist who slaughtered 300,000 of his own people.
It took less time to take Iraq than it took Janet Reno to take the Branch Davidian compound. That was a 51 day operation. It took less time for the 3rd Infantry Division and the Marines to destroy the Medina Republican Guard than it took Ted Kennedy to call the police after his Oldsmobile sank at Chappaquiddick.
We found Sarin gas and mustard gas in shells in Iraq. If those aren't WMDs, what are?
"He pissed off EVERYBODY: half his own country, the international community, the UN, you mention it, he handled it wrongly."
He handled it the best way possible at the time. Half the country hated Bush from the moment he won the election, just because his name has an "R" next to it. The UN left of it's own accord because Saddam wasn't cooperating. They left because the situatuion, before the war started, was "unstable". They bailed on the situation, and you're upset because we went into this "unstable" country to enforce the resolutions the UN was too weak and spineless to do on it's own? That's rich. Really, you've got to be kidding.
"Then he made it even worse by having a web of interconnected interests representing huge money currents flowing from iraq to people in his inner circle of friends and associates, including the ridiculous relationship of the vicepresident with halliburton."
Ok, again, where is this "web" everyone talks so much about? According to CNN:
"Cheney was chairman and chief executive officer of the Texas-based Halliburton Co., one of the world's largest service providers to the oil and gas industry, from 1995 to 2000, when he resigned to run for vice president. ... the deferred compensation was set up two years before he became a vice presidential candidate in 2000 and that he assigned all his stock options to a charitable trust just before being sworn in."
Yeah, Cheney is really raking in the dough because if the war. I also wonder who would be better at performing the work Halliburton is doing? Which company is more qualified, more able, and more capable to do the work? You cannot call up Joe Schmo contractor and say, "Here, fix Iraq". I am not defending Halliburton or saying it was the only choice for the work, but there are damn few companies capable of doing the work and the Pres and VP are NOT making money on it. If you think the US went to war with approval of Congress and backing to make Halliburton rich, you are a delusional. Exactly what are England, Poland, and the rest of the countries backing the liberation of Iraq getting out of this without Halliburton connections?
Iraq was supporting terrorists:http://usinfo.state.gov/mena/Archive_Index/A_Decade_of_Deception_and_Defiance.html#support
Iraq is one of seven countries that have been designated by the Secretary of State as state sponsors of international terrorism. UNSCR 687 prohibits Saddam Hussein from committing or supporting terrorism, or allowing terrorist organizations to operate in Iraq. Saddam continues to violate these UNSCR provisions. Patterns of Global Terrorism 2001: Overview of State-Sponsored Terrorism; US Department of State; May 21, 2002.
* In 1993, the Iraqi Intelligence Service (IIS) directed and pursued an attempt to assassinate, through the use of a powerful car bomb, former U.S. President George Bush and the Emir of Kuwait. Kuwaiti authorities thwarted the terrorist plot and arrested 16 suspects, led by two Iraqi nationals.
* Iraq shelters terrorist groups including the Mujahedin-e-Khalq Organization (MKO), which has used terrorist violence against Iran and in the 1970s was responsible for killing several U.S. military personnel and U.S. civilians. Ibid.
* Iraq shelters several prominent Palestinian terrorist organizations in Baghdad, including the Palestine Liberation Front (PLF), which is known for aerial attacks against Israel and is headed by Abu Abbas, who carried out the 1985 hijacking of the cruise ship Achille Lauro and murdered U.S. citizen Leon Klinghoffer. Ibid.
* Iraq shelters the Abu Nidal Organization, an international terrorist organization that has carried out terrorist attacks in twenty countries, killing or injuring almost 900 people. Targets have included the United States and several other Western nations. Each of these groups have offices in Baghdad and receive training, logistical assistance, and financial aid from the government of Iraq. Ibid.
