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News Comments > Saturday Metaverse
12. Re: Saturday Metaverse Sep 16, 2017, 18:48 Beamer
 
jdreyer wrote on Sep 16, 2017, 17:30:
Beamer wrote on Sep 16, 2017, 17:08:
jdreyer wrote on Sep 16, 2017, 13:08:
Dear ad companies,

You guys screwed the pooch. You did shit like create auto play videos and sound, cause ads to auto redirect, and allowed malware to be served as ads. You did these things because you could, without considering whether you should. Now you are reaping what you have sown.

I block ads on my phone for two reasons. First, they double my usage when I allow them, and I don't have unlimited data. Second, they slow my phone down as they load or as they play. It often makes the sites I am accessing unusable.

So please go jump off a cliff,
Thanks.

Traditional advertising is dead. No one reads print, and no one watches TV commercials.

Internet display is dead. Ad blocked. But autoplay videos aren't their fault. That was media companies, not ads. I guess ads a fraction of the time, but far more places like ESPN.

But advertising will never die. Now they either find a way to not suck, which some have, or they declare war and move towards paid promotion, where movie and TV characters are always holding a coke with the label just right, which is the worst way to go.

I'll never take a brand I work with that way.
The internet ad companies both allowed and enabled fmv, as well as auto-redirect, either explicitly or negligently. Back when ads were just banner ads no one thought twice. Few complained and ad blockers didn't exist. The ad companies have been arrogant, and assumed they could do as they wished with a captive audience. They took it way too far.

Thus the backlash.

I don't entirely agree. The backlash was always there - it was there for banner ads, then for animated banner ads, and especially for cookies. People endlessly complained then, too.

I'd also say the autoplay sound video ads were there for ads, but almost exclusively unscrupulous no-name companies like malware or subprime mortgages. And those got nixed quickly, with autoplay now primarily news sites autoplaying the stupid video going with their article.

Predominantly, the ad companies doing what you're discussing were small shops working with other small shops. But it doesn't matter. Ads are still too pervasive. Go to Walmart.com and count how many ads are on the page. Ads that, in many cases, take you off Walmart.com. Same with Target.

In general, internet ads are easy to ignore, and idiot companies trying hard to make them impossible to ignore made people turn to technology. TV ads are easy to ignore - people either use Netflix, use DVR to skip ads, play on their phone during ads, or just don't watch TV. Print is dead. But advertising can't die. We get so much for free, and it needs some revenue.

My career, to date, has been predominantly building eCommerce revenue at large brands and retailers. But in the last six months, I've somewhat shifted to how to build brand awareness online, and how to launch products and build trial, conversion, and revenue. People are shocked when I tell them everything they've been doing is dead. Regular display is dead. Twitter is dead. Companies need to be creative and offer something. They can't treat consumers like the enemy.

It's fun for me because I'm probably one of the least impressionable people for traditional ads, at least for my age. They don't reach me, even when they're there I ignore them. I get annoyed when they're in the feed of whatever app I'm in. I'm guessing everyone here is exactly the same way. But we still do find out about new products, and we still do watch ads. I mean, some here discuss spending lots of time watching Let's Play videos, which are really just ads. Informative ones, but the people making them are very often compensated, even if just a free game. And then the video is monetized. But the company making the game is encouraging all of this to increase sales. They're complex, complicated ads.
 
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News Comments > Op Ed
45. Re: Op Ed Sep 16, 2017, 17:13 Beamer
 
Quboid wrote on Sep 16, 2017, 15:43:
Redmask wrote on Sep 16, 2017, 13:45:
I have no idea who this person is but a casual Google search reveals that hes some moron on Youtube, not the Pope. He can say whatever he wants and his audience is free to fuck off if they're so angry about it.
And looking further into this he already apologized but I guess its not good enough, he needs to totally commit himself to eradicating racism across the planet or give his money away. What about the children!!! Careful lefties, you're going to pull something reaching that far.

Is there anything in between a half-assed apology designed only to avoid consequences, and totally committing oneself to eradicating racism or giving away one's money?

I like how people who don't know who he is have opinions.

"I don't know who this Ronald McDonald guy is, but a casual Google says he's a clown. If a clown says a bad word why care?"
 
