I'm surprised none of you seem interested. I'm sold; looks awesome. I loved hexen and heretic, though. If the co-op is good I'll be in heaven.

+x for the be safe and take care of yourselves.

We'll all be here when things get back to normal, whatever that might be these days.

Blue - My condolences. Losing a pet is always painful. I'm glad you had so many wonderful years with the Gunnar-man, though. It sounds like he had a good, full life, and was able to go out on his own terms without too much suffering. I bet Hudson the wonder dog is happy to have her buddy back. No need to rush to fill the hole - it'll happen in its own due time.

Whether this is because they learned a lesson or they think they already made most of what they can via micro-transaction, I am glad they are removing it. I'll probably pick it up on a sale sometime after the garbage is fully removed. Still annoyed, but at least they'll get some of my money in the end.

They aren't behind a pay gate. You just click on giant Humble Trove image at the top and then scroll down to where the titles are and click on them and hit download. Seems pretty free to me.

I'm not usually one to nitpick, but whoever wrote this press release is really bad at English.

I have a bad feeling about this.

I was just showing a friend 1313 today and lamenting that we can't get good star wars games anymore. BF2 gets old really fast. Hopefully the single player isn't garbage.

It's 55 vertical which on a 16:9 setup is horizontal 85 fov - so it's not as bad as you're thinking. For whatever reason you can't edit it in game in this beta, but can in the config file. The game runs smooth as butter on ultra settings on my R9 290X. Honestly the game is solid. It's just a bit boring to me and the loot boxes with micro transactions are a massive turn off. I am excited about the single player campaign, though (it's star wars canon, though I'd imagine not heavily impactful to the main story lines). If I can pick this up down the road for a reasonable price I'll do it for that.

VaranDragon wrote on Dec 2, 2016, 03:11:
Holy shit, how the hell did I miss this was in development?!

Dunno. But you can still get in if you want to back it. Game is looking fantastic so far.

The Pyro wrote on Nov 14, 2015, 20:08:

For the record, I'd love a great MW single player and or co-op experience, too, but that's just not what MWO is.

For what it's worth, single player is on the docket for 2016. Some of the groundwork was needed for the tutorial, anyway.

True, but a lot of things have been in the docket that don't get done. hopefully it will though, and be at least decent. The big concern would probably be a huge stream debacle that culls funding for new and improved features.

Sure, but hating a game over a year after release because it's still not a different game is just weird. It's like buying a hot dog and complaining it really should be a hamburger instead because you like those better.

For the record, I'd love a great MW single player and or co-op experience, too, but that's just not what MWO is.

Every time there is a post on blues about MWO the same crap is said.

Yes it has lots of things you can complain about, but at the same time there are lots of us who, complaints aside, play it a lot. It's not for everyone, but for some people it's still a fun ride. I've played thousands of matches and i still enjoy it.

It's not pay to win. Every time someone says that I have to wonder if they understand what the phrase even means. I've spent about 40 dollars on the game, mostly to buy mech bays and one light hero. I currently own 50 mechs. As I noted, only one was bought with real money. I've never once felt someone could pay money to win. It's just not true. Sure you can pay money to get more stuff, but there's a metric crap ton you can get for no money. All that said, if you don't like the game the grind will suck. If you do like it the grind still sucks but at least you enjoy playing so you'll cope. There is a serious economy grind and it should but probably won't get fixed.

Is it ready for steam? Not really, but they seem committed. I don't think it'll hurt anything, but they will lose a lot of new players quickly because of various barriers to getting started. The steam launch could be a lot stronger.

This game gets way more hate than it deserves. Yes it has a checkered past. But in the end, like I said, lots of us still play it more than any other game.

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I tried so hard to get my group to buy this when it was cheap before release. The previews all said it was going to be great, and I still am very interested. None of them bought it, and now some of them are finally interested (why so slow folks?! Argh) so we're all waiting for it to go on sale again. The minute it hits $20 I'll be in, though.

I feel bad saying that as I imagine it's worth the full $30, but this is the reality of today's PC gaming market. It's the same story for me with Fallout 4. I want to play it, but I have so many games in my queue I'll be waiting for it to go on sale (and get patched a bunch of times, I imagine) before I will pick it up.

