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News Comments > Jess Cliffe Arrest Details
43. Re: Jess Cliffe Arrest Details Feb 4, 2018, 10:44 Beamer
 
theyarecomingforyou wrote on Feb 4, 2018, 06:15:
panbient wrote on Feb 4, 2018, 05:51:
Holy crap the victim blaming...


There's a pretty simple way to avoid these kind of situations. If you think you need to ask a young woman her age (or proof thereof) then SHE'S TOO YOUNG. Even if she turns out to be "legal".

But when you're looking to pay through a Sugar Daddy / Sugar Baby website for a hookup there are probably other issues going on (with the john). Rather than looking into her background (wtf? blame the victim more). Look into the fact that he was a middle aged man looking to push the edge of the envelope and obviously didn't care about her real age so long as she told him it was ok.

It might not be clinical pedophilia but it was certainly some form of exploitation.

If anything this is another example of why prostitution should be legalized and controlled - for the health and benefit of both parties.
The matter is rather simple for me: both parties consented to sex, therefore there shouldn't be an issue. She lied about her age but clearly knew what she was doing. The only real fault I see is that he filmed the sex against her consent but it really depends on the context (what pressure was applied, etc) - it's also her word against his. I'm not really in a position to judge either of them without knowing a lot more details.

I see capitalism as the greater issue, with people pressured into activities and behaviours they would otherwise reject in order to meet essential needs. Without capitalism prostitution would just be consensual sex. Should we really be proud of a society that compels so many young people to have sex with older, wealthy individuals for money? If you browse any online dating websites they're filled with people offering sex for money or clothes. If society provided one's basic needs (accommodation, energy, healthcare, clothes, food, etc) it would largely eliminate the demand for sugar daddy relationships.

For now the simplest option is to legalise and regulate prostitution. Take it out of the shadows and accept it for what it is. It's not going to go away.

She was 15. She did not consent because she was too young. If you disagree, where do you personally draw the line?

Can a 10 year old consent to sex with a 38 year old?
 
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News Comments > Jess Cliffe Arrest Details
25. Re: Jess Cliffe Arrest Details Feb 3, 2018, 19:27 Beamer
 
jdreyer wrote on Feb 3, 2018, 19:17:
Beamer wrote on Feb 3, 2018, 18:42:
Chromius wrote on Feb 3, 2018, 18:23:
These laws are pretty one sided for modern times.

Girls, get to go out and knowingly have sex any time, anywhere with any one regardless of age. Never get in trouble.

Guy messes up one time and assumes 18 and its life over.

Three times. Three.

And if you're picking someone up near the home they live in with their parents, you should know something is up.

Not true at all. 32% of 18 to 34 year olds live with their parents. That's so many people that there's a much greater chance of them being 18 than a high school student.

But they'd have transportation, and not have to lie about someone picking them up.
 
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News Comments > Jess Cliffe Arrest Details
24. Re: Jess Cliffe Arrest Details Feb 3, 2018, 19:26 Beamer
 
Asmodai wrote on Feb 3, 2018, 19:06:
Beamer wrote on Feb 3, 2018, 18:41:
Like I keep telling you guys, his knowledge of her age does not matter, only her age does. Unless this is Alaska.

It's one of the things men struggle with most in their 1L crimlaw class, but it starts making sense when you think about it. She's a child, he's a late 30s adult. He's more responsible for his actions. He can't use "I thought she was 18" as an easy, obvious excuse. And she was almost definitely 15, which is pretty damn far from 18. Freshman or sophomore in HS...

So what? Working door on clubs, I've stopped 12 year olds that looked over 18. People need to take responsibility for their actions, so in the current scenario... The girl is a victim and doesn't need to take any responsibility for being a prostitute on a site that she certainly lied on the waiver to use. She also doesn't need to take responsibility for deception of her client.

Cliff, on the other hand, has to take responsibility for fucking her, paying for sex, being a pedo, creating child exploitation material et al. Because he accepted that she was the age she claimed. What a fucking monster... /eyeroll

Oh yeah, filming without her consent is actually the one time where he actually took away her right to consent (assuming she's telling the truth).

It's good to see, however, that Blues attendees are somewhat red pilled and recognise just how bass ackwards this situation is. The girl set out to purposefully deceive for the purposes of making money via prostitution, but she get's a free pass cos.. vagina? /gg


Red pill?

Jesus, you're a brainwashed creep.
 
