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News Comments > Steam Review Changes to Fight Fraud
32. Re: Steam Review Changes to Fight Fraud Sep 13, 2016, 15:41 Orogogus
 
Creston wrote on Sep 13, 2016, 15:27:
Tipsy McStagger wrote on Sep 13, 2016, 13:20:
Would this be a function of the developer or valve? I think it's developer scope so it would be difficult to enforce since the developer could say that these range of algorithm keys are for steam but they could give them away.

Remember, most of these fake reviews are done to sell more titles, not to commit review terrorism onto other games

I think Valve gives you keys to give out to other people. Similarly, Valve gives keys to publishers for them to sell, which is how GMG gets their stuff. I would imagine Valve is behind every key generated? In which case it shouldn't be too hard for them to generate different sets of keys that denote what they are and for what purpose they were given to third parties.

Doesn't that not work if it's the publisher trying to game the system? Like, isn't it up to the publisher to arrange for keys for resellers? Once it's out of Valve's hands, it seems like it would be really hard for Valve to keep them under control.
 
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News Comments > Steam Review Changes to Fight Fraud
26. Re: Steam Review Changes to Fight Fraud Sep 13, 2016, 14:04 Orogogus
 
The Half Elf wrote on Sep 13, 2016, 13:17:
So can anyone explain to me how fake reviews are affecting fraud or vice versa?
I get stolen credit cards being used to buy Steam keys, but where does the review thing come in?

A developer could give away keys to people -- or pay them -- to inflate scores? Same thing as other online storefronts, you could end up with vendors who promise x positive votes from unique accounts for $y.
 
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News Comments > Morning Tech Bits
19. Re: Morning Tech Bits Sep 6, 2016, 19:34 Orogogus
 
jdreyer wrote on Sep 6, 2016, 16:09:
HorrorScope wrote on Sep 6, 2016, 14:50:
Dagnamit wrote on Sep 6, 2016, 14:25:
The only way we see price reductions in VR tech is if there's a viable challenger on the mid/low end. A rift with room-scale tracking and motion controls will end up being about the same price as a VIVE, $800. Both Oculus and Valve/HTC have been on record that new gear won't be arriving until, at least late 2017 and probably 2018, and they really have no reason to reduce price until a 3rd competitor appears.

Valve and Oculus are competitors, so we have that, don't treat them as we one.

But greater yet, if it is true buyers are drying up... that is the A#1 reason to reduce price or get V2 out soon. It doesn't matter about competition if people aren't buying.

I know this is obvious stuff, but you made it sound like they can just sit there because of a lack of competition. If people aren't buying in a market that is suggested to boom, you are dead if you don't do anything. Dead.

Vive/Rift are a duopoly. Even without direct collusion, it's a very uncompetitive market. You only need to see that the 'Rift retail is twice the price of the dev kits to see how inflated the price is.

But yeah, with buyers drying up they'll need to drop their price. But they can't do it too fast, or they will take a hit from people who bought at full price. We'll probably see a big Black Friday sale to wipe out overstock, since that's a way of reducing the price temporarily without getting complaints. Then we'll probably see a permanent price drop in 2017.

100% is the standard retailer and middleman add-on cost (i.e., 50% markup) for most consumer products. There are exceptions like PCs, printers and game consoles, but when you say OMG 100% MARKUP COLLUSION I'm not really seeing it.

I also don't think it's going to take a low cost alternative to push prices down. Oculus and Valve/HTC are recouping their R&D costs with this release, and they knew that the first generation was going to be for early adopters. Costs will go down as the technology stabilizes and production ramps up, just like they did for sound cards and CD-ROM drives, although this is more of a niche product and probably won't see a comparably dramatic drop.
 
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News Comments > Out of the Blue
11. Re: Out of the Blue Sep 6, 2016, 12:57 Orogogus
 
jdreyer wrote on Sep 6, 2016, 03:35:
At least there's some ethnic diversity in Irvine. Try going to Aliso Viejo: same creepy urbanism, but the men are all white and the women are all peroxide blondes.

I went to high school in Mission Viejo, and from what I remember Aliso Viejo had a significant proportion of Asians, about the same as Mission Viejo (although not nearly as much as Irvine, like whoa). Laguna Beach, next door, was noticeably whiter.
 
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News Comments > Morning Tech Bits
4. Re: Morning Tech Bits Aug 30, 2016, 11:05 Orogogus
 
None of you guys actually click links to read the articles before commenting, do you?  
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News Comments > Deus Ex: Mankind Divided Patched
44. Re: Deus Ex: Mankind Divided Patched Aug 24, 2016, 16:38 Orogogus
 
Atomic wrote on Aug 24, 2016, 12:47:
Yet your reply elevates the conversation considerably?

