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News Comments > Oculus Facing Political Backlash [Updated]
159. Re: Oculus Facing Political Backlash [Updated] Sep 26, 2016, 17:18 Orogogus
 
Wowbagger_TIP wrote on Sep 26, 2016, 16:44:
Beamer wrote on Sep 26, 2016, 13:15:
Also, how can anyone say it's the "liberals" trying to censor when it's the conservatives irate over black athletes kneeling during the pledge of allegiance?

I like how Orogogus completely ignored this point and went straight to "It's the liberals man!"

The fact that the opposition is censoring doesn't mean your team isn't doing it, too, when it mobs up. And it looks worse on the side that claims to be tolerant and inclusive. "Nuh-uh, conservatives!" is a crap argument.
 
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News Comments > Oculus Facing Political Backlash [Updated]
158. Re: Oculus Facing Political Backlash [Updated] Sep 26, 2016, 17:12 Orogogus
 
Wowbagger_TIP wrote on Sep 26, 2016, 16:48:
Sure, it's his right to support whomever he wants, verbally or financially.

Now explain to us why all the people who don't like him supporting a racist group and candidate don't have a right to choose not to support his company, and by extension, Palmer himself, either verbally or financially.

Orogogus wrote:
If you, as an individual, don't want to buy the Rift because of Luckey, that's your right. But thanks to the Internet it's not hard to turn that into a mob demanding that Luckey be removed or else they'll drag Oculus' name into the mud. "Oh well, it's one employee and he can do what he wants with his money, even if hypothetically everyone else at Facebook and Oculus donates way more money to Hillary" is apparently not an option.
 
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News Comments > Sunday Metaverse
50. Re: Sunday Metaverse Sep 26, 2016, 16:17 Orogogus
 
eRe4s3r wrote on Sep 26, 2016, 16:03:
One last thing, what about employers? Is insurance a shared burden between company and employee or is it 100% on the employee?

I had a hard time finding numbers. Under the ACA employers have to pay 50% (to the employee only) to claim a tax credit, but the average is apparently 83% employer coverage for the employee, and 72% for a family.
 
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News Comments > Oculus Facing Political Backlash [Updated]
155. Re: Oculus Facing Political Backlash [Updated] Sep 26, 2016, 14:33 Orogogus
 
Beamer wrote on Sep 26, 2016, 14:21:
Orogogus wrote on Sep 26, 2016, 14:14:
Beamer wrote on Sep 26, 2016, 13:50:
It's less about what they've actually done and more that Palmer Luckey tried to anonymously raise funds for a pro-Trump PAC.

If you don't care about how racist it is or isn't or what anyone's actually done, then I don't see how this isn't just mobbing up on anyone who supports the candidate you don't like and trying to make them unemployable.

Why would you not care about how racist Trump is? That's the whole point here. He's trying to use his money to raise the money of those much less fortunate than him in order to support a candidate who pushes policies that are counter the interests of a significant chunk of his company's audience.

Not Trump; I'm talking about the PAC, and Luckey. I'm not convinced they're actually Trump supporters, and apparently neither were the Trump supporters on Reddit. I kind of think it was some scam for lulz.

And again, from the point of view of principle, it's Luckey's right to support whoever he wants and do what he wants with his money, within the legal strictures regarding PACs and superPACs. From a pragmatic point of view, do you really think money withheld from Oculus and Facebook would have gone to Clinton or to Trump?
 
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News Comments > Oculus Facing Political Backlash [Updated]
153. Re: Oculus Facing Political Backlash [Updated] Sep 26, 2016, 14:14 Orogogus
 
Beamer wrote on Sep 26, 2016, 13:50:
It's less about what they've actually done and more that Palmer Luckey tried to anonymously raise funds for a pro-Trump PAC.

If you don't care about how racist it is or isn't or what anyone's actually done, then I don't see how this isn't just mobbing up on anyone who supports the candidate you don't like and trying to make them unemployable.
 
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News Comments > Sunday Metaverse
43. Re: Morning Legal Briefs Sep 26, 2016, 14:02 Orogogus
 
Verno wrote on Sep 26, 2016, 13:23:
nin wrote on Sep 26, 2016, 10:35:
It is when the most they can muster is 10%, with the other two in the 40s. At that point, your vote is worthless. You sacrifice it to make yourself feel better.