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News Comments > Jess Cliffe Arrest Details
19. Re: Jess Cliffe Arrest Details Feb 3, 2018, 18:42 Beamer
 
Chromius wrote on Feb 3, 2018, 18:23:
These laws are pretty one sided for modern times.

Girls, get to go out and knowingly have sex any time, anywhere with any one regardless of age. Never get in trouble.

Guy messes up one time and assumes 18 and its life over.

Three times. Three.

And if you're picking someone up near the home they live in with their parents, you should know something is up.
 
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News Comments > Jess Cliffe Arrest Details
18. Re: Jess Cliffe Arrest Details Feb 3, 2018, 18:41 Beamer
 
Like I keep telling you guys, his knowledge of her age does not matter, only her age does. Unless this is Alaska.

It's one of the things men struggle with most in their 1L crimlaw class, but it starts making sense when you think about it. She's a child, he's a late 30s adult. He's more responsible for his actions. He can't use "I thought she was 18" as an easy, obvious excuse. And she was almost definitely 15, which is pretty damn far from 18. Freshman or sophomore in HS...
 
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News Comments > Far Cry Season Pass Details
6. Re: Far Cry Season Pass Details Feb 3, 2018, 09:41 Beamer
 
StingingVelvet wrote on Feb 2, 2018, 21:34:
I loved that crazy Blood Dragon DLC that Far Cry 3 got, so this sounds exciting. I skipped FC4 and Primal so the main game will be less repetitive for me as well.

That wasn't DLC. It was a separate game. Same engine, many same assets, incredibly stripped down version of same game play, eye searing pallette. Man, I hated it. Maybe had I not finished FC3, but it was so repetitive afterwards.
 
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News Comments > Valve's Cliffe Arrested; Suspended
48. Re: Valve's Cliffe Arrested; Suspended Feb 3, 2018, 09:38 Beamer
 
jdreyer wrote on Feb 3, 2018, 04:54:
There's so much to unpack here. Shit.

First it's super shitty of him to record her without her consent. This goes regardless of her age. Looks like Oregon is a single party recording consent state, so it seems like he didn't need her consent legally, but it's still super shitty. What a dick move.

It's really shitty that this girl was on SeekingArrangement basically representing herself as an adult. This guy probably had no idea she was underage. He admitted he'd picked her up and banged her, if you were intentionally banging an underage girl, why would you admit that when the police came asking? I wonder if mens rea can apply here: can you prove statutory rape and child pr0n production if the intention was to perform those acts with an adult? We're in such a moment right now with Weinstein, Nasser, etc. that this question will probably be ignored.

It can be really hard to tell just by looking how old someone is. When my daughter was 13 getting ready for her freshman year, she'd go shopping and talk with the sales people: "I need X, I'm going to be a freshman." Invariably they'd ask her which college she was going to. She's 5'7" and 130 pounds of solid muscle with a 99% ACT score, so she easily looks and speaks like an adult.

The one thing this guy says that doesn't pass the smell test is that he thinks as long as he pays the woman for her time, prostitution is legal. It's illegal in Washington, with both prostitution and solicitation being misdemeanors, not felonies. Violations look typical: up to $1K in fines and 90 days in jail.

I get that we don't want to just let pedos off the hook by giving them some out like "I didn't know she was underage!!1" But sometimes it's true. However, I don't see a lot of daylight for this guy, as statutory rape is often strict liability (doesn't matter the reason). Sadly, his punishment is going to far exceed the crime he thought he was getting away with.

Only in Alaska does what he thought matter. Partly because you can expect adults to act responsibly, not kids, and partly because every pedophile ever would claim they thought she was 18.

They rarely bother with people going after girls over 14,though. And really basically never 16, which as I said, is age of consent out there (even in states with higher, no one wants to prosecute on ages above without some other reason.) So she either was 15, which is close enough to 14, or the video makes all the difference.
 
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News Comments > Valve's Cliffe Arrested; Suspended
39. Re: Valve's Cliffe Arrested; Suspended Feb 2, 2018, 23:47 Beamer
 
PacoTaco wrote on Feb 2, 2018, 23:38:
Nucas wrote on Feb 2, 2018, 21:38:
PacoTaco wrote on Feb 2, 2018, 18:46:
Let's hope this is some sort of mistake and this game developer is found innocent of these charges. If it is true he should be killed like all pedophiles should be.

apparently he was hooking up with and recording some 16 year old girl he met on seeking arrangement, that creepy gussied up escourt service.

where does this fall on your morality scale, judge dredd

I watched the news video, he was using an "escort" website and happened to get unlucky with the girl lying about her age, if she had multiple clients and was acting as an adult in these matters I would drop all charges related to child molestation and charge him with soliciting prostitution. First offense time served and minimum fine.

