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Signed On Feb 22, 2003, 03:15
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News Comments > Cheat Maker Owes Blizzard $8.5M
27. Re: Cheat Maker Owes Blizzard $8.5M Apr 6, 2017, 14:58 Orogogus
 
I think the way you originally phrased the question is faulty. You initially posed that it was hypocritical to blame gun supply and drug demand on different sides. But you're talking about the drug war now, which is basically the entire situation; there's no dichotomy between drug violence and drug cartels, and you wouldn't expect anyone to apportion blame for gun supply to one side and drug demand on the other. Your own counterargument puts the blame on Mexican cartels for a single situation. You can disagree about whether US demand brings about this violence or not, but I think the charge of hypocrisy is unwarranted.

There is some talk from the left about gun smuggling, but I don't believe they're suggesting that the violence would go away if the US cut off the supply of guns. They just want to go after gun manufacturers.
 
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News Comments > Steam Discovery Changes Will "Fight Fake Games"
33. Re: Steam Discovery Changes Will Apr 6, 2017, 13:09 Orogogus
 
JohnQP wrote on Apr 6, 2017, 08:01:
It seems obvious to me that a big part of what makes Steam and iTunes pre-eminent is that they got there first and got enough companies and users sufficiently invested that there's inertia on both sides against simply jumping ship to any competing service.

Why would one need to "jump ship" to use a different service?

As you can see whenever there's an Origin or UPlay related thread and even some of the GOG ones, people don't like having their libraries spread over multiple services, each with its own login. Steam at least lets you set up shortcuts for non-Steam games, but I don't think other services do. If you want to sort your library by size to see what to delete, that's that much more of a hassle if you have to do it for several different services. For multiplayer games your friends lists are tied to each account, and there might not be cross-play between services. Maybe people care about achievements and where they show up?

In the case of iTunes it's even clearer, since I think iTunes is the music player and your playlist runs off of iTunes. If you want to switch to a different ecosystem you'll have to convert your entire library unless you don't mind having to switch players to get to different songs.
 
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News Comments > Steam Discovery Changes Will "Fight Fake Games"
31. Re: Steam Discovery Changes Will Apr 5, 2017, 22:06 Orogogus
 
Margins shrink on the production side, not distribution. I'm trying to think of where margins have shrunk on distribution, either digital or physical, and examples don't really come to mind.

My points are 1) you haven't shown why 30% is too much, other than it seems like a big number, and 2) "I don't know anything about the details, but I'd guess monopolistic practices (coercing exclusive distro deals) are the only reason Steam has survived this long." was absurd.

It seems obvious to me that a big part of what makes Steam and iTunes pre-eminent is that they got there first and got enough companies and users sufficiently invested that there's inertia on both sides against simply jumping ship to any competing service.
 
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News Comments > Cheat Maker Owes Blizzard $8.5M
22. Re: Cheat Maker Owes Blizzard $8.5M Apr 5, 2017, 21:52 Orogogus
 
No, go ahead and be insulting if that's the only way you can explain. As I read it you made a digression about the political left, but I don't think it holds up.

- Leftists blame American drug use (demand) for Mexican sales of illegal drugs
- Leftists blame American gun manufacturers (supply) for selling guns to the criminals in Mexico

I don't think most people on the left blame drug users for the drug trade. The talk is usually about legalization to cut demand.

And I don't think left-leaners believe weapons companies are causing violence in Mexico or elsewhere. I think you're conflating two different usages of the word "blame" -- to find someone to be the cause of an undesirable effect, and to find someone to be behaving wrongly regardless of effect -- and it breaks the construction.
 
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News Comments > Steam Discovery Changes Will "Fight Fake Games"
29. Re: Steam Discovery Changes Will Apr 5, 2017, 21:28 Orogogus
 
JohnQP wrote on Apr 5, 2017, 20:43:
Good point, you ask a question I am wont to ask myself, when the roles are reversed. 5 or 10% seems much more reasonable, yes. I have this thing about middlemen...

