Mr. Tact wrote on Sep 10, 2020, 11:00:
*shrug* To each their own. I thought Brian's books seemed to closely follow where "Heretics of Dune" and "Chapterhouse: Dune" left off. And yeah, perhaps the ultimate ending was a bit of a "Hollywood ending" but overall the whole storyline felt true to the original six and I thoroughly enjoyed it.
Kxmode wrote on Sep 10, 2020, 12:12:
You do realize what you did there is like telling people just starting to watch Game of Throne who John Snow is and what Daenerys Targaryen does. May I recommend editing your post and adding the secret text? I've gone and done it for your quote.
Mr. Tact wrote on Sep 10, 2020, 09:35:
As Kx indicates, all those questions are answered in the books by Brian Herbert. I haven't read all of them, basically just the ones which effectively finish the story from the original six novels which meant reading: The Butlerian Jihad, The Machine Crusade, The Battle of Corrin, Hunters of Dune, Sandworms of Dune. I'm not sure how well Brian Herbert's novels were received but I enjoyed the ones I read. Frank certainly left us hanging on a cliff wondering what it was Duncan was "sensing". My understanding is at least some of what Brian wrote was based on story outlines written by Frank, discovered many years after Frank's death.
Cutter wrote on Sep 9, 2020, 23:59:jdreyer wrote on Sep 9, 2020, 22:57:
Regardless I haven't read the book so I still don't understand the point of Mau'Dib. So he becomes Super Jesus. Great. Now what? They change the face of Arrakis? To what? And why? And what happens after it's done and what does he do? Just ride around on worms while blasting rails of spice the rest of his days? What happens to the witches and space folding dudes and everyone else?
It's like Star Wars. They blew up the Death Star, so what? How the hell did that end the war? It's akin to some band of rebels destroying a Roman outpost somewhere and Rome itself falling for some inexplicable reason. So - back to Dune - the Emperor and all these other aristocrats just take a knee and say 'Hail to the King, baby!'?
The major theme of the Dune series is actually warning against charismatic leaders and the hero's journey. The idea that you should rely on yourself instead. It's one of the things explored in "God Emperor of Dune" when you finally see the reveal of Leto II's Golden Path and the reasons he did what he did.
As for the Emperor and other aristocrats, that is pretty much what they do. Those who didn't submit were subject to the very jihad that started this conversation, which burned its way across the galaxy and destroyed many worlds. In addition, you have to realize that the Fremen aren't just a "band of rebels"... Under Paul, they hold the single most important resource in the universe... Spice. The rest of the Imperium is so reliant on it (for space travel, soothsaying, etc) that to have access cut off would be disastrous... so you bend the knee.
Kxmode wrote on Sep 9, 2020, 23:16:jdreyer wrote on Sep 9, 2020, 22:57:
Faran Tahir as Stilgar (he played Captain Robau in Star Trek )
Sofia Boutella as Chani
Amr Waked or Hossein Mahjoub as Liet-Kynes (Hossein Mahjoub's performance in the Persian film The Color of Paradise is good; the film is good too)
Tahir I could see playing Stilgar definitely. Boutella is way too old for Chani... she's almost 40.
jdreyer wrote on Sep 9, 2020, 23:08:MrBone wrote on Sep 9, 2020, 22:12:
The 1984 version still rides high. The TV version was excellent as well. This one, though I love the director’s work, seems a bit flat. We’ll see.
That version gets a lot of shit, but I love what David Lynch did with it. He created a world, and it drew me in. I rewatched it last year, and it was still awesome.
Kxmode wrote on Sep 9, 2020, 22:40:
A description sure, but Paul did not speak that word. He said, "Jihad is coming." It would be like someone taking Van Gogh's "The Starry Night" and making it a day scene, or someone rebooting Star Wars and changing "the force" to "space magic" (or worse, midichlorians). Words matter, and when used in dialog, they have meaning, especially in a series like Dune with a rich tapestry based on Arabic culture and Islam. If I watch a movie based on a book, I want the film to match the source material as much as possible, and that means leaving a word like "jihad" in the movie regardless of whatever backlash they think they'll receive. Changing it is a red flag that they've decided not to stick with the books despite the impressive trailer.
1badmf wrote on Sep 9, 2020, 22:08:
not digging momoa as... who is he? halleck? idaho? duncan i think, the way he greets him upon arrival on arrakis. he's such a one dimensional actor. the others i greatly admire, but him - such an odd choice. like if arnold schwarzenneger played him in the 80s dune. but then again they got Sting to play feyd and he was grand, so momoa could totally surprise me i guess.
Mr. Tact wrote on Sep 9, 2020, 21:09:
*meh* I am less bothered by the word change the fact they seem to have him seeing the jihad coming when being questioned by Reverend Mother Gaius Helen Mohiam while on Caladan. While he did dream of the future while on Caladan unless my memory fails me (which is certainly possible) he doesn't dream of the jihad until much later. While this in of itself is not a major problem, it causes me fear of what else they might change...
Cutter wrote on Sep 9, 2020, 21:29:
The rock opera Pink Floyd however does not bode well. This should be a classically scored work. I also wish he'd chosen some lower profile actors. Tired of seeing Momoa, Brolin, etc. everywhere. I like them yes but they've just all been in way too much stuff of late.
Kxmode wrote on Sep 9, 2020, 21:01:
They did a regrettable thing by changing Paul's "there's a jihad coming" to "there's a crusade coming." Frank Herbert meant "jihad" as Dune's ethos is based around Islamic and Arabic themes. Plus, the word "jihad" is more fitting as it means "struggle." House Atreides is struggling to survive, as are the Fremen. It would have been better to use the word "struggle" as a word like "crusade" is loaded and has a history.
Ozmodan wrote on Sep 2, 2020, 10:41:
As usual, Nvidia making performance claims that are ludicrous. A friend has the new 3080 to test, his results are not even close to what Nvidia is claiming. The 3080 is about the same performance as the 2080 ti in games that he has tested so far. Don't expect a lot of units to be available of the 3080 or 3090 for this year as the GDDR6X memory is in short supply since it just literally came out.