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Re: 'Copy Protection' creates pirates
Sep 29, 2004, 00:09
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Re: 'Copy Protection' creates pirates Sep 29, 2004, 00:09
Sep 29, 2004, 00:09
 
It is NOT a question of whether there will be a clean version of HL2, but whether the clean version would be released before or after the retail release.

That's just it, isn't it. The game is complete and now copies are out for review. With a long delay it's going to be out before retail and Valve/VU are going to screw themselves out of alot of $.

Come on Valve/VU, settle this quick and everyone wins.

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Re: No subject
Sep 28, 2004, 22:34
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Re: No subject Sep 28, 2004, 22:34
Sep 28, 2004, 22:34
 
If they're not careful that's exactly what's going to happen. Can you imagine, with all this Valve/VU/Steam BS holding up everything, some pirate comes out with a steamless version of single player HL2 and posts it? That would be the final chapter of this silly story.

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Re: No subject
Sep 28, 2004, 15:42
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Re: No subject Sep 28, 2004, 15:42
Sep 28, 2004, 15:42
 
I think this just foreshadows a much larger fiasco that will erupt on HL2 release day, whenever that is. I mean come on, after all that has happened, you think the curse on this game will lifted on release day?

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Re: Stirring the politcal pot...
Sep 28, 2004, 14:58
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Re: Stirring the politcal pot... Sep 28, 2004, 14:58
Sep 28, 2004, 14:58
 

The completion of 4 years of college might not be the best way to measure "best educated"

Exactly Warhawk. You can still go to college for 4 years and still be a slacker.. especially if those degrees are in basket weaving 101.

It's also interesting that the report indicates that same audience is also the least likely to vote. Now that's not being smart.

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Re: newegg site down?
Sep 28, 2004, 13:32
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Re: newegg site down? Sep 28, 2004, 13:32
Sep 28, 2004, 13:32
 
Hey, did anyone on the west coast feel an earthquake? I just saw a report that San Jose just had an earthquake.

I guess the magnitude was in the 5s.
This comment was edited on Sep 28, 13:35.
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Re: No subject
Sep 28, 2004, 12:34
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Re: No subject Sep 28, 2004, 12:34
Sep 28, 2004, 12:34
 
LOL, what a STEAMing pile. I bet those posters wish steam wasn't required today.

Luckily, there are still new games out there that you can play online with friends that don't require permission every time from a 3rd party.. who may or may not be online.

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Re: No subject
Sep 28, 2004, 10:06
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Re: No subject Sep 28, 2004, 10:06
Sep 28, 2004, 10:06
 
Is this the preload that makes the game fun ? So far it hasn't been very fun looking at a bunch of encrypted files.

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Re: No subject
Sep 27, 2004, 18:57
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Re: No subject Sep 27, 2004, 18:57
Sep 27, 2004, 18:57
 
"Kill your opponents until you are the only one left!"

Hey, that gives me an idea: Highlander the MMORPG !

Sure, they wouldn't make much money per month if you're the only one left, but it sounds more interesting than EQ iteration #235.


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Re: No subject
Sep 27, 2004, 15:12
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Re: No subject Sep 27, 2004, 15:12
Sep 27, 2004, 15:12
 
Cool. I can't wait until they select the PCs that they're going to develop on. I suggest Intel 6.0 GHz machines running Windows "Longhorn".

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Re: ???
Sep 25, 2004, 20:23
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Re: ??? Sep 25, 2004, 20:23
Sep 25, 2004, 20:23
 
Very interesting Z3bra...

Sometimes the stories behind the game are better than the game itself.

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Re: Zomg!
Sep 22, 2004, 16:39
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Re: Zomg! Sep 22, 2004, 16:39
Sep 22, 2004, 16:39
 
"Steam servers are too busy too handle your transaction. In the meantime you can play Condition Zero."

LOL. I just took a look at the Steam support forum. The first 10 pages of posts are from the last 24 hrs. Oh wait, HL2 isn't even out yet.

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Re: LOL
Sep 21, 2004, 15:47
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Re: LOL Sep 21, 2004, 15:47
Sep 21, 2004, 15:47
 
Well then, I think we're all in agreement..

Shadow Ops: Red Rubbish

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Re: Hate It? How'd You Make It Better?
Sep 21, 2004, 00:02
Re: Hate It? How'd You Make It Better? Sep 21, 2004, 00:02
Sep 21, 2004, 00:02
 
The security issue is an interesting question. Someone steals your steam account name and password.. do they now get all your valve games? I sure hope Gabe changed his steam password.

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Re: regarding steam..
Sep 20, 2004, 19:31
Re: regarding steam.. Sep 20, 2004, 19:31
Sep 20, 2004, 19:31
 
Right, I did read that if you install HL2 from a CD and play SP only, it won't require STEAM. However, once you use STEAM (which I assume will be needed to get any patch) it will require STEAM from then on.

I have no doubt that if they ever did try to do something sneaky, someone would find out. I personally have no fear of that. I'm just stating the concerns that are out there. Gamers will take improvements.. but anything that makes gaming more difficult will be smacked down hard.