Now the big question remaining is the forced recording of the girl, what was actually recorded, abuse, consent, etc. If the act was forced proven by the video evidence then I would add those charges to the list and proceed to prosecute him on those matters.

This is a girl acting as an adult using a sex website to get hired to be paid for sex, an act of fully grown women. She needs to take responsibility in this matter, be charged with prostitution and the website needs to be closed.

This is not a child molestation or underage minor sex case in my opinion from the data on the news site. She was acting as an adult.

Judge PacoTaco has spoken.

Judge PactoTaco isn't applying the law, though. Only in Alaska does anything more than her age count. And, since the age of consent in WA is 16, and she's "now" 16, she was 15 at the time.
 
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News Comments > GDC Pulls Bushnell's Pioneer Award
23. Re: GDC Pulls Bushnell's Pioneer Award Feb 2, 2018, 13:51 Beamer
 
Timmeh wrote on Feb 2, 2018, 11:25:
Every single one of you brain dead leftist sjw retro warriors and revisionists can GO @#$% OFF.

News flash... Women could not even vote in the USA or most countries in the entire world until recently. They STILL cant even drive a car in most Islamic countries you love so much. Its only a recent thing that the world started thinking differently.

You don't hold history to modern standards you @#$%ing RETARDS.

god the left is worse than the religious right ever dreamed of.


If your sister is ever angry that her husband beats her, do you tell her she's a stupid SJW because women are beheaded in the Middle East?
 
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News Comments > Out of the Blue
11. Re: Out of the Blue Feb 2, 2018, 13:50 Beamer
 
Mr. Tact wrote on Feb 2, 2018, 12:43:
jdreyer wrote on Feb 2, 2018, 12:17:
That's amazing. Why isn't that the top headline around the world instead of the latest Trump lunacy?
If they get to human trials and the results are positive, it will.

Yeah. I saw the headlines yesterday, but great stuff happens in mice all the time. Reproducing the results less so, and then making it to humans less so, and it's often decades. While it's a great sign, it's also kind of false hope for many.
 
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News Comments > Freeman: Guerrilla Warfare Early Access
2. Re: Freeman: Guerrilla Warfare Early Access Feb 2, 2018, 09:18 Beamer
 
I thought HL2 was Freeman's Guerrilla Warfare...  
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News Comments > Your Royal Gayness Comes Out
25. Re: Your Royal Gayness Comes Out Feb 1, 2018, 17:56 Beamer
 
Razumen wrote on Jan 31, 2018, 23:20:

There's nothing wrong with people ASKING nicely for changes like this, and there's nothing wrong with developers choosing not to. However, such a civil outcome is not usually the case. What usually happens is that the requester blows up in indignation that they're not being catered to and then begin a campaign to try to force the addition through shaming and other methods.

And that's how it starts, with people nicely asking for changes. 100 people request it, 99 nicely, but somehow Brianna Wu gets involved. Nearly everyone ignores the requests, except for the dev saying "hmm, I never thought about that, it's good to know people want this." Everyone seems ok, except for 500 people, who send tweets to all the people requesting it telling them they're stupid. 1000 people see those tweets and respond. Someone sees a response and posts it on KotakuInAction. 50,000 people post in the thread making racist jokes and calling those people snowflakes and saying race doesn't matter and there's too much diversity being shoved down throats and it's ok if every single video game is a white guy because white people are awesome. 20,000 other people call those people racist.

You come in at that last point and ignore all the good discussion and focus on the escalation and say that devs ignore the good and focus on the bad and blah blah blah.
 
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News Comments > Out of the Blue
2. Re: Out of the Blue Feb 1, 2018, 10:46 Beamer
 
Peter M. Smith wrote on Feb 1, 2018, 10:36:
After having eaten there a few times, I put Smash Burger in the category of "Trying too hard." They just couldn't figure out how to get "it", like Five Guys did.

Five Guys is all about the toppings. The beef itself is usually bland, overcooked, and dry.

In fairness, fast food burgers kind of need to be overcooked and dry, which is why the squashed types have begun to run wild. I'll take Shake Shack (in Manhattan, ones I've been to elsewhere seemed a bit less ridiculously good) and In-n-Out over Five Guys every single day of the week. There's no comparison as far as taste goes. Of course, no comparison as far as distribution goes, too.