Voting doesn't make me feel good, its just something I take seriously. It's never pointless to take the time to select someone whose platform you like based on logic and reason. If its for a third party then so be it, we'll never have a viable third party without some momentum shifting at some point and that takes votes even if it means a bunch of sunk elections along the way. You don't change the status quo by purposely continuing it just because you're worried your vote lacks agency.

Most of the time when I hear that argument it seems to be from people who just want you to lean towards their candidate of choice.

I was going to blather on about the US winner take all system for legislative seats, but it looks like the Christian Science Monitor just did it for me: Link

Realistically, I think a viable third party candidate looks like Trump. In the absence of a massive party's electioneering machine, you want a demagogue that speaks to a large number of people who don't feel like either of the broad coalitions in a two-party system are working for them.
 
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News Comments > Oculus Facing Political Backlash [Updated]
151. Re: Oculus Facing Political Backlash [Updated] Sep 26, 2016, 13:34 Orogogus
 
Beamer wrote on Sep 26, 2016, 13:15:
Porn-O-Matic wrote on Sep 26, 2016, 13:10:
See, this is why there's no freedom in this country anymore. The constitution provides you with many rights to live how you want and even say what you believe, but your fellow man... society at large... is now the oppressor and censor. The bully, in fact. But, that's what happens when we're lead by liberal fucktards hell bent on bullshit hypocritical policies of so-called "tolerance", although they are completely INtolerant of anyone with views or opinions that differ from their own.

Are you arguing to tolerate intolerance? Again, Trump isn't a normal candidate, and what Luckey did went beyond "supporting" him.

Also, how can anyone say it's the "liberals" trying to censor when it's the conservatives irate over black athletes kneeling during the pledge of allegiance?

Because, frankly, it's the liberals trying to censor here. If you, as an individual, don't want to buy the Rift because of Luckey, that's your right. But thanks to the Internet it's not hard to turn that into a mob demanding that Luckey be removed or else they'll drag Oculus' name into the mud. "Oh well, it's one employee and he can do what he wants with his money, even if hypothetically everyone else at Facebook and Oculus donates way more money to Hillary" is apparently not an option.

I think the ragers have to look a little harder at what Luckey's $10,000 and this Nimble America group has actually done, which is buy a frankly not particularly offensive billboard in Pittsburgh and link to some one or two pieces of racist rhetoric and a few rally videos on their website that has almost nothing else on it. Keep in mind that the Trump supporters thought they were probably being scammed.

When people were up in arms and I saw the term "shitposting", I assumed this was some kind supermob GamerGate kind of thing, but there's basically nothing here. This group is a nonentity.
 
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News Comments > Sunday Metaverse
41. Re: Sunday Metaverse Sep 26, 2016, 13:11 Orogogus
 
eRe4s3r wrote on Sep 26, 2016, 09:16:
Ah thanks So normal health insurance pays the insurance for poor? What about a requirement to actually be insured if ye working a normal job (and hence removing the 2nd issue, namely that only sick people would be insured which creates huge uncovered costs in the system (aside from the already extremely high cost medical system in the US, lacking any oversight and regulations??))??

Is the insurance fee calculated based on income?

The individual mandate portion of the ACA requires everyone to buy insurance or pay a tax penalty if they're not covered by an employer. Low income applicants get a tax credit.

Also, I don't know if it's changed now, but fifteen or twenty years ago insurance companies would look for any reason to exclude anyone who might have a pre-existing condition. EDIT: Now that I look, that's expressly forbidden by the ACA now.

This comment was edited on Sep 26, 2016, 14:33.
 
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News Comments > Oculus Facing Political Backlash [Updated]
34. Re: Oculus Facing Political Backlash Sep 24, 2016, 03:52 Orogogus
 
Quboid wrote on Sep 23, 2016, 21:09:
I don't particularly care about some guy's dumb political views but funding shitposting is ridiculous behaviour for a public figure (or an adult). Making any political statement is going to annoy plenty of people, who are free to think and, to a point, react as they see fit.

It's petty and self-defeating to stop making software for the Rift. That's also childish.