This attack you've leveled against CJ is a clear case of a violation of forum rules, but nothing will be done, because nin.

(Not defending the content of CJ's post, I've just grown tired of the different set of rules on display here).

I don't think that's true. Not every forum moderates the same or interprets their rules identically, and Blues has always been more lenient than most other sites. To have posts deleted nin has to pretty much directly address CJ and call him names. If someone talks about nin and how bad and stupid his posts that's totally going to slide -- someone, I think Redmask?, does that, and those posts don't get deleted. People do it to Beamer, too, and Cutter.

And I hardly ever see new guys get their posts yanked unless they're robots or there's some particular rule in play, like not linking G2A. It's always guys who have been around for over a decade and still haven't figured out what gets the red.
 
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News Comments > Zenimax vs Oculus Heats Up
5. Re: Zenimax vs Oculus Heats Up Aug 22, 2016, 19:36 Orogogus
 
eRe4s3r wrote on Aug 22, 2016, 18:52:
If there were no truth to it then Zenimax would be pretty daft to pull this. Imo it makes a lot of sense though when you look back at how quickly Palmer rushed in the arms of Facebook. I doubt Facebook was the only investor that put a bid in.

I mean, the "Scrolls" lawsuit was insane. There aren't many companies who would actually be giving up market base by peddling a false association with Skyrim, but Mojang is one of them.
 
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News Comments > Titanfall 2 Testing Skipping PCs
11. Re: Titanfall 2 Testing Skipping PCs Aug 15, 2016, 21:25 Orogogus
 
Bill Borre wrote on Aug 15, 2016, 20:55:
Yeah, DangerDog, I thought that was a funny thing to put in the comment as well. Is the conclusion we draw is console gamers are too stupid to ferret out information?

I think the idea is that they're much less likely to go into the files with a hex editor or decompiler, or modify files to access disabled content.
 
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News Comments > Out of the Blue
20. Re: Out of the Blue Aug 10, 2016, 14:30 Orogogus
 
The graphic novel I saw, featuring the two men in black, was a total piece of garbage in my opinion.  
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News Comments > Out of the Blue
10. Re: Out of the Blue Aug 8, 2016, 14:19 Orogogus
 
Creston wrote on Aug 8, 2016, 09:51:
I only just watched Serenity about a month ago, and holy shit, talk about a gutpunch at the end.

For a series where the heroes comically never got hurt, despite (for example) standing in the open while 30+ armed gunmen are shooting at them, Serenity is a fucking brutal sendoff. And seriously, (secret) You couldn't give Wash a better end than THAT???


I think people said that the reason there's a tonal shift between the movie and the TV series is because Fox put a bunch of demands and limitations on Whedon for TV, but eh... I liked the TV series a lot more than the movie. Everyone was angry and punchy, and I just didn't find it much fun.
 
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News Comments > Marvel: Ultimate Alliance & Marvel: Ultimate Alliance 2 on Steam
7. Re: Marvel: Ultimate Alliance & Marvel: Ultimate Alliance 2 on Steam Jul 26, 2016, 14:33 Orogogus
 
nin wrote on Jul 26, 2016, 14:27:
Orogogus wrote on Jul 26, 2016, 14:19:
I know Activision is a byword for being absurdly out of touch with pricing, but... $60 is their discounted bundle price for a pair of games that released 10 and 7 years ago? Seriously?

They did the same thing when they rereleased Deadpool...

I feel like 2 years is just about at the edge between reasonable and silly. 10 years, though... we're talking about a game that released on the PS2 and original Xbox.
 
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News Comments > Marvel: Ultimate Alliance & Marvel: Ultimate Alliance 2 on Steam
5. Re: Marvel: Ultimate Alliance & Marvel: Ultimate Alliance 2 on Steam Jul 26, 2016, 14:19 Orogogus
 
I know Activision is a byword for being absurdly out of touch with pricing, but... $60 is their discounted bundle price for a pair of games that released 10 and 7 years ago? Seriously?  
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News Comments > Morning Metaverse
66. Re: Morning Metaverse Jul 21, 2016, 04:33 Orogogus
 
Redmask wrote on Jul 20, 2016, 23:34:
The tweets were not photoshopped, there is no evidence to support that claim and in fact its quite the opposite if you look at her twitter history.

What does that mean? I don't see them in the Twitter history. As yuastnav said, these tweets don't show up on Google, unlike anything else that's been retweeted -- everything gets amplified by aggregators and sites made to follow Twitter. And the one on the right has supposedly been retweeted 785 times and favorited or liked 4,000 times, yet nothing. The evidence seems clear to me that Beamer's correct.
 
