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News Comments > Morning Metaverse
25. Re: Morning Metaverse Feb 21, 2018, 18:56 Beamer
 
I know I've blamed the consumer some here. I don't mean to do that exclusively. As you mentioned, in 2 years (more like 5-10, ha!), McDonald's will realize no one is left to eat their food. Thing is, the CEO will likely already have moved on - that's someone else's problem. His job was to drive results while he was there, and he did. Let the next guy worry about it. He can't worry, he'll lose his job if he does!

It all comes down to them, true, but it's all just a cycle of everyone making mistakes, and those mistakes compounding. Any chance we'd have of actually breaking those mistakes ends with the top 0.1% lobbying against stuff (and there's where I think it is not a cycle and just assholes being assholes without realizing what monstrous assholes they are.)

Also, a red REMOVED of shame! I knew I shouldn't have quoted. For the record, all I did was say I wasn't trolling, I was discussing and didn't think Creston found it antagonizing, and his desire to see me dead was classy. Apologies, Blue. I knew better.
 
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19. Re: Morning Metaverse Feb 21, 2018, 17:08 Beamer
 
The only ones who can stop it is the ones who are implementing it. Ie, the corporations. They need to wake up to the fact that they're going to flat-out kill a large chunk of their customer base. But I guess most of them just shrug and go "The rich will just buy more of our product."

Not quite. Let's say McDonald's and Burger King decide to automate fully. They reduce their stores to 1 employee, and have the orders taken by tablets and cooked by robots. If an average store is open 18 hours a day, has 5 employees in at any given time, pays those employees $10 an hour including all the costs around them, and the chain has 7,000 locations in the US... they would save over $6M a day doing this. That's $2.3B per year.
Now what happens to Wendy's? McDonald's and Burger King are flush with cash. They can out innovate. They can out market. If they want, they can start a price war. Wendy's can either adapt or die. By choosing not to do what the others are doing, by taking a stand, it just puts itself out of business.

It doesn't fully work because those are franchisees, etc., but economies are global now. "Buy American" has never been a big draw - people flock to H&M and Zara for cheap prices and fast fashion, abandoning companies that manufacture in the US (made in America works on small scale, but not large. Hell, try to find 3 shoe companies you can buy in a mall that make more than 30% of their products in the country. But you can find boutiques that have it.) Americans gleefully kept going to Walmart for cheap prices, even as the company forced the destruction of American manufacturing companies like Huffy and Tupperware. If a Chinese company fully automates, and a US one doesn't, which will Walmart stock? Which will people buy? (Fun fact: wages in China are starting to hit the point that automation makes sense, which is part of why manufacturing is growing in cheaper countries like Thailand.)

The whole thing becomes like the metaphor of the frog in the pot. Americans will keep flocking to lower priced options because they think it won't happen to them, and when it does happen to them it's too late. It went beyond the point of no return before they realized anything was happening. In general, we're awful at voting with our dollars and just go after the best price.


One thing that always bugs me about the "should we have stuck with blacksmiths then?!" argument, though, is that that argument doesn't scale. We are talking, world wide, about something like half a BILLION people losing their jobs. Not the occasional blacksmith / elevator attendant / whatever here and there. We're talking, for the first time ever, of such a massive change in automation capacity that it will literally change everything.

I agree. The purpose of my questions was not to have you give a qualitative argument against it, but to actually try to create a definition for what would and would not be legal, if you thought the government should step in.

The stock market was the worst thing we ever invented. One thing that makes me chuckle though is that Wall Street is driving incessantly towards the one thing that will put a large chunk of them out of business as well. But they've stolen enough money to be able to retire. No tree-bark soup for them.

It had serious benefits, and still has some, but in the early 80s it just broke. For a lot of reasons, we can't blame Reagan for many of them, but there's no coincidence things went insane under his watch.


I think the biggest culprit is the stock market. This need to just grow grow grow grow grow grow grow grow grow. Nothing can grow indefinitely, but Wall Street seems to think that not only CAN it, but it SHOULD grow indefinitely.

In the old days, stead was important. Dividends. Then came computers and spreadsheets. Suddenly, we could analyze data so quickly and so easily, and get a ridiculous level of precision. Expectations changed because we could monitor so much better. We could create crazy levered deals, or ridiculous packaged financial instruments, in both cases things hardly understood that have led to downfalls of companies and the economy. We knew more so we expected more. The stock market was around for decades before the Jack Welch style of expecting a CEO to call his earnings to the penny, and penalizing him for being wrong either way, came around, and that stuff is ridiculous.

Plus, all this easy analysis meant that fewer employees could do more. They could be measured more accurately. Expectations rose. Hours rose. Pressure rose. Then came the internet, and now hours never, ever end. Watch an episode of Marvelous Mrs. Maizel (do it!) or Mad Men (meh, only watched one) and be amazed at the desks with no computers, where people don't spend hours polishing spreadsheets and powerpoint decks, where when they leave at 5 or 6 and go home they're home and just home.

We've already fucked ourselves.
 
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News Comments > Morning Metaverse
17. Re: Morning Metaverse Feb 21, 2018, 16:25 Beamer
 


Why are we headed to it?
Who can stop it. Honest question: who can stop it? How do you even write legislation for it. Were robots in Detroit factories a bad thing? How about vending machines in buildings that used to have newspaper stands? How about buttons in an elevator instead of an elevator man? How about phone menu systems instead of a secretary? Or Outlook calendars instead of secretaries?