It's not a useful number to talk about unless you have a point of comparison, or if you know the costs and revenues involved. Not liking middlemen doesn't make 50% or 30% or 5% the right number.

The idea that Valve is coercing exclusive deals seems wildly ridiculous, just completely disconnected from reality.

Speculation about anything has never struck me as completely disconnected from reality (certainly not whether a corp is engaging in profit-maximization).

Gabe Newell engineered the Trump election to drive people to seek solace in video games to escape from reality. That would be pretty disconnected.

Believing that Valve coerces companies into Steam exclusivity requires you to believe that hypothetical Valve salespeople put pressure on a ton of companies, and no one, not even the ones who went with multiple storefronts or even the competitors with tons of money who abandoned Steam entirely, ever said anything about it that made it to print. No one at Valve leaked this practice, while when their competitor in the VR market, Oculus, did this they quickly got a ton of bad press for it.

It requires a lot of conspiracy, and some of the players would have every incentive to stick a dagger in Valve. It's way easier to believe, with a lot of supporting circumstantial evidence, that Steam moves a lot more sales than its competitors, justifying its 30% cut.
 
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News Comments > NieR Ships 1M Copies
15. Re: NieR Ships 1M Copies Apr 5, 2017, 18:43 Orogogus
 
Beamer wrote on Apr 5, 2017, 18:39:
Drayth wrote on Apr 5, 2017, 18:30:
It's a little unsettling that I'm seeing a perfectly valid critique of the comment section in quotes, yet the actual post is removed. Was there something else to NetHead's post that warranted removal?

Most of CJ's posts are ludicrous but we get to enjoy each and every one of them.

Basically, it was a level of discourse I think even our worst trolls agree has no place here.

Think, "s u, f."

No, no, that was Geist. Nethead has a removed post, too.
 
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News Comments > Out of the Blue
14. Re: LG VR HMD Specs Apr 5, 2017, 17:52 Orogogus
 
Blue wrote on Apr 5, 2017, 17:42:
Shineyguy wrote on Apr 5, 2017, 16:02:
Holy crap, slower traffic keep right. I remember watching that video maybe 10 years ago. Looks like someone reposted it as new.

Nope. It was March 18, 2016.

Here's a story about the pilots getting their well-deserved medals.


Medals or not they should still drive faster in the leftmost lane.
 
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News Comments > Steam Discovery Changes Will "Fight Fake Games"
26. Re: Steam Discovery Changes Will Apr 5, 2017, 13:29 Orogogus
 
JohnQP wrote on Apr 5, 2017, 07:26:
P.S., I do kinda hate Steam; 30% cut for Valve is criminal. I wish some better service would come along and steal all their business. I don't know anything about the details, but I'd guess monopolistic practices (coercing exclusive distro deals) are the only reason Steam has survived this long. Otherwise someone charging far less should have eaten Gabe's lunch a long time ago.

People say this, but what are they comparing to? Just an imaginary world where digital distributors charge 2%, or is there an actual company you have in mind? I understand iTunes also takes 30%, and it seems to do less than Steam. GOG is supposed to be 30%. And when you sell something at retail most consumer goods go through two or three layers of 100% markup.

The Humble Store only takes 5%, according to the Fez guy, so there you go. Buy all your stuff there.

The idea that Valve is coercing exclusive deals seems wildly ridiculous, just completely disconnected from reality. If they did something like that it would be out on the web immediately, like it is when Oculus or Microsoft does something similar. Even the fact that Valve has salespeople would be news.

Just imagine a game announcing that it's only releasing as a Humble Store or itch.io exclusive, and then imagine the forum responses. Look at the posts when a publisher says it's launching its own online sales front. "Monopolistic practices" was really the most likely answer?
 
