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News Comments > IGN Pulls Review Amid Plagiarism Accusations
1. Re: IGN Pulls Review Amid Plagiarism Accusations Aug 7, 2018, 10:59 Beamer
 
It starts off "c'mon, that's generically describing the game" but quickly becomes 'whoa. Really?"

I don't fault IGN for not catching this, and they're handling it right. We'll see where it goes.
 
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News Comments > Dead Cells Exfoliated
8. Re: Dead Cells Exfoliated Aug 7, 2018, 09:42 Beamer
 
I'm enjoying Hollow Knight at the moment.

I think I'll probably try to get to this after that, with a gap of a few months in between (can you really go Metroidvania to Metroidvania without burning out?)
 
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News Comments > Morning Metaverse
36. Re: Morning Metaverse Aug 7, 2018, 09:31 Beamer
 
Blue "censors" people here all the time. He doesn't restrict our freedom of speech. He sadly has to police us, and makes this place better for it. That he has to is on us.  
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News Comments > BioWare's Dragon Age and Mass Effect Plans
115. Re: BioWare's Dragon Age and Mass Effect Plans Aug 7, 2018, 09:12 Beamer
 
Lastly, I'll give the story of how and when I realized the size of the problem.

As I mentioned below, I did criminal legal work in a very, very impoverished, urban county. We saw a lot of awful crime. The county was 65% white, but the defendants were maybe 10% white, at most. Likely less. Most of what we saw, as well, was drug crime. I made a comment about how I hoped the smart kids worked hard to get out of there. My judge just glared at me.

"These are the smart ones," the judge said. "Look around you. Look how they grow up. Single parents, in housing projects. The places are falling apart, there are bullet holes in the walls, used needles in the hallways, condoms in the stairwells. They don't see successful people. They don't think that success is for them. They go to schools where many of the teachers have given up, where few people they know graduated from. By the time they realize they may have options, and internalize that, they're in their early teens, and it's too late to truly change. Even when some do, they rarely last long in college, because it's such a cultural shift and they get lost not feeling like they belong in a world so different from what they know. So the smart ones turn to dealing. Why not? They make as much in a night as they would in a month at McDonald's. If you were smart, wouldn't you want to make 10x+?"

I thought about that. Realized how true it was. Even looking at how the community changed. The neighborhoods they lived in weren't always black. They were Italian before that, Irish before that. But people got out of that. How? Primarily through ownership of the community. Someone became a landowner and rented their property. Someone else apprenticed at the butcher, or the cobbler, then could find a storefront and start their own. Someone else opened a grocery store, or a restaurant. Today, though? There are no butchers or cobblers, not that own their own business. The grocery stores, restaurants, even the property are all owned by white people a thousand miles away. Whereas the wealth of the area used to go back into the area, in that the business owners and landlords were local, now it gets sent to thousands of millionaire shareholders. It's like any wealth gets hoovered out.

Then I looked at my own upbringing as a comparison. Most of my friends' parents were small business owners, or stockbrokers, or executives. They nearly all had higher education (my father being a rarity, without even a HS degree.) For us, school was well organized, and just a given. Hell, I remember being in Ohio and talking to a coworker whose nephew, in April, was trying to decide if he wanted to go to college. Where I grew up, that wasn't a decision. I didn't know it could be a decision. Much like how, when you grow up as a kid, you get taller, your baby teeth fall out, etc., you went to college. You just did. It blew my mind that someone could question this.

All of this kind of came together as me realizing how goddamn privileged my upbringing was. I don't come from a rich family, though many of my friends do, but the circumstances of where I grew up, the town I was in, the school I went to, all had far more to do with my success than anything I added (and I've worked my absolute ass off.)
That town, btw, is 95% white. And even though it isn't racist, it does everything it can to keep "poor" people out. And man, we had one kid in my grade that was black, and any time we hung out with him, we definitely had more police officers asking us what we were doing loitering in the parking lot of the strip mall.
 
