You pricks think that you're so well informed. PC-1066 is 3 years old. There has been 1200MHz, 1333MHz and 1600MHz memory chips since then. All with stellar performance.

http://www.anandtech.com/cpuchipsets/showdoc.html?i=1960


I can't wait for a real eugenics movement, i'm bored by short people.

ok would you say Processor system buses of modern Intel Pentium 4 CPUs are capable of pumping up to about 8.40GB data per second?. Quad-channel RDRAM memory can theoretically provide us 9.60GB/s, 10.66GB/s or 12.80GB/s throughput when using 1200MHz, 1333MHz or 1600MHz memory chips.

Obviously, such memory bandwidth is not something desktop Pentium 4 systems really need.

So what's the point?

after the 4th post I just wanted to increase my total number of posts.


This comment was edited on Jan 26, 18:58.

My statement was accurate, arguing semantics now are we?

I’m talking performance, not value.

Who is losing? I am, unlike you I only can speak for myself. I’m losing because RDRAM promised a greater progressive future of performance. But more importantly it gave me a choice and an option. Mcbudget DDR owners could not have a higher performing memory looming out of there petty price range...so it had to go. Why are you so threatened of the idea of them coexisting? Are you denying that if RDRAM technology had been pursued that it would be worse off?


I can't wait for a real eugenics movement, i'm bored by short people.

Fuck the average consumer.

I can't figure out for the life of me why all of these people are so dead set against Rambus. I guess it's like....the majority of the unlearned masses are lemmings who followed the sometimes twisted reviews, and joined in the chorus against Rambus. More expensive...HA! Compare prices on your Corsair stick.
My guess is that all of these little bugs who started this anti-Rambus campaign were working at McDonalds when Rambus first appeared, and the hope of buying such an advanced piece of equipment was beyond their McBudget, and that hate is still alive.
DDR may have won simply from a corporate standpoint and Intel forced to abandon RDRAM, due to the media's manipulation of the unenlightened masses.

The throngs wanted an inferior memory solution because they are worried about dollar differences and they didn't want the inventor of the better solution to make his 10 dollars.

I think that says it.


I can't wait for a real eugenics movement, i'm bored by short people.

Sorry, RIMM 4200 == RDRAM 1066.

RIMM 4200 is 32-bit RDRAM module
The article you linked showed 16-bit RDRAM module hardly 'equal'.

http://www.sis.com/products/chipsets/oa/pentium4/r659.htm
A chipset form early 2003 with RDRAM, how does that compare to DDR chipset of today?

http://www.ocztechnology.com/aboutocz/press/2003/39

If RAMBUS doesn't make a product that we want to buy, how is that our fault?

If one could afford the best why wouldnt, they buy it?

This comment was edited on Jan 26, 15:50.

Now, that said, here's a site that's actually well known for benchmarking, and generally well respected:
http://www.extremetech.com/article2/0,1558,590673,00.asp

That’s a dandy article but this article doesn’t have anything to do with RIMM 4200.
Find one.


RDRAM was and is more suitable for the future from a technological stand point. When RDRAM launched it was faster then existing memory technology and it was in its infancy. The competing RAM was near the end of its cycle with no where to go technologically speaking. Now its over and where do they go now?


I can't wait for a real eugenics movement, i'm bored by short people.

Let's take a trip down memory lane and look at some benchmark from when RDRAM was introduced to see why it tanked: http://www.anandtech.com/showdoc.aspx?i=1245&p=13 .

This is with the Pentium 3; RDRAM was never designed to run with this processor. It was designed to coincide with the new 400MHz front side bus which pc-800 functions excellent with. You and I knew that it was tested with a P3, but i'm willing to bet it when largely unnoticed becasue it is inconsequential.



I can't wait for a real eugenics movement, i'm bored by short people.

I'll admit its fun to trivialize business practices that have little or nix direct contact with us, the end user. But to not recognize that we some of us willing to pay premiums could be running faster machines today if RDRAM had been adopted by the consumer. If I remember correctly the bubble had burst and the tech sector was in recession. Bad timing, nearsighted consumers, and expense.

I can't wait for a real eugenics movement, i'm bored by short people.