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News Comments > Morning Metaverse
53. Re: Morning Metaverse Jul 20, 2016, 22:11 Orogogus
 
Quboid wrote on Jul 20, 2016, 21:06:
Beamer wrote on Jul 20, 2016, 20:48:
As per the proof. Leslie Jones has a blue check. Those photoshopped tweets do not.

Blue ticks aren't displayed all the time. On someone's profile, the tick is at the top but not on each tweet. She claims they're fake, but she has posted plenty of trash. It wouldn't surprise me either way.

The one on the left should have the check, shouldn't it?

And if the other one really had 785 and 4K whatevers, it would probably show up in a Google search. This seems to be the case when I try it with Bill Gates or Justin Bieber, at least. Simply deleting it wouldn't be so effective that it disappears.
 
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News Comments > System Shock Remake Funded
31. Re: System Shock Remake Funded Jul 12, 2016, 18:45 Orogogus
 
Kevin Lowe wrote on Jul 12, 2016, 11:47:
Wesp5 wrote on Jul 12, 2016, 10:06:
Kevin Lowe wrote on Jul 11, 2016, 16:16:
I'm guessing that you haven't played Metroid or Castlevania either, so you probably don't know what that means.

Yeah, I didn't play Metroid or Castlevania either and wasn't aware SS and SS2 are part of a series with those. Still, bad level design isn't getting better only because other games made the same stupid mistakes!
Explaining it again isn't going to make you any less ignorant, so I'm not sure it's worth the time.

System Shock didn't really have the multiple elevators that SS2 did, though. You use the central elevator for nearly everything except a few bits involving groves and the last level or so.
 
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News Comments > Morning Legal Briefs
14. Re: Morning Legal Briefs Jul 12, 2016, 14:52 Orogogus
 
Mashiki Amiketo wrote on Jul 12, 2016, 14:11:
Because that's exactly what happened. What? You couldn't find that with a 20 second google search. Take a look at the news media, touting the key thing that she got funding was because she was female, read the VC magazines which said the same thing. Oh yeah, they touted her as the next female Steve Jobs and pushed very hard, and the money went from a trickle to a flood. Guess blind ignorance is lovely sometimes right?

Provide a link, then? A VC who says that the only reason they gave money was the woman thing?

Oh, and tainted blood transfusions? People went to prison for that at least here in Canada 8 years to be exact. But you also seem to be forgetting that there's a negligence difference in most of your examples. Don't forget either on the levels of fraud committed here, and the very between the lines reading that they knew that their product didn't work. I know, difficult thing to grasp right. Then again you guys in the US have far more problems with your drug industry and how it's regulated then other parts of the world.

We're talking about the US, Theranos is a US company. Europe, Canada and Japan do have better records of sending executives to prison. But in the US, Holmes could have personally faked data and she wouldn't go to prison. For one thing, no one's died, and medical procedures are such that it's highly unlikely anyone would have received a false diagnosis because of their tests. To go to prison, she would probably have to falsify data, clearly knowing that doing so would cause someone to die. It's an impossible level of proof. The cigarette companies are the closest analog you'll find, where executives clearly covered up their own research showing their products were unhealthy, and had tons of memos saying "destroy this after reading it." Energy companies have it going on as well, suppressing climate change research results when it's clear that doing so will result in environmental damage. If you want Holmes to go to prison, you better hope she gets caught sticking up a liquor store.

And the level of fraud you're talking about -- faking data and knowing that a product doesn't work -- isn't as uncommon as you seem to think. The 2012 FDA warning letter to Alere basically accuses them of doctoring the QC results on their cardiac tests because they knew they wouldn't pass otherwise. There are a ton of products on the market, cleared using unreproducible data. For low and medium risk conditions, the difference between a non-confirmatory screening test that "works" and "doesn't work" is a lot less binary and much more a sliding scale -- a test works often enough can be deemed to be sufficiently useful to go on the market, and a lot of companies will push that line.
 
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News Comments > Morning Legal Briefs
9. Re: Morning Legal Briefs Jul 12, 2016, 13:50 Orogogus
 
Do you guys have any experience in medical diagnostics or pharmaceuticals? There's been way, way worse than this on record - thalidomide, tainted blood transfusions, the massive, massive promotion of off-label uses for drugs. How many men went to prison for 20 years? How many for even one day? (Hint: zero). Do you think anyone went to prison for blowing up the Challenger space shuttle? A schmuck who crashes a cruise boat aground and kills some people might go to prison. A CEO who testifies that cigarettes aren't addictive, or who creates a working environment of cost-cutting and negligence resulting in oil spills of millions of barrels of oil, not so much.

I mean: do you think that what Holmes did was the worst thing ever committed in the medical industry? Or do you think that there were tons of guys who have gone to prison for something similar? It's one or the other.