NewMaxx wrote on Jul 7, 2015, 15:28:
It's good to hear opinions from both sides, I don't want to be too unfair in my statements. It was just my impression from my vast experience in the F2P arena that MWO caters to whales to a large extent, and this is coming from a guy who dropped hundreds on Star Trek Online (major whale game these days) and Planetside 2 (not so much). All of which is ironic as I know how much the MWO fanbase complain about the developers. Still, catering to whales is not the same as pay to win.

In any case, yes I had fun with the game, but I stick to my assertion that I wasn't able to play the way I wanted to with how the metagame works. To be fair this also became the case for me in World of Tanks in the higher tiers (I am/was a scout-centric player), but I still honestly believe Piranha Games made a genuine effort to have the game feel close to its origins and I think they backed themselves into a position where they became reliant on monetizing around the metagame. It's all metagame and the metagame is money since that's the corner they painted themselves into when they didn't make the right decisions early on in development.

You're definitely right that it caters to whales. They are the only reason the game exists. But I think the implementation works pretty well. The whales get to try out all the new stuff and then it gets fixed just about the time it's available to all players. I never really mind, even though I'm pretty excited to try out some of the mechs when they finally hit cbills. With such a big library of mechs at this point, though, it's rare that the new ones are better than something else out there.

As to monetization, I agree. I think their current model of monetization is terrible, but they seem rather committed to it. I imagine their aversion to any change there comes down to the fear that if they change they may be out of business the following month. They are pretty tiny, and I honestly don't know how they stay in business.

The metagame is always a problem, but it's always evolving. Thankfully. It does get frustrating from time to time, but I'm just glad it doesn't stagnate. At this point, balancing MWO is probably never going to happen so flavor of the month is likely to stay.

Have you played since they added quirks to mechs? The opinions on that are varied, as you might imagine, but it's revitalized lots of mechs that were long considered useless.

RaZ0r! wrote on Jul 7, 2015, 15:24:
Personally the addition of the 3rd person view put me over the edge.

http://www.gamefront.com/mechwarrior-online-forum-ragesplosion/1/

I asked for a refund. They said no.

This was one of the things that blew the lid off. So much bad blood over something that amounted to nothing in the end. Bad PR move for PGI/IGP (IGP is gone now, btw, for anyhone who doesn't know. This has VASTLY improved the development and community relations)

Anyhow, the really sad part of the 3pv thing is that more or less nobody uses it; it ended up being a moot point. PGI's implementation actually worked pretty well at making sure it wasn't easily abused. At this point they should just remove it from game and leave it as something you can use in the training ground to get a clear understanding of how piloting works. Honestly...I can't remember the last time I saw a decent player use it. It's just not that useful.

Come on it's not that P2W. You only need to own an Atlas and a Timber Wolf and then you can win every game.

You're example is unfair. A good pilot with a well thought out mech can beat multiple enemies. It didn't take a tbr or atlas. And it's a known that a few players on voice chat will wreck a pug group (btw, there is in game voice chat now). Teamwork actually works.

Clan lrms are different, not necessarily better. Assuming that something just released which hasn't been fully balanced is better and p2w is silly. I never bought any clan mechs and I've kept my w/l and k/d ratings just as high (they are actually going up over time) since clan mechs came out.

Name a game where new things don't often needed rebalancing. A silly reason to quit.

But more importantly, there's the fact that you can get both of those mechs for cbills (in game currency) which completely invalidates your assertion of p2w.

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Wow. So much false information in this thread. You guys made me find my password to bluesnews and type this on my phone just to refute it. Those of you claiming it's pay to win are really bent on pushing an agenda. You can get every mech in the game with in game currency (you get this for playing matches) after a few month exclusive period. If you think it's pay to win you either a) angry with PGI and have an agenda or b) unclear of what pay to win means and therefore unwilling to understand that you can pretty easily grind out the cbills to buy that "pay to win" mech.

Some reality.