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News Comments > Saturday Metaverse
10. Re: Saturday Metaverse Sep 16, 2017, 17:08 Beamer
 
jdreyer wrote on Sep 16, 2017, 13:08:
Dear ad companies,

You guys screwed the pooch. You did shit like create auto play videos and sound, cause ads to auto redirect, and allowed malware to be served as ads. You did these things because you could, without considering whether you should. Now you are reaping what you have sown.

I block ads on my phone for two reasons. First, they double my usage when I allow them, and I don't have unlimited data. Second, they slow my phone down as they load or as they play. It often makes the sites I am accessing unusable.

So please go jump off a cliff,
Thanks.

Traditional advertising is dead. No one reads print, and no one watches TV commercials.

Internet display is dead. Ad blocked. But autoplay videos aren't their fault. That was media companies, not ads. I guess ads a fraction of the time, but far more places like ESPN.

But advertising will never die. Now they either find a way to not suck, which some have, or they declare war and move towards paid promotion, where movie and TV characters are always holding a coke with the label just right, which is the worst way to go.

I'll never take a brand I work with that way.
 
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News Comments > Evening Metaverse
5. Re: Evening Metaverse Sep 15, 2017, 23:41 Beamer
 
Where else is there to go? And this comes at the request of the advertisers, who don't want to pay for certain content.  
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News Comments > Morning Interviews
24. Re: Morning Interviews Sep 15, 2017, 19:40 Beamer
 
PacoTaco wrote on Sep 15, 2017, 17:26:
CliffyB has treated many people poorly for decades and made a lot of money despite his shortcomings as a designer, worker, alcoholic, and leader of men. I have no pity for him or the people who follow him.


Beamer wrote on Sep 14, 2017, 22:45:
PacoTaco wrote on Sep 14, 2017, 20:44:
So they followed him to a situation where they got to work on failed project? Are about to get laid off and beg for the jobs at Epic they will never get back? Hmm. Genius.

I will give you a positive spin on it Nexon bought for it to be used outside the western market. Maybe it is doing better there.

As for the US market it had no chance against Blizzard / OverWatch.

Ended up being a B grade me to product they would have done better to take that juicy Tencent money and make another Unreal product not done by the community. With Cliffy leading it with his troop of loyal designers.

A lot of the people that stayed at Epic were super duper happy his drunken ass left. Still happy even after the failure of Fortnight and Paragon. :-)

Cliffy had a chance to be a great designer but the booze and ego ruined him, he also stopped working. The good news is he got a lot of money from the Tencent buy out so he and the other God of Games cover boys are going to be fine, maybe he can join American banging hot Asian chick sailing around China.


I would wager I know more people at Epic than you, and didn't know any who were happy. Which also makes sense, a large, large bulk of the design team quit that day. Some with him, some elsewhere.

You're also moving goalposts here, about the failure of the product. That wasn't your initial statement, it was that he was a drunk and people hated him. Objectively, that isn't true. Not sure what sources you think you have, likely wholly anonymous. I mean, I suppose I am, too, but I've actually been in that building numerous times. Cliff was well liked. Everyone there was well liked.

No, he hasn't, and you seem really angry, offering no proof, not even anecdotes. You can't name people who left, whether due to this or not. You can't name anything specific.

You just hate CliffyB so much you desperately want all of this to be true.
 
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News Comments > Op Ed
40. Re: Op Ed Sep 15, 2017, 19:39 Beamer
 
Verno wrote on Sep 15, 2017, 15:57:
This isn't even news, dude has made racist comments several times in the past. He's super popular and doesn't really need to watch his words. You can't shame him or go after his revenue directly because he reaches a wide audience and is essentially his own company. I think that's what really bothers the twitter mob the most, they're used to shaming people into apologies or getting them fired with sheer force of spam.

He said something dumb and he shouldn't have but he's a known racist piece of shit so uh what do you expect? Don't watch him if you truly care about these things. I sure as hell don't. I don't really care about forcing a fake apology out of him just so he can hang onto a Youtube sponsor or something either.

Do you think any of the people complaining, here or on Twitter, watch him?

No, his audience is primarily children. If you're a company paying for him to reach that audience, this bothers you. Even more, if you're a parent, this bothers you. How do you stop your middle schooler obsessed with PDP from watching him?