This comment was edited on Sep 20, 19:35.
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Re: regarding steam..
Sep 20, 2004, 19:12
95.
Re: regarding steam.. Sep 20, 2004, 19:12
Sep 20, 2004, 19:12
 
My post was in reponse to the question, why do people dislike STEAM? I knew those reasons and I also have heard your counter reasons before.

a. Steam gives you complete control over what games to patch. Except for patching itself, that is.

b. "Theoretically" ANY program you install on your machine can do this. Next?


"Because else does" isn't a good enough reason for everyone. Most single player FPS games do not go out on the net when launched. Doom 3 doesn't do this for single player. Anyone running ZoneAlarm would know. It fairly easy to find out what programs "do this" and what programs do not, even for people that aren't PC savvy. You just read up about it on the internet.

I'm personally not looking for exact patching information, but would expect basic status of what it's doing at any given time.. patching, authorizing, contacting xxx.xx.xx.xx, etc and I would also personally turn off STEAM after playing. There is also such a thing as bad patches, which is why I'd also turn off the auto-update feature (just as I do with WinXP). However, there are very paranoid people out there. This is the internet, after all.

d. Not true. I have a friend who plays CS:CZ on a P3600 with 128MB RAM and a GF2MX at 90+ fps. If you know anything about computers(I'm a software developer and hardware architecture designer), then you'll know that every computer is different. Just because a computer has the exact same hardware as another, doesn't mean they'll run the same. Unfortunately, there's too many variables and the biggest is usually software. Drivers, OS, Spyware, AV Scanners, etc. So to say that Steam doesn't play on low to mid end computers is simply a lie by generalizing.

Every PC runs differently, but how many frames per second does STEAM take away from the game? Some gamers are tweak crazy and make changes just to get a few extra FPS.

a. Without Steam you had WON servers. If they were down, you couldn't play. As long as you want to keep piracy and cheating down, you need central servers. Yes. IF they go down, you can't play. Oh well. EVERY major MP game is like that, today (Tribes 2, COD, BF1942, SOF2, etc.) So, Steam is not unique in this area.

HL2 will be unique in that a WON server was never required when you're not playing a multiplayer game. STEAM is required. Again, Doom 3 doesn't require a central server to play single player, ever.

b. So, I had a LAN party at my apartment, one night, and my internet was down. We could still play CS:CZ, locally. You don't need internet access to play SP and LAN games.

Good. It would be useful to educate users on how a temporary "license" to play single player is obtained and if an initial connection at some previous time was required to obtain it.

You will have to get used to Steam because this will definitely be the way games will be published more and more.

See, that's where you're wrong. This may work out very well for everyone or it may not. If it becomes an annoyance, people will find a way around it.

Any bets on how long it takes the pirates to create a STEAM free version?


This comment was edited on Sep 20, 19:13.
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Re: Money
Sep 20, 2004, 13:22
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Re: Money Sep 20, 2004, 13:22
Sep 20, 2004, 13:22
 
Valve should release a demo or something so that people can actually talk about the game itself rather than the delays, conspiracies, steam, etc. I feel like I'm getting sick of HL2 and I haven't even played it yet.

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Re: LOL
Sep 20, 2004, 12:57
33.
Re: LOL Sep 20, 2004, 12:57
Sep 20, 2004, 12:57
 
Sure, if the game is never released, nobody profits. But, what if Valve wanted to hold off release for a few more months until the court case was settled (assuming things did not go well at the Oct hearing)? They would stand to make more profit if STEAM was allowed upon release, instead of 5 months after the fact.
This comment was edited on Sep 20, 12:58.
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Re: regarding steam..
Sep 20, 2004, 12:09
15.
Re: regarding steam.. Sep 20, 2004, 12:09
Sep 20, 2004, 12:09
 
Could someone please sum up whats wrong with steam?

Some of the concerns of STEAM are:

1. Not having control of what goes on - not seeing exactly what STEAM is doing to your files makes some users uneasy.

a. Being able to patch your game at your own leisure is sometimes necessary if there are side effects of the patch (losing save games for one).

b. Theoretically it may be possible to not only download files, but also upload files.. using your PC and bandwidth as a file server.

c. Spyware

d. Performance hit - Is a mid to low end PC going to take a significant performance hit in a single or multiplayer game with STEAM running in the background?

2. Your PC requiring Valve's servers much in the same way a MMOG requires servers could be a problem.

a. Look at WoW and SWG. They had problems recently due to a tornado hitting their server farm. WoW testers were not able to log in this weekend. Imagine not being able to play your favorite single player FPS because of this.

b. Situations where local internet is temporarily not available

c. LAN games - will they happen with HL2?

d. If a million people send an authorization request at the same time (release day.. whenever that is), will STEAM be able to handle it?

This comment was edited on Sep 20, 12:25.
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Re: Sierra....
Sep 20, 2004, 11:48
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Re: Sierra.... Sep 20, 2004, 11:48
Sep 20, 2004, 11:48
 
Just when you thought we were nearing the end of the saga otherwise known as HL2....

How about this for the next headline.. "Sierra blocks HL2 STEAM release in court."

and

"Valve refuses to release HL2 until STEAM release allowed"

Ooooh yes my friends.. stranger things have already happened.

This comment was edited on Sep 20, 11:53.
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Re: Rubbish
Sep 18, 2004, 18:10
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Re: Rubbish Sep 18, 2004, 18:10
Sep 18, 2004, 18:10
 
WoW is still going to be one of the best MMORPGs out there. Many are done with EQ/DAoC and will move on to WoW or EQ2.

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