Moving back to NYC was the best burger decision I've ever made. I'd thought I'd had good burgers elsewhere, but man, the quality of the beef here is so far above the other places I've lived. The best place closed, but there's still Minetta Tavern, JG Melon (a bit overrated), Corner Bistro, Gramercy Tavern, etc.
 
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News Comments > etc., etc.
2. Re: etc., etc. Feb 1, 2018, 09:09 Beamer
 
Pigeon wrote on Feb 1, 2018, 08:48:
It is kind of a cool looking skin, though I don't think I'd buy it even if you removed all the zeros from the price. I also feel I have to say, if you or other players spending enough time to notice all the details on that skin, you're not playing the game right.

Remember, CS is rounds. When someone dies, they have to spectate. In Competitive or whatever, you can only spectate in first person, and in regular or whatever people still often spend time in first person. So spectators see the weapons. I've seen people comment on them fairly often.

Of course, that's no reason to spend $60,000, and a cool weapon is a lot less cool if you pay for it instead of earn it ("earn,") but people definitely see them. I just don't fully know why they care.
 
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News Comments > Morning Legal Briefs
12. Re: Morning Legal Briefs Jan 31, 2018, 19:58 Beamer
 
This is also my favorite conversation here, ever. It's more of Cutter being "if it's positive for me it's super fair, but if it's negative for me it's discrimination!"  
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News Comments > Morning Legal Briefs
11. Re: Morning Legal Briefs Jan 31, 2018, 19:58 Beamer
 
Cutter wrote on Jan 31, 2018, 18:51:
Beamer wrote on Jan 31, 2018, 15:38:
Cutter wrote on Jan 31, 2018, 14:51:
jdreyer wrote on Jan 31, 2018, 13:08:
US appeals court says Tinder Plus pricing is discriminatory.

If age-based pricing is determined to be discriminatory, how will that affect things like healthcare insurance and car insurance?

There should be no discrimination in this regard. In Norway for example if you get a speeding ticket its based on net worth. Obviously some rich guy getting a $300 fine is peanuts and doesn't serve as a deterrent where it's a real burden to someone one the low end of the scale. So this way Joe Millionaire gets a $30,000 fine and Joe Sixpack gets a $30 fine. Super fair and great system. If you set some arbitrary number as the basis to charge someone more or less it's discrimination plain and simple.


I will remember this next time you call regional pricing unethical and evil.

How fucking dumb are you? It's just another form of discrimination. They're charging us more for the exact same product. That's the definition of discrimination. Try charging someone more because they're a minority and see where that gets you.

There should be no discrimination in this regard. With video games for example if you get a speeding ticket its based your country's average income. Obviously some guy in a rich country getting a $60 game is peanuts and he can easily afford it where it's a real burden to someone living in a country on the low end of the income scale. So this way Joe America gets a $60 game and Joe Kazakhstan gets a $5 game. Super fair and great system. If you set some arbitrary number as the basis to charge someone more or less it's discrimination plain and simple.
 
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News Comments > GDC Reconsidering Bushnell Award After Backlash
19. Re: GDC Reconsidering Bushnell Award After Backlash Jan 31, 2018, 18:06 Beamer
 
And his statement, which puts the industry first and him second, is why he was a leader and a pioneer in the first place.  
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News Comments > GDC Reconsidering Bushnell Award After Backlash
16. Re: GDC Reconsidering Bushnell Award After Backlash Jan 31, 2018, 18:04 Beamer
 
So the behavior is inappropriate by today's light yet very 70s.

Has anyone come out and said they felt hurt or victimized by it? Doesn't seem that way. Given that this was somewhat the norm back then, it's certainly not unreasonable to think it may have also been victim-free and considered fun for all involved.
 
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News Comments > Respawn's Star Wars Expected in FY2020
9. Re: Respawn's Star Wars Expected in FY2020 Jan 31, 2018, 17:41 Beamer
 
DangerDog wrote on Jan 31, 2018, 16:19:
I swear I need a filter on all the "Last Jedi Sucked" youtube videos people made, the first thousand or so were pretty funny though.

Or salty.
 
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News Comments > Morning Mobilization
7. Re: Morning Mobilization Jan 31, 2018, 17:41 Beamer
 
Evil Timmy wrote on Jan 31, 2018, 17:14:
So bad they had to release an update to disable the Bixby button, because it existed solely to be pressed by accident.

But you need to enable Bixby to disable the button.
Sorry, Samsung, not happening.
 
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