Titus wrote on Jun 12, 2021, 17:29:
R6 vs Aliens ? Tom Clancy's angular velocity must be nearing light speed by now..

Almost as fast as the man's rolling over in his grave right now.

Jivaro wrote on Jun 12, 2021, 17:51:
Okay...I am not usually the negative nancy but...I am seriously underwhelmed by what I am seeing and hearing. If people have been playing WoW or FF or SWTOR or whatever for 5-10 years they ain't leaving for this. At least not based on what I have seen, heard, and read so far.

Meh, plenty of people who stopped playing those games long ago that might be interested in something new. If any MMO's success hinged on pulling players AWAY from existing MMO's, they're already a failure.

Ugh... "Only you, the player can unite blah blah blah and save the world blah blah blah." I'm so sick of being the chosen one in games. Why is everyone else in their world so god-damned useless that they can't accomplish even the smallest thing without me?

I'm looking forward to trying the game out, but companies need to stop with this lazy ass hero-worshiping save-the-world-plot style of writing. It DOES NOT WORK when EVERY player in the game is "The chosen one" and "The ONLY immortal who can unite the world!".

Acleacius wrote on Jun 10, 2021, 22:17:
Amazing game, I was holding off another replay about 6 months ago. I just knew I was getting a new RTX 3060ti. 🤦‍♂️
It was such a good deal at release. Iirc, Remedy's $20 on Steam release. I had support Remedy and I'll eventually get it on GOG.
Never epic, who held it back with their despicable, anti competitive consumer practices.

The actress Courtney Hope is extremely talented. Not only her emotional range but physical range rarely seen.

You mean Epic who paid Remedy more than Steam or GOG did and take less of a cut per sale? I get not liking exclusives, but if your goal is to support Remedy, then you took a u-turn somewhere in that logic.

This is just such a depressing thing to see. Rainbow Six had a niche once. They did something different than most everyone else. Now it's a zombie shooter? I mean, at least Siege got rid of the 3rd person cover bs from the Vegas games and made an attempt to make planning important again while adding a new gameplay element via destructible walls. Even though they largely abandoned the lore from the game series, it felt like they were moving in the right direction gameplay-wise.

This... Jesus... just why? Who the hell wanted another zombie shooter? There are countless ones already available, and more on the horizon still. I guess the next will be Rainbow Six: Battle Royale? Or Rainbow Six: The WW2 years? Rainbow Six: Open World MMOFPS/RPG? Rainbow Six: Survival/Crafting Edition?

Have to admit I'm a little intrigued. A strategy game without the micro-management that hinges on whether your orders get to where you sent them on time or not, or at all.

Steele Johnson wrote on Jun 2, 2021, 12:03:
I always have to question games that are described as an "exploration game". Is it a technical feat/experiment or is there actual fun gameplay somewhere to be found? Anyhow, you've got to hand it to the devs for all the updates since release. I've heard that the co-op mode is a bit clunky, and in some aspects it doesn't make much sense, so if they ever straighten that out, I might give it a try

Some people actually enjoy exploring the worlds created in games even if there isn't any reward beyond the actual act of exploration.

jacobvandy wrote on May 30, 2021, 21:59:
They also currently have a 20% off coupon code which stacks with those discounts. And when they don't have a public one available (been fairly common during recent sales events), you can spend some of your achievement points for a personal one-time use code.

Thanks for the tip, had no idea about that. I think I own most everything I want from them already, but it's worth looking again I suppose.

wrlwnd wrote on May 30, 2021, 02:56:
I like the sales I see on Steam, which I don't see on Ubisoft, and I don't want yet another service to have my credit card info. I also like the achievements on Steam as well as the review system.

What? Ubisoft literally has two major sales going on right now, and they have achievements too.

85% off Farcry 3, 80% off Farcry 4, 85% off Farcry 5... 50% off Watchdogs Legion, hell even 25% off Assassins Creed Valhalla which JUST came out. What more do you want?

Yeah, some games have really caught me off-guard. Hades, Dead Cells, both awesome. Void Bastards was another one, the screens made me shrug it off, but got it from a humble monthly and damn near lost the next few days of my life to it.

Medusa-NYC wrote on May 29, 2021, 22:14:
Looks like Giancarlo Esposito is up for this...

Yep. Phenomenal actor, particularly as a villain. Hopefully the scripting/writing is good enough to deserve him.

Never understand why this is the decision of my friends whether or not to broadcast my name or info anywhere. Why isn't there a choice for ME to keep my name/account off of people's screens when they look at other people's 'friend lists'? Otherwise it becomes a game of me telling them that they're not allowed to display their friend list to people if they want to keep me as a friend, which is a really weird and unnecessary ultimatum. What if they have friends who DO want their names/accounts available to be found that way AND friends that don't?

jacobvandy wrote on May 29, 2021, 18:44:
Uh, it is NOT exclusive to EGS... It's just not on Steam, which has been the case for all major Ubisoft releases of the past 2+ years. I guess Blue forgot what Uplay is?

Speaking of which, I wonder if the details of that arrangement (Epic + Ubisoft partnership) came out of those trial documents?

Yep. People just want to hate on Epic so much that they conveniently forget stores OTHER than steam exist and that some publishers don't like the size of the cut steam takes or the rules they enforce.

Buy it, don't buy it... whatever. But don't sit there shaking your fist at Epic for a decision that Ubisoft made.

Sepharo wrote on May 28, 2021, 15:46:
Didn't they already come back during the initial Kickstarter boom?

I'm pretty sure I gave them money.

Might be thinking of The Silver Lining by Phoenix Online. http://www.postudios.com/company/games/thesilverlining/index.php

That didn't actually have the Williams' involvement though.