* In April 2002, Saddam Hussein increased from $10,000 to $25,000 the money offered to families of Palestinian suicide/homicide bombers. The rules for rewarding suicide/homicide bombers are strict and insist that only someone who blows himself up with a belt of explosives gets the full payment. Payments are made on a strict scale, with different amounts for wounds, disablement, death as a "martyr" and $25,000 for a suicide bomber. Mahmoud Besharat, a representative on the West Bank who is handing out to families the money from Saddam, said, "You would have to ask President Saddam why he is being so generous. But he is a revolutionary and he wants this distinguished struggle, the intifada, to continue." "Jenin Families Pocket Iraqi Cash"; The Washington Times: London Daily Telegraph; May 31, 2002.
* Former Iraqi military officers have described a highly secret terrorist training facility in Iraq known as Salman Pak, where both Iraqis and non-Iraqi Arabs receive training on hijacking planes and trains, planting explosives in cities, sabotage, and assassinations.
"If anything, by sheer logic, Kerry should have the benefit of the doubt, at least you know he's smart, educated, and a pretty tough guy, as a man."
Why? Did he graduate from Yale like Bush? You can't say that that's an easy place to get a degree. A pretty tough guy?http://airbornecombatengineer.typepad.com/airborne_combat_engineer/2004/01/whats_the_true_.html
"The Harvard Crimson newspaper [specifically Samuel Goldhaber, the article's author who is now a cardiologist attached to the Harvard School of Medicine] followed a youthful Mr Kerry in Boston as he campaigned for Congress for the first time in 1970. In the course of a lengthy article, "John Kerry: A Navy Dove Runs for Congress", published on February 18, the paper reported: "When he approached his draft board for permission to study for a year in Paris, the draft board refused and Kerry decided to enlist in the Navy." Dr. Goldhaber, contacted recently, said he doesn't remember every detail, but does remember that John Kerry never contacted him to dispute anything he had written."
"According to Kerry's own description in Douglas Brinkley's Tour of Duty, the Dec. 2, 1968, mission behind what he has claimed to be his first Purple Heart was "a half-assed action that hardly qualified as combat." Indeed. Kerry was stationed with Coastal Division 14 at Cam Ranh Bay. At that time he piloted a small foam-filled boat, known as a Boston Whaler, with two enlisted men in the darkness of early morning. The intent, apparently, was to patrol an area that was known for contraband trafficking, but it was an undocumented mission. Upon approaching the objective point, the crew noticed a sampan crossing the river. As it pulled to shore, Kerry and his little team opened fire, destroying the boat and whatever its cargo might have been.
In the confusion, Kerry claims to have received a "stinging piece of heat" in the arm, the result of a tiny piece of shrapnel. He was not incapacitated and continued with regular swiftboat-patrol duty. William Shachte, who oversaw this ad hoc mission, was quoted by the Boston Globe as saying Kerry's injury, from whatever source, "was not a serious wound at all."
But Kerry met with his immediate superior officer, Lt.Cmdr. Grant Hibbard, the next morning and requested a Purple Heart for his wound. Hibbard recalls that Kerry had a "minor scratch" on his arm and was holding in his hand what appeared to be a fragment of a U.S. M-79 grenade, the shrapnel that had caused the wound. "They didn't receive enemy fire," Hibbard tells Insight. Since this was an essential requirement for the award, the commander rejected Kerry's request. Hibbard does not remember that Kerry received medical attention of any kind and confirms that no one else on the mission suffered any injuries.
Shortly thereafter, Kerry was transferred to Coastal Division 11 at An Thoi. Apparently, Kerry petitioned to have his Purple Heart request reconsidered. Hibbard remembers getting correspondence from Kerry's new division, asking for his approval. In the hurried process of moving to a new command himself, Hibbard thinks he might have signed off on the award. If so, "it was to my chagrin," Hibbard remembers. Kerry's second commander, Lt.Cmdr. G.M. Elliott, says he has no recollection of such an event ever occurring."
OK, there's your "hero". Don't get me wrong, I salute the man for fighting for our country and take nothing away from his service in Vietnam. But, he only went because he wasn't allowed a deferrment to go to Paris to study and whined his way to medals he may not have rightfully earned. Then, to top it off, he admits "atrocities" were commonplace by he and his men, and never REPORTS them? Then he tosses his ribbons in war protests (keeps the medals, though, mind you - why?) and then touts his war experience in his acceptance speech?
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