Time and time again real world benchmarks showed that you could get the same or better performance using "standard" memory technology. And at a fraction of the price.

RIMM 4200 the last RDRAM to hit the market vs. what was competing with it at the time.
http://www.gamepc.com/labs/view_content.asp?id=ngrdram&page=6

The RIMM 4200 module manages to outperform our DDR-333 setup by roughly 35%, while it pounds the top performing DDR-266 platform by around 60%.

Is that same or better?



I can't wait for a real eugenics movement, i'm bored by short people.

RAMBUS had a patent, and patents are hardly secrets.
The JEDEC and the SDRAM counterparts are over zealous and either chose to ignore these infringements or not investigate into it, I don’t think it’s the latter.

They knew what they were doing. 18 infringements and you think RAMBUS is pulling a fast one? You’re jaded.


I can't wait for a real eugenics movement, i'm bored by short people.

They developed a new technology that put a promising standard in to the PC’s of the consumers that were willing to pay the premium. Sure it cost more up front, but over 2 years later it still was equal or better then anything DDR could throw at it. DDR was good value minded RAM and now it’s the only RAM you can buy. RDRAM was another option, and who doesn’t like to have options?

I can't wait for a real eugenics movement, i'm bored by short people.

The industry and more detremental, the consumers(the majority not knowing) did this. RAMBUS had the supirior technology and as expensive as it was, turned off the consummeres who could buy a gigabyte of DDR for 5 dollars.

I dont know the amount of money RAMBUS spend on R&D for RDRAM but i guareentee it was alot. And no you expect them to eat the expence and give it away to companies that tuned their back on them before?

They got fucked, and we got fucked in the process, becasue majority of PC users are using the cheap technology.


I can't wait for a real eugenics movement, i'm bored by short people.

First off all if a company started using technologies that’s someone patented, that is just plain wrong and illegal. These aren’t ideas; these are United States government patents.


Secondly, RDRAM was the superior memory technology; unfortunately few PC buyers buy the top of the line, and are generally cheap. Adding to this RDRAM launched when the market for PCs was at a low. Instead of buying RDRAM and people bought the cheaper DDR.
I’ve had several systems with RDRAM, I am on one now running RIMM 4200.

Peak Bandwidth
RIMM 4200 4.2 GB/s
PC-3200 (DDR-400) 3.2 GB/s

If the market had embraced RDRAM without a doubt computer performance would be greater today.

It’s funny that the next step in DDR is to infringe on 18 patents of RDRAM, they can essentially be making RDRAM and calling it DDR2. Shysters


I can't wait for a real eugenics movement, i'm bored by short people.

So what now were comparing BF192 to HL2?

Putting aside the fact that Battlefield 1942 is about 3 years old now. Which in the PC game world is quite alot.

CS:Source does one thing really well, in a confined area.

Battlefield 1942 does a number of things well, in a expansive area.

And the things you gripe about, more then likely are going to be resolved in Battlefield 2; the only battlefield game that would make an ounce of sence to compare to CS:source.


I can't wait for a real eugenics movement, i'm bored by short people.

Anyone know the name of that steady hand character? That was hot.

I can't wait for a real eugenics movement, i'm bored by short people.

I've been flight simming down the Appalachains and landed there a couple days ago.

We need a Aviaton MMORPG ASAP.

I can't wait for a real eugenics movement, i'm bored by short people.

Does this man think that steam recently started doing this?

I can't wait for a real eugenics movement, i'm bored by short people.

We FSO's get ten paid holidays a year

New Year's Day, Martin Luther King's Birthday, President's Day, Memorial Day, Independence Day, Labor Day, Columbus Day, Veteran's Day, Thanksgiving Day, Christmas Day.

Plus when I did my stint in Hong Kong after the Holidays Bill in 1998 had been agreed upon in the Legislative Council I had days off twice a month it seemed. I know sounds like fun, but not being with your family on The Buddha's Birthday is heartbreaking.


I can't wait for a real eugenics movement, i'm bored by short people.

Went through the fleshy tissue underneath the jaw.

I can't wait for a real eugenics movement, i'm bored by short people.

leave dan rather out of this

I can't wait for a real eugenics movement, i'm bored by short people.