Nucas wrote on May 27, 2021, 21:09:
lost interest myself after avellone was cancelled, and the multiple reports on development being a mess. i am morbidly interested to see what shambles to retail though.

The development reports are by far the more concerning part. Avellone had nothing to do with the original DL, but it was still very well received so his absence earns a shrug from me.

DarkCntry wrote on May 26, 2021, 16:30:

Teddy wrote on May 26, 2021, 16:22:
If it was sold as "hyper-realistic" and wasn't, that would be poor form. But that analogy doesn't translate in any way shape or form here. The game was not billed as 'dark eco horror only' nor was it billed as 'cute, animated brawler' only. These are not opposing concepts, and I fail to see how they are 'sending mixed messages' in any way shape or form.

Everything about the game, from media to actual descriptions explained that the world was a dark, post-apocalyptic one, so my original analogy fits. The concept of an ecosystem overrun with mutants and literally dying is also pointing to a darker aspect. This also isn't helped in that the actual gameplay is not exactly where you'd expect comic style effects to take place simply because it seems a bit out of place.

So if you cannot see how mixed messaging is taking place here, well, I'm not going to get you to understand.

Probably not no, since you're still trying to say that comic book style can't be dark. They are not opposing and you have failed to explain why you think they are. Mixed messages would be the game saying 'the world is dying' and yet showed everyone as happy, relaxed and content.

Why precisely would I not expect comic style effects in a kung-fu brawler wherein I play a mouse-thing running around with silly cobbled together scrap for weapons? Why should I expect that something in this graphical theme could only address silly topics and not something serious and dark? Where does this idea come from that you cannot portray dark subject matter in anything other than a dark and gritty film noir style? It's nonsensical.

Watership Down, Secret of Nimh, The Dark Crystal... they all had animation and silliness in them but addressed very dark topics and no one decried them for mixed messaging.

DarkCntry wrote on May 26, 2021, 16:06:

Teddy wrote on May 26, 2021, 15:58:

DarkCntry wrote on May 26, 2021, 15:41:
For the few hours I played, I think the biggest issue is the game really doesn't know what to make of itself. There's some gritty dark bits, but then in fights you get the "WAM BAM" comic prompts while attacking...the moral compass choice aspect seems interesting, until you're given the ever-increasingly vague prompts that sometimes don't exactly match the tone you're going for, giving you the opposite effect.

Saw this complaint in one of the reviews. Not sure I get why people assume that a game must be entirely dark and gritty or entirely comic-book style silly. The whole idea of, "It must display only one theme or it's wrong!" is just goofy logic. Enjoy it for what it is, or don't. It doesn't need to conform to a specific style.

I never said it had to pick one over the other, only that it seems like it's giving mixed messages on tone of the game. I mean, honestly would you find it a bit jarring to be playing a game billed as hyper-realistic only to have several moments where you're punching holes in tanks? The only point I am trying to get across is that it sends mixed messaging over what it wants to set the world up as, a dying ecosystem overrun with mutated creatures, but when fighting it gets all colorful with the comic fighting 'sounds'.

If it was sold as "hyper-realistic" and wasn't, that would be poor form. But that analogy doesn't translate in any way shape or form here. The game was not billed as 'dark eco horror only' nor was it billed as 'cute, animated brawler' only. These are not opposing concepts, and I fail to see how they are 'sending mixed messages' in any way shape or form.

DarkCntry wrote on May 26, 2021, 15:41:
For the few hours I played, I think the biggest issue is the game really doesn't know what to make of itself. There's some gritty dark bits, but then in fights you get the "WAM BAM" comic prompts while attacking...the moral compass choice aspect seems interesting, until you're given the ever-increasingly vague prompts that sometimes don't exactly match the tone you're going for, giving you the opposite effect.

Saw this complaint in one of the reviews. Not sure I get why people assume that a game must be entirely dark and gritty or entirely comic-book style silly. The whole idea of, "It must display only one theme or it's wrong!" is just goofy logic. Enjoy it for what it is, or don't. It doesn't need to conform to a specific style.

jacobvandy wrote on May 26, 2021, 05:23:
Lol, I just experienced something in-game that I remembered reading about in a review, revealing to me that that writer is a moron who just wasn't paying attention. Outside of some NPC strongholds there are these ramshackle soup kitchens, where you can choose to serve food to the people standing there in line, or just burn it to the ground. This professional game reviewer blindly pressed a button, either ignoring or not noticing the dark spirit floating above the prompt to denote it as an evil deed (the light spirit waits behind the counter), and was surprised when something unexpected happened. So of course, they complain about that even being possible because it was "out of character" for their good hero.

Yep. I caught that in the crafting tutorial bit, where one reviewer was complaining that he didn't know what the types meant or what materials were supposed to be, yet the crafting tutorial literally pops up a window that explains all that over a few pages of text. Some reviewers are just bad at their jobs. That said, doesn't mean that everyone who didn't like it was incompetent, the game really does strike me as polarizing. Some people are going to like it, others aren't and that's fine.

Slashman wrote on May 26, 2021, 11:08:

HorrorScope wrote on May 26, 2021, 10:25:
^I agree. But to me that is not what a $60 make, you described a $20 game to me, a filler/mood game.

No not a $20 game, but for sure a $40 experience. Seems like that's where this is aiming. I might actually pick it up later when it hits that price.

Pretty much what I paid for it at Epic, (Well, $45 but close enough) and I'm quite enjoying it. Besides the "not a $60 game" thing is outdated. AAA's are $80 where I live now. Roughly half that for this game feels fine to me.