I think Trump is right. I'm sorry, but Libskind's design is horribly confusing, horribly self-indulgent, horribly overstated and horribly ugly. And, I dare say, it winds up being a cowering monument to terrorism in the final analysis.

In fact, nearly every design made public by any designer has suffered from one or more of the same defects. The most common problem for all proposals has been self-importance, but another problem is listening to the public who wants large parts of the big fat holes in the ground left exposed or somehow made into monuments. WTF? Made a couple of building foundations into monuments?

Here is Trump, of all people, proposing a relatively modest idea which at least has the merit of making practial sense. I don't think its his ego. New York is Trump's home city, and I for one hope he kicks Libskind out.

Tracer,

Thanks for the info. I guess its been the same game all this time, then.

All,

And I agree with the poster who is skeptical of any game in development that long. I don't know. Artists of all types have to endure the pressure of deadlines and restrictions, from painters to filmmakers to musicians. And this is how it should be, in a sense. Artists will always need to work in the real world, so sometimes you have to get real, put a fork in it, and serve what you have. Or at least, you need work habits that assume as much.

Maybe its just growing pains for the industry. After this generation of games, there can't be a development house in existence that will be able to afford massive throwaways. Targeting a development time frame and working out design issues before comitting to so much work will be necessary for survival.

This comment was edited on May 13, 15:58.

Intellectual properties with the word "Cthulhu" in the title have been coming out ever since I can remember. I've never been interested in a single one of them, but nary a month in gaming news goes by without me seeing one or more references to it.

I don't know what all the fuss is about, but it must have one hell of a fan base if they can justify such a never ending stream of titles.

Or has it just been the same title(s) under development all this time?

This comment was edited on May 13, 11:55.

space captain said: " look at all the bad ass fanboys... man they are cool"

And so your sarcasm means that only critics of DOOM 3 can be cool and you are uncool of you happen to like the game?

Again, more black/white fundamentalism. I really don't know where this comes from or why anyone would want to be part of the "cool" group if this is the type of "fun" they offer.

This is what I mean:

z0dd said: "Doom3 sucked! It gets my vote for: Worst GAME of the year."

Silly. Just silly.

Its funny all these long essays on how disappointing DOOM 3 is supposed to be. Its like religious fundamentalists. Not many of them, but boy do they make a lot of noise.

I am confident the silent majority found DOOM 3 to be quite entertaining.

You seriously paid for a HL2 tatoo on your arm but only bought the "Bronze" HL2 package?

It boggles the mind.

"She [Cafeteria Manager Lynne Bryant] said in retrospect the humming sounded exactly like a vibrator - but it was better to be safe then sorry."

Hmmmm... How does Lynne know "exactly" what a vibrator sounds like? Does she have a little "pick me up" device of her own?

The person whose vibrator it was is not identified, but now we all know what Lynne has at home.

space captain said:

"if STALKER delivers, it will probably revolutionize FPS games... dunno bout the world"

I LOVE IT!

People move from one game to the next to put their "faith" in when each one turns out to be..GASP...only a game.

Trust me, STALKER will not "revolutionize" the genre any more than HL2 will. There is no evidence that this will be so. The genre was only "revolutionary" when it was basically first invented and then after the first few major leaps. It will now not be revolutionized for a long, long, time, if ever.

We CAN expect some really well made and graphically amazing shooters in the future, but I really think this expectation that each game is going to be the Holy Grail is vague, wishful thinking by people who put too much energy and focus on games and what they're supposed to mean.

I put it all to the Max Payne 2 test. Max Payne 2 was really fun, had a good story and interesting maps and situations. I had a really memorable time, almost as much as any other game before or since. But for the life of me I can't tell you what was so "revolutionary" about it. Nothing, really. It was just a well-done particular game.

Its like a well-done action movie. I mean, come on, action movies don't massively change. They are linear stories with tension and violence, etc. But there is all the difference between a well-made movie and a poor one. People can seem to understand this about movies, but I think they are spoiled by the "newness" of FPS games and expect to be as surprised as they were by the first time they played DOOM every time.


Remember, no game is a time machine that will take you back to when you were ten years old.


This comment was edited on Oct 4, 10:15.

Amazing the attitudes here after the screenshots. No more talk about how Source kicks the shit out of DOOM 3, etc., etc. Why, its almost like John Kerry smacking the shit out of George Bush during the debates...

Anyway, I have high hopes for HL2 as a game. Should be great.

But here's my prediction: All the people imagining that HL2 will be anything but another FPS...anyone dumping on all these other games because THEY KNOW HL2 will redefine the genre and no one else will...These people will be really let down.

Its run...shoot...kill...open stuff...move stuff...jump...crouch...etc.

Its a shooter! If you like traveling through well-made shooters, this will be a treat. If you don't like it, time to stop playing FPS games and move on with your life, because this is the genre, folks.


P.S.: And now why do graphics matter in FPS games? Because its one the important ways to keep them fresh. New kinds of places to do your worst are needed. I think graphics help artists make new and exciting places to play in. The more power, the better the variety. Its not everything, but its an important thing.
This comment was edited on Oct 3, 17:37.