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News Comments > BioWare's Dragon Age and Mass Effect Plans
114. Re: BioWare's Dragon Age and Mass Effect Plans Aug 7, 2018, 08:58 Beamer
 
Prez wrote on Aug 7, 2018, 08:40:
Surely Beamer and Sepharo, you guys can at least relate - when I discuss something with you I start out the discussion respectfully and it continues in kind. We don't always agree but we manage to state our viewpoints without flinging our shit at the walls so to speak. Conversely, having discussions on the same topics with people who insist on calling you "SJW's", "White Knights", "Delicate little snowflakes", and the like ... without fail they end up contentious and devolve quickly at the very least into passive aggression if not outright downright belligerence. As a time-killing internet exercise that's fine, but I get the feeling that guys of your intelligence are not seeking that. By the same token mentioning "white fragility" is belittling, dismissive, and reductive. It's a clear indicator that you have no interest in hearing what the individual is saying but rather lumping them into a group you already have a negative view of and for which you have preconceived arguments at the ready. If your goal is to educate someone on your viewpoint, which is always the first step to changing hearts and minds as the saying goes, nothing is more counterproductive. I get that an interent forum is hardly the ideal place for deep meaningful discussion given the nature of it - hit-and-run jingoistic angry posts easily derail such things, but Quinn obviously doesn't fall into that category.

I remember when there was a lot of construction going on in my neighborhood as new homes all around me were being built, and I walked over to talk to the foreman about some damage one of his workers had done to my yard driving over it with his Bobcat. He was understanding and promised to fix it, but during the conversation the term "Goddamn Mexicans" came out of his mouth. It got awkward after that so I quickly thanked him and went back home. Later on he came to my door and filled me in on how the repair would be done over the weekend, and I casually started a conversation by mentioning he didn't seem to be too keen on his crew. (The entirety of which was Hispanic; he was the only white guy on the jobsite that I could see). I didn't call him a racist or accuse him of being racially insensitive and managed to get ouy of him that he had two sons who worked construction sitting at home without a job because the Contractor Manager liked hiring the Hispanics for several reasons. Bottom line there was a context to his anger that I wouldn't have found had I responded to his tirade with accusations.

Okay now that story time is over, I have to mention that while I didn't take the opprtunity to present an alternative viewpoint to him (that of the "Goddamn Mexicans) because his crew was coming back from their lunch break, the opportunity was there. Maybe I could have gotten somewhere and maybe I couldn't have, but a chance is better than no chance. Do i consider him a racist? No, because that would require in depth knowledge of his character that I had no way of knowing. Yes he made a gross racist comment in anget, but in my book that alone does not a racist make. There was room for discussion there. Again, this often can't happen on the internets, but it sometimes might bear unlikely fruit. Who knows?

Like I said, Quinn is otherwise a decent (as in good, not mediocre) person, and a quality poster.

But he seems to really not see racism when it's right there in front of all of us. No one here is calling him a racist, just, y'know, he's the kxmode of these discussions. He goes on blind faith, unwilling to challenge his own preconceived notion that everything is swell and golly gee whiz, if not for that hip hop black people would be successful!

He's not racist. But his response to any discussion of racism is usually "white people have it rough, too, so let's call it majority privilege, even though in this nation there isn't a single place where that isn't actually white privilege, because even in inner cities 98% black you're better off being white" or, of course, "not all white people! Stop flagellating yourself!"

Seph is right - it's white privilege in action. No one wants him to pay reparations, or give a pound of his own flesh to LeBron James. But just acknowledge an issue.

Also, for white people reading www.theroot.com is a fun place to start seeing these issues. Yes, of course it's hugely biased. And yes, it makes fun of white people, which you're probably going to be insulted by. And it's not always, or perhaps often, right. But just see the news articles they cover, not the spin but the articles, and question if their jokes about "wypepo" is half as offensive.