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News Comments > Cheat Maker Owes Blizzard $8.5M
20. Re: Cheat Maker Owes Blizzard $8.5M Apr 5, 2017, 13:12 Orogogus
 
JohnQP wrote on Apr 5, 2017, 06:56:
Leftists blame the drug trade on Americans, because they are the demand side (their argument, not mine). They also blame the gun trade on Americans, because they are the supply side (their argument, not mine). Notice the pattern?

That doesn't seem super solid. In your own analogy the drug users/dealers and gun retailers are pimps, hookers and johns. I think it's pretty obvious even to hardcore gun control proponents that if US companies didn't supply arms someone else would, but that doesn't lend any moral weight to doing so.
 
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News Comments > Sunday Legal Briefs
17. Re: Sunday Legal Briefs Apr 3, 2017, 07:24 Orogogus
 
eRe4s3r wrote on Apr 3, 2017, 07:16:
And I never said nor implied it was a race crime...

Cutter said it was a race crime (black on white) and you came in to defend that.
 
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News Comments > Sunday Legal Briefs
3. Re: Sunday Legal Briefs Apr 2, 2017, 15:50 Orogogus
 
As Beamer has said before, Cutter has a Cutter-focused viewpoint, not a liberal or conservative one. If you approach every news story with a filter for oldish middle-class white North American male whose interests consist of the Internet, you won't go far wrong predicting his opinion on any given subject.  
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News Comments > Saturday Safety Dance
7. Re: Saturday Safety Dance Apr 2, 2017, 15:42 Orogogus
 
Creston wrote on Apr 1, 2017, 22:58:
Saboth wrote on Apr 1, 2017, 16:01:
Hope he has fun in prison with all of those Wells Fargo, Enron, and Volkswagen executives that are in there.

So far, zero Volkswagen executives are in jail. One engineer is under arrest because they're worried he'll just leave the country, since Germany won't extradite him. But that's it. None of the other fuckers will see jailtime.

That was his point, I'm pretty sure -- it's a lot more okay, on the order of a 10 year prison sentence, to screw over your country and the public than it is to screw over your company.
 
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News Comments > Total War: WARHAMMER II Announced
8. Re: Total War: WARHAMMER II Announced Mar 31, 2017, 15:56 Orogogus
 
When they announced the first game they said it was going to be a trilogy where all three games can link into one combined map.

Link

That being the case, it wouldn't be a good idea to spread them out too much since the engine would just get more and more outdated.
 
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News Comments > Morning Metaverse
8. Re: Morning Metaverse Mar 30, 2017, 16:26 Orogogus
 
HorrorScope wrote on Mar 30, 2017, 16:11:
He is sticking with Protectionism though and I can say that isn't a Corporate thing, they are totally Globalism. But yes in general you are correct.

It can be a corporate thing, too, depending where your business is positioned. There are definitely winners and losers in globalism, and it applies to companies, not just social classes.
 
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News Comments > Morning Legal Briefs
20. Re: Morning Legal Briefs Mar 30, 2017, 14:58 Orogogus
 
1badmf wrote on Mar 29, 2017, 17:16:
ledhead1969 wrote on Mar 29, 2017, 16:59:
I don't recall seeing ANY Blue's posts about this ISP selling thing for the 7.5 YEARS OBAMA ALLOWED IT. Hypocrisy FTW.

are you for real dude? that is so misleading you could be sued for defamation.

It's hard to follow. So if Trump bans abortion, or sweeps away gun control legislation at any time after day 1, it's exactly the same as if he was supporting abortion or gun control the whole time? And if its swept away in the next administration, Republicans don't get to say anything because Trump allowed it?

I think this board does lean left and I don't want to jump on people just for having a different view from everyone else, but sometimes it's just, do you have to be completely stupid to be on the right, or at least Team Trump?
 