Hey, this game has vehicles!

Why aren't there 500 posts praising its incredible foresight and craftsmanship because you get to drive stuff? Isn't this the most original game ever?!

It's 1000 times better than DOOM 3 already!

/sarcasm

Rock climber,

"DOOM3 is collecting dust at my house as I quickly got over the graphics and found the gameplay to be less than inspiring."

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Too bad. For me, its not so much about the graphics as it is about what the graphics makes possible. And in that sense, I enjoy the way DOOM 3 looks just like I enjoy the way Aliens, Star Wars or The Matrix looks. Many people remain fans of the visual design of movies for years and years after they've been released. The same thing goes for DOOM 3. I think much of the look and feel of DOOM 3 will be remembered fondly for a long time.

I know that women in my life have been at least curious about most of the games I play, even Quake and DOOM. I think if you just do an artful game, like DOOM 3, and cut out the triple-D cup breasts, you're fine. I mean, women have no problem with having sexy characters on screen, they just don't want them to be ridiculous teenage boy fantasies.

If your sexy female character is wearing an outfit that at least seems plausible to the action -- rather than trying to face combat in stiletto heels and a bikini, which I find very stupid -- I think you will have gone a long way in getting their attention. They just hate the characters having to wear stupid outfits, really.

My wife really got into the Mona Sax character in Max Payne 2. Again, she was sexy, but at least closer to being realistic.

Hey, that PC Gamer cover looks pretty awesome. And ten pages!

I'm excited to finally see some of what's cooking at Raven.

Oh, and it looks like brown is back, if the cover is any indication, but we'll see.

Why is it so big? Arent' games just getting a lot bigger in general? It may have some movies in it too, though.

Creston,

Well, if everyone did what Steam does, yeah, I guess you'd have problems with storage space, but really, you'd only have Steam running if you cared about Valve's games. And if you like Valve's games, it seems silly to think you're not interested in Half-Life 2.

Otherwise, just cancel the download and/or delete the files. Or, just turn off Steam and download your stuff the old-fashioned way or something.

I don't see why you need to get so worked up. Why complain about the basic function of a service you are obviously willfully choosing to run? As long as it all works when it comes time to turn on the game, I don't see a problem.
This comment was edited on Sep 3, 00:41.

No.

I don't care if its free. I'm not grading on a curve just because of that. The nostalgia factor is not enough. Again, I already have DOOM.

And I'm not going to pretend that I like the maps so far just to please people. I think they are straight forward copies of the old ones. They should at least re-interpret them so that its not just low-poly angular rooms like the "build" engine had. If they re-architechted them, then at least I'd have a little more respect for what they are doing.

Finally, I've already seen maps made for "free" which are genuine attempts to extend the game. For instance
Trite Breeding Facility" by Kiltron. It has its flaws (again, I don't grade on a curve), but it is a real college try. I respect that.

Look here: http://www.forumplanet.com/planetdoom/topic.asp?fid=4952&tid=1465455


Call me a moron, or any name you like, if that pleases you all. But that doesn't constitute a refutation.
This comment was edited on Aug 29, 14:03.

I'm not impressed. I look at this and I see a ham-fisted attempt to basically copy the original DOOM.

Big deal. So what if someone can copy other people's maps?

We already have DOOM. Why on earth do we need an exact copy of everything clumsily translated into "updated" graphics? Why do I need a new PC just to play the same old game from the 1990's that is no doubt still going to play better? The gameplay of the old DOOM fit the style of the old DOOM technology. WTF do we need the new tech for if we want it all to be the same?

Boring, boring, boring.

Dagok, #66:

That image comparison is totally unfair and misleading, and I'm betting you know that. What I don't know is why you dedicate your time to maligning DOOM 3. What, are you getting paid by someone to do this?

Anyway, you did NOT show the "lowest" settings for DOOM 3, but TURNED OFF several key features altogether. If you had the slightest understanding at all about computer graphics, you'd know that the detail that was previously painted into ONE TEXTURE is now present in local color, bump, normal map and specular map textures. You cannot turn these off and expect what's left to look any good, and it certainly isn't representative of the game's graphics!

All you left was the local color map. OF COURSE it looks bad. There is no detail or shadowing in that layer, only base color! Take all the detail and painted-on shadows out of ANY game -- including your beloved Half-Life 2 -- and it'll look like total crap. If you dumbed down HL2 that way, it would be a bunch of colored blocks.

Hey, let's turn off all the shadows, too, and complain about how unrealistic the game looks without them.

For crying out loud...

By the way, HL2 will be awesome, I'm sure. I don't have to hate it to like DOOM 3.


This comment was edited on Aug 17, 00:58.

All I know is that the demo for this crashed on my system with a GPF before I could do anything. Intel 2.8Ghz, 1G Corsair RAM, Win XP, ATI 9800 Pro, SB Audigy. Top or near top of the line stuff all around.

Blech. Uninstall immediately.