 
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News Comments > BioWare's Dragon Age and Mass Effect Plans
113. Re: BioWare's Dragon Age and Mass Effect Plans Aug 7, 2018, 08:53 Beamer
 
Quinn wrote on Aug 7, 2018, 07:50:
Beamer wrote on Aug 7, 2018, 07:25:
White Privilege would be toxic no matter what you call it.

Have you ever had an intervention on someone who honestly, direly needs it? Nothing is more divisive and toxic. You get screamed at, blamed, called names, and are sure there is no coming back, but you were at the lowest point, anyway.

Then, months later, that person has distance and perspective and hopefully got the help that came after accepting a problem they never could have accepted that they had without their peers helping them come to that realization. It sucks, but then it doesn't. Sugar coating doesn't help, it just delays.

Jesus fucking Christ, Beamer. This is what I mean with self-flagellation from people embracing the term White Privilege. How sick do you think our society is? How little agency do you give minorities, man? I don't even know how to continue from here.

Have you been to a prison? How can any person walk through there and not see that our society is pretty fucking ill? There are serious issues.

You blame the plight of black people (weirdly, except for Caribbeans, though you've yet to demonstrate they're more successful) on things like them so often having single parent families.

Gee, what would you call the odds that a white person doesn't have that? Maybe some kind of privilege, some kind of thing in which white people at birth are more set up for success because they come from more traditional families. Something about being luckier, and it having to do with the color of your skin... Hmm...

And I'm not self-flagellating myself. At all. Jesus. You can acknowledge a fucking problem without feeling like you need to kill yourself for it.

But you can't acknowledge a problem. Black children are infinitely more likely to end up in poverty or jail. You can literally walk into a hospital and point at who will end up with a college degree based on the color of their skin. They're more likely to be shot by cops, even if unarmed.

You call this "bumps." You can't acknowledge that something about our society is skewed very heavily in favor of some people over others due to their skin tone.
 
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News Comments > BioWare's Dragon Age and Mass Effect Plans
110. Re: BioWare's Dragon Age and Mass Effect Plans Aug 7, 2018, 07:25 Beamer
 
White Privilege would be toxic no matter what you call it.

Have you ever had an intervention on someone who honestly, direly needs it? Nothing is more divisive and toxic. You get screamed at, blamed, called names, and are sure there is no coming back, but you were at the lowest point, anyway.

Then, months later, that person has distance and perspective and hopefully got the help that came after accepting a problem they never could have accepted that they had without their peers helping them come to that realization. It sucks, but then it doesn't. Sugar coating doesn't help, it just delays.
 
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News Comments > BioWare's Dragon Age and Mass Effect Plans
109. Re: Re: BioWare's Dragon Age and Mass Effect Plans Aug 7, 2018, 07:21 Beamer
 
Kxmode wrote on Aug 7, 2018, 00:23:
Sepharo wrote on Aug 6, 2018, 18:48:
It's not calling anyone anything. It's a concept, one backed by history and acknowledged by even the opponents of the concept in this thread.

Discussing "white privilege" is not an attack on an individual nor whites in general. The fact that people feel attacked when it is discussed and actually consider it racism against themselves is illustrative of the problem in the first place... and what lead to the coining of "white fragility". It's the anger and/or the "I'm being made to feel guilty" that people get when reminded of this idea. It's much of this thread.