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News Comments > Out of the Blue
10. Re: Out of the Blue Mar 30, 2017, 14:49 Orogogus
 
jdreyer wrote on Mar 30, 2017, 14:13:
Porn-O-Matic wrote on Mar 30, 2017, 13:23:
Since when would alarmist, humanity-hating hipsters with a clipboard, a lab coat, and an agenda, be expected to follow scientific method?

I have some beachfront property I'll sell you in New Orleans. Cheap!

The post-facts era: it doesn't matter how much or what kind of evidence you bring to support your position. All you need is to beeline to namecalling and scream "us vs them" loud and often enough.

Is there any trend, graph or chart, or a preponderance thereof, that would convince deniers that climate change is real? Nope. Lab coats! Agenda! QED!
 
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News Comments > Videogame Hall of Fame Finalists
30. Re: Videogame Hall of Fame Finalists Mar 30, 2017, 14:17 Orogogus
 
I disagree with the people poo-pooing Windows Solitaire. Windows has had other games, Reversi in the old days and then Minesweeper, but Solitaire is in that sweet spot for casual time-wasting for all comers. Until the match-3 game came along I don't think there was anything else to rival it for killing productivity.

In contrast, the solitaire that comes with Windows 8 & 10 is an abomination. It's buggy, microtransactiony and ad-ridden. I can't believe Microsoft wants people to take them seriously as a games platform at the same time they're screwing up 27 years of a good thing.

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What fighting games came before SF2? I gather there was a SF1, but it looks like those relatively bland karate championship type games. If SF2 was the first one with a character select and different movesets I think that would be a pretty big evolution.
 
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News Comments > Videogame Hall of Fame Finalists
19. Re: Evening Legal Briefs Mar 29, 2017, 16:04 Orogogus
 
Jagacademy wrote on Mar 29, 2017, 15:58:
Orogogus wrote on Mar 29, 2017, 15:54:
I think most of the oldies on this board probably played Dune 2, and I don't know why you think it wasn't a commercial success. It got a lot of glowing reviews, it was huge in my dorm, and it's one of three games that my dad has ever played (the other two being Freecell and Sudoku).

Warcraft was the first and pretty much only game where I ever thought, "Holy shit, you can just copy someone else's game like this without getting sued?" Ever since then I've assumed the answer is yes, you can, and gameplay can't be copyrighted.

Because this list isn't simply a list of "First games in every genre". Final Fantasy...literally the guy who created it said he was heavily influenced by the Ultima games, yet I don't see them on here.

What question are you answering here? I don't think I suggested that the list should be the first genre games. But I think Dune 2 had a huge impact and I think it sold well.

And really? Dune II/Warcraft was the first time you thought that one game copies another? C'mon man, you're really stretching here.

It was the first one I ever played that copied a look and feel so closely. But in general, X-Wing kind of looks and plays like Wing Commander. Final Fantasy is like Ultima. Tons of RPGs have hit points and magic points. But Warcraft had the same map/minimap/unit profile screen layout, the same controls, the same fog of war, the building/harvest/unit gameplay. I knew how to play without opening the manual, which wasn't always a thing back then.

If you had an earlier experience that was that similar, what was it?
 
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News Comments > Videogame Hall of Fame Finalists
16. Re: Evening Legal Briefs Mar 29, 2017, 15:54 Orogogus
 
I think most of the oldies on this board probably played Dune 2, and I don't know why you think it wasn't a commercial success. It got a lot of glowing reviews, it was huge in my dorm, and it's one of three games that my dad has ever played (the other two being Freecell and Sudoku).

Warcraft was the first and pretty much only game where I ever thought, "Holy shit, you can just copy someone else's game like this without getting sued?" Ever since then I've assumed the answer is yes, you can, and gameplay can't be copyrighted.
 
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News Comments > Evening Legal Briefs
13. Re: Evening Legal Briefs Mar 29, 2017, 15:48 Orogogus
 
I don't see much in the United States section of that wiki article, other than some regulations pertaining to federal databases and specific states (esp. California).  
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