I finally got around to reading all the articles, and looking at this Nimble America thing and what Luckey's actually done and posted, and I can see why the Trump subreddit thought it was being trolled. As far as I can tell, all this group has done is buy one mostly harmless anti-Clinton billboard, and argue on Reddit about whether or not they're for real. Their website looks it was put together in 20 minutes (although, to be fair, so do the websites for all the other PACs I looked at, for both candidates).

I'm not 100% convinced this group wasn't made just to take in a bunch of money from Trump supporters and then release some lolcat-themed zinger at the end.

Based on what's actually been said and done so far, the indie boycotts do look petty and childish.
 
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News Comments > Oculus Facing Political Backlash [Updated]
29. Re: Oculus Facing Political Backlash Sep 24, 2016, 02:28 Orogogus
 
Slick wrote on Sep 24, 2016, 00:24:
Orogogus wrote on Sep 23, 2016, 23:12:
Slick wrote on Sep 23, 2016, 21:40:
And speaking of Trump, is there any enlightened mind on here that can point me towards a youtube video that clearly explains to dumb people that trump is a bad idea? In a way that they'll understand?

...

Is there a better way to bridge the retard-gap?

You could try talking down to them and completely dismissing their viewpoints as condescendingly as possible? Often an extremely convincing tactic.

Oh good, my bait worked.

Please elaborate on the viewpoints that I'm dismissing. I mean, I'm pretty up to date on what Trump says and does, but maybe I'm just witnessing an alternate reality.

Besides not really having a platform (shhh, it's secret), all I really think Trump has said when he's not shitting on everything that makes America great, is saying how America is shit, and only he can make it great again.

Can you imagine a democrat running on a platform that "America sucks?" Rush Limbaugh would choke on his fistful of oxycontin. They'd run them out of town, other democrats would purge them from their party. It's usually arch-conservatives like O'Reilly and Coulter that say liberals love to "blame America first". Am I wrong? How does the Republican candidate get away with saying that America is shit?

So please enlighten me, I'm a dumb pleb with no concept of the subtleties of the viewpoints that the Trump campaign is expressing.

I didn't say you're wrong. But no one believes you're interested in actually convincing people you've labeled as dumb people and retards. You just like to argue on the Internet.
 
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News Comments > Oculus Facing Political Backlash [Updated]
20. Re: Oculus Facing Political Backlash Sep 23, 2016, 23:12 Orogogus
 
Slick wrote on Sep 23, 2016, 21:40:
And speaking of Trump, is there any enlightened mind on here that can point me towards a youtube video that clearly explains to dumb people that trump is a bad idea? In a way that they'll understand?

...

Is there a better way to bridge the retard-gap?

You could try talking down to them and completely dismissing their viewpoints as condescendingly as possible? Often an extremely convincing tactic.
 
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News Comments > Oculus Facing Political Backlash [Updated]
4. Re: Oculus Facing Political Backlash Sep 23, 2016, 21:05 Orogogus
 
Opinions on either side aren't monolithic. There were both liberals and conservatives who opined that the shitstorms against Brad Wardell at Stardock or Shadow Complex because of Orson Scott Card were pointless. Plenty of people here expressed opinions that the only thing that matters is whether they make good games or whatever. Not everyone is jumping on the anti-Luckey bandwagon here, either.  
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News Comments > New NVIDIA GeForce Drivers
8. Re: New NVIDIA GeForce Drivers Sep 22, 2016, 01:26 Orogogus
 
Creston wrote on Sep 21, 2016, 21:54:
FH3 isn't coming out tomorrow for PCs, is it? I somehow doubt it'll be released for PCs before it hits the Xbone, and on the Xbone it's next Tuesday, or this Friday for the peeps who bought the ultra-edition-whatever package.

The Microsoft store is surprisingly specific:

Standard edition: Link
Release date: 9/26/2016, 9:00:00 PM

Ultimate edition: Link
Release date: 9/22/2016, 9:00:00 PM

So looks like a simultaneous release. But now that you mention it, I seem to remember that this is one of the new cross play titles -- you're basically getting the Xbox and Win10 versions together.
 
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News Comments > More Steam Review System Tweaks
4. Re: More Steam Review System Tweaks Sep 21, 2016, 13:08 Orogogus
 
Kxmode wrote on Sep 21, 2016, 12:43:
Valve should give players the ability to rate the gameplay, graphics, audio, value and fun and then create an aggregate score for each. I would much rather have this type of rating system.