Upon describing a situation where a black man is pulled over for speeding but then he is asked to exit the car and they search his vehicle, a white person might say, "Wow that's never happened to me for a simple speeding ticket... are you sure he wasn't doing something else wrong?" ... the other may respond, "Well, that's white privilege, you're not black, you haven't experienced being pulled over as a black man before." THIS IS NOT AN ATTACK ON THE WHITE PERSON OR HIS RACE ... it is simple recognition that much of our society treats minorities differently than it treats whites. It's something we're working on, it's something that has been getting better, it's something that appears in the news more often because of our progress on it. It is not 100%, it is not math, not every white person is racist, not every white person is fortunate, not ever minority is poor or a criminal or treated in a racist manner, there are areas in the United States where a national minority won't be a local minority, again it isn't math. It's simply acknowledgement that minorities in this country haven't had a fair shake (to put it very mildly) and it's something we should be working on...
And to bring it all back around, until recently, white males have been the defacto protagonist in video games, some fans and developers have been advocating (and implementing) diversity to rectify this, other fans have flipped their shit about this, some while trying to have it both ways, "I don't mind diversity, I just don't want to know it was a conscious decision on the part of the developer."

I find it humorous that in 2018, "racism" is still an issue. The Witnesses resolved racism virtually at its formation in the 1800's (and before the Witnesses, no racism existed in First-Century Christianity). Only the stupid laws - like black and white Witnesses being forced to sit on opposite sides in Kingdom Halls - was observed. A nice factoid: during major conventions, the city's government could not enforce racial separation due to crowd size, so these events were rare occasions where Witnesses could genuinely commingle as spiritual brothers and sisters. During those years, black and white Witnesses found ways around the stupid laws. For example, they would share the same bathroom, drink from the same fountains. Both races would worship together, sing together, pray together and love one another; and if needed die for one another.

There was an experience in apartheid South African of Johny and Gideon. One was the leader of a far-right movement who actively supported apartheid while the other was the chairman of a mass democratic movement for blacks. Both of these men became Witnesses, and through a study of the Bible, they learned God has NO partiality towards any race. All are equal in the eyes of God. Skin color is the variety of beauty God has given to the human race. Unfortunately, under Satanic influence, the world doesn't see skin color as variety and beauty. They see skin color as a hateful thing to fight again. It's childish.

I mean, except for the segregation in Kingdom Halls until the 60s...
 
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News Comments > Morning Metaverse
28. Re: Morning Metaverse Aug 6, 2018, 23:08 Beamer
 
Wonder if he worries as hard about religions actually persecuted here, as opposed to ones the government just set up a task force to defend.  
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News Comments > BioWare's Dragon Age and Mass Effect Plans
104. Re: BioWare's Dragon Age and Mass Effect Plans Aug 6, 2018, 21:54 Beamer
 
Sepharo wrote on Aug 6, 2018, 18:48:
eRe4s3r wrote on Aug 6, 2018, 18:29:
Prez wrote on Aug 6, 2018, 16:24:
Normally I'd agree with you Beamer - arguing what things are called is basically semantics most of the time. But when it comes to this topic specifically, an already contentious one for many people, what gets called what to be passed off as simple identifiers is important. Words like 'racism' and 'white privilege' are, in my opinion, very intentionally used as igniter words to evoke strong feelings. The problem is, these words often derail any chance of intelligeny discourse because of how they are intended to make non-minorities feel. Ashamed. Guilty. Possibly even partial perpetrators of the injustice. I know that I am none of these things, and the labels I take at face value. But as evidenced by how these discussions are always so contentious - here and pretty much everywhere else - what would noramlly be simple semantics becomes a huge sticking point that precludes civil discourse. I'm willing to bet that half of the people who tune you out and get mad and defensive are just tired of being (what they perceive to be anyway) lambasted for being born into a middle class white family (something they have no more control over than someone born into a lower class Hispanic or African American family). Yes there is indifference on the part of many, but I suspect the majority of people who get called privileged white dudes really do care about fixing the system that tends to bury the less fortunate under a mountain of disadvatages and the culture of beligerence adopted by minorities that breeds adversarial relationships with law enforcement, authority, and people more fortunate. But it's a complicated issue with many, many facets, and even us privileged middle class white guys have stressful, busy lives rife with problems that need to be managed. There's only so much energy and attention one has to go around, and most of it naturally gets dedicated to keeping ourselves afloat. Lack of action is not indicative of a lack of empathy.