The guy makes $16M per yer. From advertisers. Who want to reach children. Of course this gets him in trouble. If Captain Kangaroo or Barney or Elmo said this on air, it'd be a similar thing.
 
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News Comments > Op Ed
33. Re: Op Ed Sep 15, 2017, 14:08 Beamer
 
In all honesty, how many video game characters have been well written?

John Marston, absolutely.
 
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News Comments > $45K Star Citizen Refund?
71. Re: Re: $45K Star Citizen Refund? Sep 15, 2017, 11:58 Beamer
 
Kxmode wrote on Sep 15, 2017, 10:59:
RedEye9 wrote on Sep 15, 2017, 09:05:
Both AI and Warhorse rank about the same, with Warhorse leading by a point or two. And the critics and audience scores are close.
http://www.metacritic.com/movie/artificial-intelligence-ai/critic-reviews
http://www.metacritic.com/movie/war-horse/critic-reviews

More often than not a critic's view of a film doesn't gel with the general public. I wouldn't put them on a pedestal.

It depends if you view like critics, who have a more academic and professional view, and a wide knowledge to compare to, or fans, who seem to think transformers are watchable.
 
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News Comments > Op Ed
28. Re: Op Ed Sep 15, 2017, 08:56 Beamer
 
Prez wrote on Sep 15, 2017, 02:36:
Beamer wrote on Sep 14, 2017, 22:43:

Just don't get how libertarians and GamerGaters argue this.

GamerGaters? Is that still a thing?

Yes, and their latest thing is defending the use of the n word as "just a word," which is rich for a bunch of people angry 3 years later that someone said they were "over."
 
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News Comments > Morning Interviews
22. Re: Morning Interviews Sep 14, 2017, 22:45 Beamer
 
PacoTaco wrote on Sep 14, 2017, 20:44:
So they followed him to a situation where they got to work on failed project? Are about to get laid off and beg for the jobs at Epic they will never get back? Hmm. Genius.

I will give you a positive spin on it Nexon bought for it to be used outside the western market. Maybe it is doing better there.

As for the US market it had no chance against Blizzard / OverWatch.

Ended up being a B grade me to product they would have done better to take that juicy Tencent money and make another Unreal product not done by the community. With Cliffy leading it with his troop of loyal designers.

A lot of the people that stayed at Epic were super duper happy his drunken ass left. Still happy even after the failure of Fortnight and Paragon. :-)

Cliffy had a chance to be a great designer but the booze and ego ruined him, he also stopped working. The good news is he got a lot of money from the Tencent buy out so he and the other God of Games cover boys are going to be fine, maybe he can join American banging hot Asian chick sailing around China.


I would wager I know more people at Epic than you, and didn't know any who were happy. Which also makes sense, a large, large bulk of the design team quit that day. Some with him, some elsewhere.

You're also moving goalposts here, about the failure of the product. That wasn't your initial statement, it was that he was a drunk and people hated him. Objectively, that isn't true. Not sure what sources you think you have, likely wholly anonymous. I mean, I suppose I am, too, but I've actually been in that building numerous times. Cliff was well liked. Everyone there was well liked.
 
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News Comments > Op Ed
15. Re: Op Ed Sep 14, 2017, 22:43 Beamer
 
The word literally means inferior black people. You can say it without being racist, but saying it is racist. It's de facto racism.

Just don't get how libertarians and GamerGaters argue this. And, honestly, why does intent matter? If you call a kid the n word on Xbox Live, he doesn't have the ability to dive deep into your psyche and see if you're racist or not, he just knows you're calling him racist things.
 
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News Comments > Morning Interviews
19. Re: Morning Interviews Sep 14, 2017, 18:41 Beamer
 
PacoTaco wrote on Sep 14, 2017, 18:08:
Rumor has it that most of the Epic guys had to finish his work for him on Gears and Unreal and do it in a way that didn't make him look bad.

Many of the designers celebrated at Epic the day he left.


I mean, that's an easily disproved rumor fueled solely by people that take things too personally and hate a guy for making games for the wrong platform.

When he quit Epic, so did most of the designers. And, incidentally, a large chunk of them went to work for Boss Key.

Kind of hard to say that he was a terrible alcoholic leader no one wanted to work for when so many followed him out the door to a new company...
 