I've played around 4000 matches so I know a little bit about the game. To date I've spent about 40 dollars in game and I own around 60 mechs. Most of the money I spent on mech bays, which is basically a slot you need to hold additional mechs if you want more than the 4 free bays. These days there are ways to earn more free bays, but when I started the only option was to buy them. They are about $1.50 a piece. If you like the game you'll want some because a large part of the fun is playing with all the different mechs. The game is fun, and at times insanely so, but it can also be frustrating and it's grindy like all "free to play" games. I haven't played wot, but the general consensus is that it's significantly less grindy. Personally I think mwo mashed bad decisions about the grind and economy, but that's neither here nor there. It's very progressable, especially if you take advantage of the weekly events and or are willing to pay a little for "premium" time. (I never have, but on occasion you get a few days for free as rewards from events)

Some more reality in short form:

Is there a grind? Yes. I hate the grind. But you will progress.

Is it pay to win? No. Not even close. Anyone saying it is is being disingenuous.

Is it fun? Very much so if it's your style. The mechanics are not bad, and if you have some friend to play with it can be really intense. It's far from perfect, and yet I've spent hundreds of hours playing. However, it's not everyone's cup of tea. And for the record, I'm not historically a Mechwarrior out battle tech fan. I do like stompy robots though.

Is it getting better? Yes. The team is small and they change priorities, forget to finish things they were working on, make bad design decisions, etc. But in the end, the game continues to improve. Are there things that were better in beta? Yes, depending on who you talk to, but at the end of the day it's still fun, and for the most part the updates eventually improve things.

Is there an inordinate amount of hate spewn about the game? Yes, but I get both sides. Mwo is one of my most played games the last five years, but I also want to scream at the devs sometimes as they make some really boneheaded decisions from time to time. It's history is laden with mistakes and because of this there is a lot of bad blood and hurt feelings, but again, at the end of the day it's a fun game and there isn't really anything else that is all that like it.

Could it be so much better? Ugh. Don't get me started. Yes yes yes. But it's still fun.

Should you try it? Do you like giant robots? Do you like team deathmatch? Do you like your fps to be a little less insta gib than most current offerings? Then yes, you probably should. Try to find someone to teach you the ropes. There's a metric ton to learn, and the new player experience is atrocious. The tutorials are abysmal and mostly non existent. This is a development point they "plan" to fix. Until that day there remain tons of undocumented features and little things that skilled players will know and you won't until you delve deeply into the game. On the flip side, the game rewards players who learn the deeper mechanics.

Feel free to friend me in game. My pilot name is Monk. I'm not playing a lot right now though because of the Witcher 3. But I'm sure I'll be back soon.

edit: Tried to make my post less angsty. Sorry, I hate people unfairly bashing on MWO. It's got it's own valid reasons to be bashed, so let's try not to add to them with falsities. =)

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Had Max Payne 3 for over a year. Still can't get it to launch past initializing at the start. I've spent HOURS trying all the "fixes" people have posted. I can't tell you how tempted I am to just get the pirate "fix". If only the game was supposed to be any good I'd probably care that little bit more than I do and try the final solution. Bottom line? **** DRM.

The new sports layout is horrid beyond belief. I use two things from Yahoo (used). The mail (had an account there since email started more or less...haha) and the sports page. They have decent writers, and frankly I liked how everything was offered there. The new layout on the sports page is an atrocity that burns holes in my eyes (seriously, it gives me a headache to look at it now) and I can't distinguish one item from the next. It's a mess! The mobile mail update is also a turd. Why ruin what worked great. Less ease of use, more strange icons that don't translate to standard email needs. Ugh. It's like Mayer is trying to drive people away. One step forward two steps back.

Cutter wrote on Jun 20, 2013, 00:41:
Why would you choose a 360 over a PS4? That's insane.

Oops, meant to type Xbox One, not a 360. Why I would get a Xbox One instead of a PS4? Mostly because the majority of my friends preferred gaming on their 360s. I own a 360, PS3, and a Wii, but the 360 has received the lions share of use. My Wii has less than 10 hours logged on it. In the end, though, I'd much rather just use my PC. If every game I wanted to play came out on PC I don't know why I'd ever buy a console.