Exactly.

Intelligent discourse stops the moment you call someone an ideologically charged term. Because when you as a minority challenge the status quo of the established majority ideology you are no longer a minority, you are an ideological enemy to the majority. And if you don't have a strong charismatic figurehead like Ghandi behind you, a person behind which any person of any color could rally, then you will lose that battle REALLY hard.

It's why in Europe as well as in the USA we see more and more radical viewpoints pushed into majority acceptance, the more minorities engage in hateful personal attacks instead of fundamental bi-partisan concepts the more the radical viewpoints gain dominance. The more Trumps we will have, and the less Ghandis.

What some people don't get is that for the majority these issues are entirely irrelevant to their lives. And those issues that are relevant to the majority were not catered to by the "other" party, otherwise Trump would not be where he is.

And for a German I can only say, please continue, it's been good entertainment so far ;p

It's not calling anyone anything. It's a concept, one backed by history and acknowledged by even the opponents of the concept in this thread.
Discussing "white privilege" is not an attack on an individual nor whites in general. The fact that people feel attacked when it is discussed and actually consider it racism against themselves is illustrative of the problem in the first place... and what lead to the coining of "white fragility". It's the anger and/or the "I'm being made to feel guilty" that people get when reminded of this idea. It's much of this thread.

Upon describing a situation where a black man is pulled over for speeding but then he is asked to exit the car and they search his vehicle, a white person might say, "Wow that's never happened to me for a simple speeding ticket... are you sure he wasn't doing something else wrong?" ... the other may respond, "Well, that's white privilege, you're not black, you haven't experienced being pulled over as a black man before." THIS IS NOT AN ATTACK ON THE WHITE PERSON OR HIS RACE ... it is simple recognition that much of our society treats minorities differently than it treats whites. It's something we're working on, it's something that has been getting better, it's something that appears in the news more often because of our progress on it. It is not 100%, it is not math, not every white person is racist, not every white person is fortunate, not ever minority is poor or a criminal or treated in a racist manner, there are areas in the United States where a national minority won't be a local minority, again it isn't math. It's simply acknowledgement that minorities in this country haven't had a fair shake (to put it very mildly) and it's something we should be working on...
And to bring it all back around, until recently, white males have been the defacto protagonist in video games, some fans and developers have been advocating (and implementing) diversity to rectify this, other fans have flipped their shit about this, some while trying to have it both ways, "I don't mind diversity, I just don't want to know it was a conscious decision on the part of the developer."

Nicely said.

 
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News Comments > BioWare's Dragon Age and Mass Effect Plans
102. Re: BioWare's Dragon Age and Mass Effect Plans Aug 6, 2018, 18:33 Beamer
 
I mean, Gandhi was hated in his time. So was Dr. King. They were considered ideological enemies.  
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News Comments > Morning Legal Briefs
7. Re: Morning Legal Briefs Aug 6, 2018, 18:17 Beamer
 
BIGtrouble77 wrote on Aug 6, 2018, 17:29:
RedEye9 wrote on Aug 6, 2018, 16:25:
Free speech won't be affected but idiots passing off bullshit as real might.

He definitely toes the line of free speech and libel, but it gets me really uncomfortable when guys like this are silenced. He's just someone with a lot of bad ideas that should be ridiculed, not silenced. I certainly don't want Google, Apple and Facebook deciding what should be censored and what shouldn't, our news and information streams flow too much through these companies to begin with. They should not have the power to censor what we consume on a whim- We may not loose any sleep over Alex Jones going away, but it sets a terrible prescident.

I mean, he's not silenced. These outlets were never the core of his media empire (shitty supplements are more or less the core by now, hawked to you by Milo Yiannapoulis!)

But, as Slick said, mocking Alex Jones for decades hasn't hurt him. The President of the United States has appeared on his show and called him a wonderful patriot! The President! Platforms have given him far more power than mocking has taken away.
 