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News Comments > Op Ed
37. Re: Op Ed Sep 14, 2017, 15:01 Beamer
 
Quboid wrote on Sep 14, 2017, 12:25:
Beamer wrote on Sep 14, 2017, 11:32:
As Mashiki noted, there are places on the planet where being white is the best way to get yourself killed/raped/robbed/abducted,

Ok, name them, then tell me what they have to do with America, where this discussion is taking place, where most of PDPs fanbase is, and where nearly all of his sponsors are.

That's such a weird argument. How utterly out of your depth do you have to be to think that pointing out minorities being discriminated against is a bad thing disproves the argument that minorities being discriminated against is a bad thing. That pointing out that different races being equally scummy disproves that different races are equal.

Ultimately, though, I don't think either of us were making that argument. It was just an argument about whether a white American can know what life is like as a non-white American.

The argument that there are small pockets of the world in which being a white person is considered a bad thing doesn't really change anything for Americans and their experiences.
 
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News Comments > Op Ed
36. Re: Op Ed Sep 14, 2017, 14:59 Beamer
 
RedEye9 wrote on Sep 14, 2017, 12:23:
i see what you did there

I screwed up my quotes, is what I did.

I also failed to mock him for quoting Tool. In 2017.
 
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News Comments > Op Ed
33. Re: Op Ed Sep 14, 2017, 11:32 Beamer
 
Asmodai wrote on Sep 14, 2017, 10:00:
Talk about your arrogant, holier than thou, virtue signalling trash.

Uh... right back at you?

As Mashiki noted, there are places on the planet where being white is the best way to get yourself killed/raped/robbed/abducted,

Ok, name them, then tell me what they have to do with America, where this discussion is taking place, where most of PDPs fanbase is, and where nearly all of his sponsors are.

Then we'll list out all the places where it happens if you aren't white, and see which list is longer.

where the worst you had to deal with is bad words that hurt your 5 year old sensibilities,

Except the issue with that word is that it isn't just a word, there's an entire history and institutional basis behind it.

I mean, if words are just words, then me calling you racist wouldn't be a big deal, but I'm assuming it would trigger you if I did, and send you on a lengthy rant about SJWs and libtards and... wait, you already are doing that. For the record, I'm not calling you that, but I'd wager someone has, and it didn't go over well, despite being "just a word."


please refrain from weighing in to subjects you have no fucking idea about while the adults who have ventured beyond their mother's skirts are speaking...

Uh... ok? Not sure why you think you've got the mature opinion here when it's "white people die in Antarctica, occasionally, and words are just words!"

I don't give a fuck about PDP, people can crucify him as much as the like over this. What I do care about is that the worth of your, my, anyone's experiences are nothing compared to the colour of the skins we wear in the eyes of certain outrage peddlers around here.

Over 90% of the people here are from the US. Those that aren't are almost entirely from Canada, the UK, and Australia. I'm sure it's been really hard for all the straight white guys here to be straight white guys.

If the first response to an opinion is "Lemme guess, your white", or someone tries to shut down debate by saying that whatever they are thinking is obviously undeniable, the in all likelihood you're the problem, not the cure.

Certain opinions are founded on ignorance. Sorry, trying to understand what life is like for a non-straight, non-white, non-male in America is nearly impossible for a straight white male American. I'm one of those. Took me a very long time, and a lot of, y'know, leaving my mother's skirt (and her basement) and leaving my shelter, to realize that. I've been fortunate enough to have been moved around a ton for work. I lived in one of the poorest inner cities doing criminal law work, and have since lived in rural areas, massive cities, and am currently in one of the top 10 most expensive zip codes. I've seen more of this country than most.

But keep getting your opinions from YouTube. I'm sure there are plenty of Sargon videos in your queue, too.

This comment was edited on Sep 14, 2017, 14:59.
 
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News Comments > Morning Interviews
3. Re: Morning Interviews Sep 14, 2017, 11:23 Beamer
 
LawBreakers has an edgy, R-rated tone, you might say, while Overwatch is more colorful and lighthearted

I think that's the issue more than anything - art direction. Art design is hard. People like edgy and R rated, but it needs to also be fun and appealing. Overwatch's art design is huge and colorful and massively appealing.