And Theranos' proposed product of microfluidics blood testing would be a huge deal, if it worked. It would be like those Star Trek tests that go "fwish" instead of sticking a needle in your arm. We would only need phlebotomists for blood donations instead of at every station. The entire vacutainer blood tube industry would be upended. What the fuck is wrong with you two that you think that venture capital committees threw billions at this company because they have a woman in charge?
 
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News Comments > G2A Planning Changes
57. Re: G2A Planning Changes Jun 28, 2016, 19:08 Orogogus
 
Creston wrote on Jun 28, 2016, 18:22:
Orogogus wrote on Jun 28, 2016, 15:21:
Those look like the same way to me. What's having it "one way" look like? You forbid people but don't actually have a cheaper price? You have multiple prices but let people pay more as an option?

They want to have regional pricing and completely abolish sites like G2A, GMG etc that bypass regional pricing to a certain extent and sell games cheaper to the typically 'rich' regions. This really doesn't seem that complicated?

That's just wanting the one thing, regional pricing. If everyone bypasses it then they don't have it at all. I don't see where you're going with this have their cake and eat it schtick. If the municipal government wants a 40 MPH speed limit zone, wanting people to not mount radar detectors and blast through isn't some separate desire.

In any case, I don't think they brought up regional pricing. That was, like, Cutter saying there's no such thing as black market keys, only regional keys.


Ehm, no, actually the CC companies tend to be pretty good with eating the cost of stolen credit cards themselves. (That they pass this cost back on their customers through higher fees, eh, but that happens in literally every single industry.) If your CC company pushes the cost of your stolen CC back onto you, might I suggest really, REALLY quickly switching to a non-asshole CC.

I feel like you're sometimes almost as bad as Cutter at skimming through quickly. The publisher is also the CC company's customer, and I put it in parentheses to clarify. The publisher/retailer/merchant very often does eat the cost, and I'm almost certain they would in this case -- as is often pointed out, pirated software doesn't necessarily equal a lost sale. On that basis, I'd be amazed if the CC companies coughed up any money to game companies making a loss claim.


Obviously they need to be notified by the CC company that so many keys were bought with stolen CC, and then they need to ban those keys immediately. Absent quicker action from the CC company there is little they can do of course, but bitching and whining about a site like G2A which solely exists BECAUSE of their "have cake and eat it too" regional pricing is just pathetic.

I don't think the CC companies are telling them, or else there would be a lot more of that reported. My impression is that this kind of operation uses stolen credit card numbers, not physical cards, so if it gets through the fraud detection algorithm then it might not get flagged until someone notices the bad charge on their card, by which time the key might have been turned around and sold already.
 
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News Comments > G2A Planning Changes
47. Re: G2A Planning Changes Jun 28, 2016, 15:52 Orogogus
 
Suppa7 wrote on Jun 28, 2016, 15:27:
Uhh that's the whole point, the people who make credit cards, and provide money payments as a service and charge for it are ultimatley responsible for fraud committed using their services. AKA if you can't make it fraud proof, aren't making secure cards. That's the company's fault not G2A's.

In the US, at least, end users are by law almost completely shielded from paying the cost of credit card fraud. Sometimes the bank behind the card will eat the cost, but usually it falls on the merchant. G2A doesn't care, so here it's going to be the game company who eats the loss, and they'll be left to their own devices to figure out how to fight it.
 
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News Comments > G2A Planning Changes
45. Re: G2A Planning Changes Jun 28, 2016, 15:21 Orogogus
 
Creston wrote on Jun 28, 2016, 13:04:
The publishers want to have it both ways. They want to have regional pricing AND to forbid people from the 'rich' markets from buying cheaper keys.

Those look like the same way to me. What's having it "one way" look like? You forbid people but don't actually have a cheaper price? You have multiple prices but let people pay more as an option?

So let's just say that the stuff we have now is a good enough compromise for both sides, and the only thing that needs to be focused on / combatted is the use of stolen credit cards to buy keys and dump them on a site like G2A. Quite frankly, I don't really even see why that's G2A's problem to begin with. That's on the CC companies and the publishers to take quicker action when they realize there is fraudulent activity.

Action like what? The credit card company isn't going to do jack, their natural inclination is going to be to put it all on their customer (the publisher). The publisher isn't going to know anything's amiss until keys show up on the market below cost. All they can do is take keys away from people who paid for them, and their logical recourse is going to be to make G2A look like the bad guys, then refuse to do business with them, and maybe then start taking keys away from customers.

What else do you think they can do? The illegal activity is the stolen credit cards, and they're not going to be able to touch that. Other than that... if they'd used those cards to buy lawn chairs online from Wal-Mart and then dumped them all on Ebay, where do you think it could be stopped?
 
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