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News Comments > BioWare's Dragon Age and Mass Effect Plans
100. Re: BioWare's Dragon Age and Mass Effect Plans Aug 6, 2018, 18:15 Beamer
 
Prez wrote on Aug 6, 2018, 16:24:
Normally I'd agree with you Beamer - arguing what things are called is basically semantics most of the time. But when it comes to this topic specifically, an already contentious one for many people, what gets called what to be passed off as simple identifiers is important. Words like 'racism' and 'white privilege' are, in my opinion, very intentionally used as igniter words to evoke strong feelings. The problem is, these words often derail any chance of intelligeny discourse because of how they are intended to make non-minorities feel. Ashamed. Guilty. Possibly even partial perpetrators of the injustice. I know that I am none of these things, and the labels I take at face value. But as evidenced by how these discussions are always so contentious - here and pretty much everywhere else - what would noramlly be simple semantics becomes a huge sticking point that precludes civil discourse. I'm willing to bet that half of the people who tune you out and get mad and defensive are just tired of being (what they perceive to be anyway) lambasted for being born into a middle class white family (something they have no more control over than someone born into a lower class Hispanic or African American family). Yes there is indifference on the part of many, but I suspect the majority of people who get called privileged white dudes really do care about fixing the system that tends to bury the less fortunate under a mountain of disadvatages and the culture of beligerence adopted by minorities that breeds adversarial relationships with law enforcement, authority, and people more fortunate. But it's a complicated issue with many, many facets, and even us privileged middle class white guys have stressful, busy lives rife with problems that need to be managed. There's only so much energy and attention one has to go around, and most of it naturally gets dedicated to keeping ourselves afloat. Lack of action is not indicative of a lack of empathy.

And at the same time, Quinn, an otherwise very decent guy and quality poster, describes racism against blacks in America as "bumps."

No one will really complain about lack of action, but lack of acceptance of a problem is a bit different.
 
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News Comments > BioWare's Dragon Age and Mass Effect Plans
95. Re: BioWare's Dragon Age and Mass Effect Plans Aug 6, 2018, 09:43 Beamer
 
Quinn wrote on Aug 6, 2018, 09:41:
Beamer wrote on Aug 6, 2018, 09:37:
Quinn wrote on Aug 6, 2018, 09:35:
Just look at the disparities between west indian blacks and american blacks. Those people look virtually the same, so why does the first perform so much better than the second if institutional racism exists? The evidence is stacked against you, Beamer.

Read some of Coleman Hughes articles.


Wait, you're arguing that blacks from the Caribbean are doing better? How many of them are CEOs? How many of them are professors? How many of them are living in utter poverty in Queens and Newark?


Stop reacting with your gut, Beamer. You think what you are seeing is racism and you're having your fingers in your ear shouting la la la's. Look at the numbers. Explain to me why west indian blacks fare so much better than american blacks, while having shared the same history of slavery. "Institutional racism!" makes absolutely no sense.

Where is you're evidence that they far "so much better?" Where?!

And again, if it isn't institutional racism, what is it? Tell me, Quinn, what is it? I'm answering your questions. I've also asked you this twice, you can't answer.

Lastly, don't tell me I'm reacting with my gut. I can say the same to you, and you desperately flailing to not have to admit any strong bias in your favor because you think it means you need to be guilty. I've actually lived around the country. I've lived in Newark, surrounded by the black poverty. I've lived in Ohio, surrounded by the white and the black poverty to see the difference. I've worked in criminal court in one of the poorest counties in the northeast. And I've taken classes in this, both from the legal and the economic sense.

You read articles from 22 year olds.
 
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News Comments > BioWare's Dragon Age and Mass Effect Plans
94. Re: BioWare's Dragon Age and Mass Effect Plans Aug 6, 2018, 09:42 Beamer
 
Quinn wrote on Aug 6, 2018, 09:35:
Beamer wrote on Aug 6, 2018, 09:34:
Read some of Coleman Hughes articles.