You can write all you want about the gameplay, graphics, etc., and you can write whatever score you feel like in the body text. But I think if you really needed that sort of thing you would go to a reviews site instead of looking at Steam reviews. Steam reviews fulfill the same role as Amazon reviews, forcing everyone into a template would drastically cut down on the number of people who write reviews, which kind of defeats the point.
 
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News Comments > Sunday Tech Bits
17. Re: Sunday Tech Bits Sep 20, 2016, 06:30 Orogogus
 
eRe4s3r wrote on Sep 20, 2016, 00:36:
Orogogus wrote on Sep 19, 2016, 01:32:
From what I've seen, the Asian countries which do well in math don't go out of their way to make it relatable or fun. Parents from those countries who come to the US to raise their kids don't expect it either. Ultimately, The touchy-feely fun and relatable method is simply less effective than the do-well-so-you-don't-starve-or-die-in-the-slums school of thought.

You really wanna copy a school system with the highest youth suicide rates in the world?

That doesn't seem to bear out:
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1414751/
https://afsp.org/about-suicide/suicide-statistics/
 
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News Comments > Sunday Tech Bits
10. Re: Sunday Tech Bits Sep 19, 2016, 01:32 Orogogus
 
From what I've seen, the Asian countries which do well in math don't go out of their way to make it relatable or fun. Parents from those countries who come to the US to raise their kids don't expect it either. Ultimately, The touchy-feely fun and relatable method is simply less effective than the do-well-so-you-don't-starve-or-die-in-the-slums school of thought.  
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News Comments > Evening Mobilization
3. Re: Evening Mobilization Sep 14, 2016, 21:26 Orogogus
 
The article says she used it for her job, in real estate.  
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News Comments > Steam Review Changes to Fight Fraud
55. Re: Steam Review Changes to Fight Fraud Sep 14, 2016, 13:53 Orogogus
 
VaranDragon wrote on Sep 14, 2016, 09:48:
Except that its nothing like what you are saying it is like. This is basically limiting the meta score to users who purchased their games THROUGH Steam. If you purchased your game through GOG for example, your review wont count. I don't see how this has anything to do with fake reviews, beacuse you still need to purchase and play the game just like anyone else except now it has to be done exclusively through Steam.

The new system doesn't do anything about fake reviews, because you're still allowed to post reviews. It only prevents your score from being counted, and I'm inclined to think they limit it to games bought directly from Steam because those are the only ones they can be sure aren't being given away free for the purpose of inflating scores.

re: 10 point scale

If you really wanted to let people know what you thought, then you'd write a damn review and people could read it and mark it as helpful if it's worthwhile. Putting in an 8 instead of a thumbs up is not doing anyone any favors.
 
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News Comments > Steam Review Changes to Fight Fraud
32. Re: Steam Review Changes to Fight Fraud Sep 13, 2016, 15:41 Orogogus
 
Creston wrote on Sep 13, 2016, 15:27:
Tipsy McStagger wrote on Sep 13, 2016, 13:20:
Would this be a function of the developer or valve? I think it's developer scope so it would be difficult to enforce since the developer could say that these range of algorithm keys are for steam but they could give them away.

Remember, most of these fake reviews are done to sell more titles, not to commit review terrorism onto other games

I think Valve gives you keys to give out to other people. Similarly, Valve gives keys to publishers for them to sell, which is how GMG gets their stuff. I would imagine Valve is behind every key generated? In which case it shouldn't be too hard for them to generate different sets of keys that denote what they are and for what purpose they were given to third parties.

Doesn't that not work if it's the publisher trying to game the system? Like, isn't it up to the publisher to arrange for keys for resellers? Once it's out of Valve's hands, it seems like it would be really hard for Valve to keep them under control.
 
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News Comments > Steam Review Changes to Fight Fraud
26. Re: Steam Review Changes to Fight Fraud Sep 13, 2016, 14:04 Orogogus
 
The Half Elf wrote on Sep 13, 2016, 13:17:
So can anyone explain to me how fake reviews are affecting fraud or vice versa?
I get stolen credit cards being used to buy Steam keys, but where does the review thing come in?

A developer could give away keys to people -- or pay them -- to inflate scores? Same thing as other online storefronts, you could end up with vendors who promise x positive votes from unique accounts for $y.
 
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