You know what I'm sick of? - Buying the latest and greatest video card, only to hear an announcement that the best card is about to be released in a couple of months by the same manufacturer. WTF. 9700pro comes out, and within a few months, the 9800. The 9700 was supposed to be 'the' Doom3 card. I bought it. Then the 9800 is supposedly 'the' Doom3 card. So I, and a million other idiots run out and grab it. Now I find out the jerks at ATI are already announcing the next 'greatest' chip just months away, and the jerks at ID are telling us it'll be next year now, as if another four $#*&ing chipsets won't be released by then. My days of upgrading my computer are over. If it turns out Halflife2 and Doom3 don't run all that well on 9800 cards, then they can shove their games. I'll keep buying everything that runs on this machine, and when that doesn't work anymore, I'll buy a Playstation3 or Nintendo Gamesphere or whatever the hell is out. I have a 9800 and there isn't any game worth playing out there that I couldn't be running well on my old Geforce 4200! If ID's stategy is to hype the hell out of their game so everyone runs out and upgrades, it's gonna backfire on them, cuz everyone who just bought an FX or 9x00 card and finds out ID's POS will run like a slideshow on their systems are gonna say FU ID. Think about it...the E3 Demo is unoptimized, sure....but even if the final code could run that demo at twice the framerate, there's nothing going on yet! A couple of retarded (absolutely no AI) zombies walking straight at you does not tax your cpu. What do you think would happen if you had five enemies shooting at you whilst dodging your bullets and working out stategies (sneak around and flank you...not scripted either)...in other words...if there was actually a game being processed as well as the graphics. For Doom3 to run decently on todays hottest hardware, it's going to have to be a boring pile of steaming braindead zombie-shooting/target-practice crap. That's probably why they're holding off on the release- So that more than 2 percent of the gaming public has the hardware to at least run it with all the eye candy turned off at an acceptable framerate. You really believe that BS about the minimum hardware requirements? Will the game run in wireframe mode?! If you want an immersive gaming experience with lots of action and Doom3's graphics, you'll likely have to wait until 'the' Doom3 card comes out....not the next 'the' Doom3 card, but likely 3 or 4 'the' Doom3 cards down the road. Screw off with the new chipsets and overhyped vaporware...give us some games that can actually make us of what we have NOW!