LawBreakers? Ugly and generic. I remember thinking UT was kind of generic, but it was massively fun, and only kind of generic. Later UTs... remember the clown? LawBreakers reminds me entirely of that clown - way too unappealing to want to play, and a somewhat dull and generic idea of what "edgy is."

The game is getting positive reviews and fan buzz of the actual gameplay was pretty good, but I really think this is a case of the art direction dooming it. It may not be the same game as Overwatch, but it's similar enough and fighting for the same customer and Overwatch is just a monstrously polished Pixar movie about killing each other.
 
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News Comments > Op Ed
25. Re: Op Ed Sep 14, 2017, 02:35 Beamer
 
Quboid wrote on Sep 14, 2017, 01:41:
Beamer wrote on Sep 13, 2017, 22:57:
NamecaF wrote on Sep 13, 2017, 22:30:
Squirmer wrote on Sep 13, 2017, 19:07:
I think he's implying that if you're a white guy you really don't have the same perspective on someone throwing around racist insults. Stow that reverse racism bullshit.

Fuck you, that is the definition of racism right there. You're judging someone based on the colour of their skin.

I mean, there are some things white people can never experience, though, and therefore never have a strong understanding of.

Much like how I won't tell you what your childhood was like, and what it's like to grow up with your parents. I didn't do it.

Some people take it too far. I've run into the attitude that a white person shouldn't disagree with a black person about race, or a man shouldn't disagree with a woman about sexism, and so on. That's nonsense; self-serving contradictions that are based on prejudice, not judging the argument on its own merits. I assume that's what eRe4s3r was referring to and again, not what I meant.

I wasn't talking about different experiences either, not as such. More like different realities, since DangerDog has shown he will flat out refuse to accept the undeniable when it challenges him - and that probably includes identity politics.

Gotcha, and agreed.

As for the people here that refuse to accept the undeniable when it challenges them, particularly in identity politics, I'll fall back to the cliché loosely related to what we were discussing and point out that it's incredibly unlikely that their identity has ever been subject to politics.
 
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News Comments > Op Ed
20. Re: Op Ed Sep 13, 2017, 22:57 Beamer
 
NamecaF wrote on Sep 13, 2017, 22:30:
Squirmer wrote on Sep 13, 2017, 19:07:
I think he's implying that if you're a white guy you really don't have the same perspective on someone throwing around racist insults. Stow that reverse racism bullshit.

Fuck you, that is the definition of racism right there. You're judging someone based on the colour of their skin.

I mean, there are some things white people can never experience, though, and therefore never have a strong understanding of.

Much like how I won't tell you what your childhood was like, and what it's like to grow up with your parents. I didn't do it.
 
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News Comments > Op Ed
9. Re: Op Ed Sep 13, 2017, 19:26 Beamer
 
jdreyer wrote on Sep 13, 2017, 19:22:
The thing is that PDP is so popular that he doesn't need this "edgy" content to get views. It's totally unnecessary. So I'm thinking that he is just attention whoring.

I don't think any of this is planned. I think it's who he is. I think he hates this additional attention. I also think he's incapable of realizing it's tied directly to his salary and who's paying it.
 
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News Comments > Star Wars Battlefront Season Pass for Free
21. Re: Star Wars Battlefront Season Pass for Free Sep 13, 2017, 19:25 Beamer
 
jdreyer wrote on Sep 13, 2017, 17:18:
Beamer wrote on Sep 13, 2017, 15:25:
Darth Binky wrote on Sep 13, 2017, 10:43:
Yes, it does.

Man, I really wanted to love this game. But it just didn't have the fun factor from the Battlefield games (for me, anyway). Here's hoping they right the ship with the sequel.

I mean, that's why it's a BattleFRONT, not a BattleFIELD, right?
I dunno, Beam. The game could have benefited from some Battlefield-type complexity.

Up front, I've never played a Battlefront, and I've never enjoyed a Battlefield (doing solely 1942, then beta testing another, I think Battlefield 2.)

That said, I agree. From everything I've read, this could have been more complex. It seems like LucasArts and EA were pushing for as many users as possible, but the overlap between gamers and Star Wars fans lies deep, and they could have made a game that appealed to slightly fewer people but to those people much more, as making it less complex didn't really increase the audience range.

Still, though, it says BattleFront. People should have known what they were getting.
 
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