I just looked him up. He's 22. I'm sure he has a strong understanding of the history of this country.

He did argue that the fact that Asian Americans were in camps in the 1940s but are successful now means there's no racism. He ignores that most Japanese people in the US now came here long after that, and came here already wealthy. Many came here with jobs lined up.

It doesn't accurately reflect the situation most African Americans go through.
 
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92. Re: BioWare's Dragon Age and Mass Effect Plans Aug 6, 2018, 09:37 Beamer
 
Quinn wrote on Aug 6, 2018, 09:35:
Just look at the disparities between west indian blacks and american blacks. Those people look virtually the same, so why does the first perform so much better than the second if institutional racism exists? The evidence is stacked against you, Beamer.

Read some of Coleman Hughes articles.


Wait, you're arguing that blacks from the Caribbean are doing better? How many of them are CEOs? How many of them are professors? How many of them are living in utter poverty in Queens and Newark?

 
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90. Re: BioWare's Dragon Age and Mass Effect Plans Aug 6, 2018, 09:34 Beamer
 
Prez wrote on Aug 6, 2018, 09:03:
I was specifically talking about ethnic and financial status cultures. A quick synopsis - The way our social, political, and economic system has evolved over time has unfortuantely led to a self-propagating downslide for the poor and minorities that locks them into a cultural cycle that puts them at a huge disadvantage that's often too hard to overcome. It's an extremely complicated and long-winded discussion so I'm not sure going into much depth is feasible here. Instead a quick metaphor - one can point to the NFL and say that there's a dearth of Asians and physically handicapped players, thus the NFL is inherently bigoted towards those groups. I would say that that is indicative of a system that was set up without malice and devoid of agenda that is naturally predisposed towards exclusion of those groups. Not the best example I know, as the NFL is an elite organization and society encompasses everyone, but it works as an example of what I'm getting at.

And for the record, I disagree with the author whose writing you posted. The term institutionalized racism implies that the system itself is racist. This not true, nor even possible in my opinion.

Like people who complain about "toxic masculinity," you're complaining about the term, not the definition. The authors I quoted are literally the two that coined the term. We can argue it's an imperfect term, but the outcome is the same. It's always a shame when a valid concept gets a term many find offensive and then fight based on it and not based on the actual concept (not arguing you're doing this, Prez, also, the last time topics such as this came up you made a fantastic post that kind of ended the thread, never commented, but it was a long and thoughtful and good post.)

It's generally not active racism. Hell, it's generally not active, at all, it's often passive. But like you say, our society has created a culture where brown people are set up for failure before they're even born. It wasn't out of malice, but it's often out of malice, or incompetence, or stupidity, or fearmongering, that we are so slow to rectify this.
 
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88. Re: BioWare's Dragon Age and Mass Effect Plans Aug 6, 2018, 08:59 Beamer
 
The term was coined in 1967, and the authors used this as part of the definition:

"When white terrorists bomb a black church and kill five black children, that is an act of individual racism, widely deplored by most segments of the society. But when in that same city Birmingham, Alabama five hundred black babies die each year because of the lack of power, food, shelter and medical facilities, and thousands more are destroyed and maimed physically, emotionally and intellectually because of conditions of poverty and discrimination in the black community, that is a function of institutional racism. When a black family moves into a home in a white neighborhood and is stoned, burned or routed out, they are victims of an overt act of individual racism which most people will condemn. But it is institutional racism that keeps black people locked in dilapidated slum tenements, subject to the daily prey of exploitative slumlords, merchants, loan sharks and discriminatory real estate agents. The society either pretends it does not know of this latter situation, or is in fact incapable of doing anything meaningful about it."

I think it's hard to deny that all happens now. Even look at the news. That white college girl disappeared last week, and has been all over the news. I can't open a browser tab in any browser and not see some headline about how many times the FBI interviewed a local pig farmer about her disappearance, or that a truck stop worker may have (or may not have) seen her. All these cute photos of a smiling white girl everywhere. Missing black children never get this coverage. And when that black girl, around the same age, was stabbed on the BART, the photos the media led off with of her were of her holding a gun, pointed at the camera.

It's one example of something that keeps happening.

And these aren't deliberate choices. No one sits there, twirling their mustache, going "I'm going to bring down the black man!" Everyone doing this thinks they're good, honest people doing the right thing. Hell, go to KotakuInAction and see those kids swearing they're not racist. Look at the Proud Boys, organizing "America First" marches, when pressed will admit "America" means white, but swearing up and down they're not racist. Just realists, at worst. No one will say they're racist. No one thinks they are. That doesn't mean their actions, often unintentional, don't have that impact, whether more subtle like picking which photo to feature of a victim, or more overt, like deciding to join a movement like GamerGate or the Proud Boys.
 
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87. Re: BioWare's Dragon Age and Mass Effect Plans Aug 6, 2018, 08:47 Beamer
 
Prez wrote on Aug 6, 2018, 08:42:
People will often cite the same instances of what they call institutionalized racism. Our incarceration rate which is heavily slanted towards minorities, banks giving loans in far greater percentages to non-minorities, and police shootings to name a few. While all of these are serious cultural issues, I disagree that these are in and of themselves are evidence of institutionalized racism; rather, I believe they are symptomatic of serious cultural issues in the U.S. that unfortunately hurt minorities specifically. A single racist cop shooting an unarmed black man is not necessarily an indication of widespread racism throughout law enforcement, nor is a single racist judge giving a harsher sentence to a minority than a white guy for similar offenses. These are problems yes, as there are dangerous people in positions of power that need to be dealt with, but by and large tend to be isolated incidents that receive massive amplification from media outlets stirring the pot for views that such coverage will garner. Divisiveness is good for business in the media world.

Is culture not a social institution?
 
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86. Re: BioWare's Dragon Age and Mass Effect Plans Aug 6, 2018, 08:46 Beamer
 
Quinn wrote on Aug 6, 2018, 07:26:
Beamer wrote on Aug 6, 2018, 07:02:
If you think it's a "few bumps" I think you don't understand.

And seph is right. No one wants self-flagulation, but you can work to help right wrongs. Calling those wrongs "bumps," turning discussion over those bumps into rants about how one time someone called you a cracker, or saying that movies are bad because the protagonist isn't like you and is proudly that way doesn't help. You say you're one way, but your posts keep defying that by, well, by diminishing actual institutionalized racism as "bumps," or claiming there are places in the US where it's better to not be white.

Don't imply I said shit I didn't say, Beamer. It's pathetic.

We've been through this institutionalized racism claim. You claim it exists. The burden of proof is on you. The closest I get to any evidence is the notion that some schools now have courses aimed at the study of "whiteness", pounding another wedge between people based on race. Whoop-dee-fucking-doo...

Do you watch the news?
Do you see how many black people are being shot, unarmed, by police? It seems disproportionate, no?

Or how many more black people are in prison? You acknowledge it's very disproportionate, right? Almost as if they don't get the same treatment in courtrooms. Perhaps, even, there is something to the notion that some laws are skewed against them, such as the penalties for certain kinds of controlled substances (e.g., crack is essentially watered-down cocaine, but 5gms of crack carried the same penalty as 500g of cocaine.)

Maybe you disagree. Maybe you don't think the legal system is skewed against black people. Maybe you don't think society as a whole is. If it isn't, though, why are so many more black people in prison, proportionately? Why are so few college professors, or CEOs, or really in any kind of executive position. Is this something about, y'know, society and our institutions, or is it something inherently about black people?

It's one or the other, so again, I ask you, which do you feel it is?
 
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