I'm not trying to be a dick here. I'm just saying it's really, really hard to define a clear line, and legislation fails hard without a clear line.

And it's easy to say greed, but the people making these decisions aren't often greedy as individuals, it's a whole cycle of greed. Wall Street demands growth in both revenue and profit margin. Margin is really hard to increase after a certain point, with G&A being the area CEOs have the most control over. If they fail, the stock underperforms and they're fired. So they do what it takes to make sure Wall Street is happy. The analysts on Wall Street are making sure their clients get the best return, otherwise they'll be fired. Their clients may be the people being squeezed by the corporations, so they need growth to be as high as possible to think they have any chance of retirement.

It's an entire broken financial culture. The biggest culprit is probably spreadsheets, frankly, or at least computers. Computers which, of course, led to the firing of entire departments of corporations whose jobs used to be to solve analyses by hand.
 
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News Comments > Morning Metaverse
15. Re: Morning Metaverse Feb 21, 2018, 16:14 Beamer
 
Tipsy McStagger wrote on Feb 21, 2018, 15:43:
MoreLuckThanSkill wrote on Feb 21, 2018, 13:38:
Orogogus wrote on Feb 21, 2018, 13:31:
What's the math on that? The US population is about 330 million, x $2000 = $660 billion, and Wikipedia says the 2015 US budget was $3.8 trillion. And that's counting men, women and children for the population side, not households or families.

$2000 per month, so your $660 billion x 12 = 7.92 trillion a year. Obviously there would still be some people working, and some people would be children, etc. but you get the idea.

You forget that's based off current tax laws.

Automation will kill jobs, which kills taxation income. A new form of taxation would have to be addressed which would tax businesses an insane amount of money. It CAN work, but it is going to be crazy complex.

Taxing businesses insane amounts doesn't work. It just gives them incentive to avoid the US. The HQ may still be here, but it creates incentive to hold money overseas and create new jobs overseas that could be done here.

But that money passes through, and will pass through to someone. If Amazon were to go 100% automated, the revenue would still pass through to Jeff Bezos (well, I can poke holes in that due to Bezos already being rich, but it holds wonderfully for smaller companies with multiple officers; for simplicity I'm holding with one company and one man.) Tax that income. The wealthy won't move themselves overseas, but they will move everything and everyone else.
 
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News Comments > Morning Mobilization
6. Re: SIM cards Feb 21, 2018, 14:13 Beamer
 
Most keyboards swype these days. I highly recommend SwiftKey.  
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News Comments > Morning Metaverse
13. Re: Morning Metaverse Feb 21, 2018, 14:11 Beamer
 
MoreLuckThanSkill wrote on Feb 21, 2018, 13:38:
Orogogus wrote on Feb 21, 2018, 13:31:
What's the math on that? The US population is about 330 million, x $2000 = $660 billion, and Wikipedia says the 2015 US budget was $3.8 trillion. And that's counting men, women and children for the population side, not households or families.

$2000 per month, so your $660 billion x 12 = 7.92 trillion a year. Obviously there would still be some people working, and some people would be children, etc. but you get the idea.

The top 0.1% hold as much wealth as the bottom 90%. The top 0.1% earns 10% of the total income (for reference, the top 1% earns 20% so the top 0.1% earns half of what the top 1% earns, that's how wealthy they are.) The bottom 50% earns 10%, so functionally, the top 0.1% earns as much as the bottom 50%.

But yeah, even if you take every single dollar the top 0.1% earned and redistribute it to every single American Household, that's only $8,000 each (and who could advocate to take the entirety of the income?)
 
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News Comments > Morning Metaverse
8. Re: Morning Metaverse Feb 21, 2018, 13:21 Beamer
 
Creston wrote on Feb 21, 2018, 13:12:
Beamer wrote on Feb 21, 2018, 12:50:
Did you read the article? He wants a tax increase on the 1% to fund a $500 per month stipend for everyone earning under $50,000.

Yeah, I edited it pretty quickly, but not quick enough.

Not sure how what he said got your ire. Because of automation? He has no say in that, and is just warning that it's coming and we better prepare ourselves. He's not involved in Facebook.

Not anymore anyway, but his idea is still fucking stupid. I love this general belief that when automation takes away a large chunk of the jobs, people will just "get part-time jobs". As if there are 200 million part-time jobs just waiting to be filled by all the displaced FT employees.

So which tiny subset of people making less than $50K is going to be helped by the massive $500 a month? People who have no income can't do jack shit with $500 a month. That's a rent check and a utilities bill. Boom, gone. Food? Fuck you, eat bark soup. But hey, if you make $44K with your six part time jobs that are going to be there for the taking, sweet, we found someone for whom $500 would help.

If UBI is to work, the amount would need to probably something along the lines of 2000-3000 dollars a month for the average family. The cost of that would bankrupt anything and anyone trying to bear it. A $2000 UBI would cost four times the current US budget.

And even then, people on the $2000 UBI would have barely enough money to pay for food, housing, clothes and other basic amenities. All these companies currently producing luxury goods that are getting hard at the thought of automating the shit out of everything, well, I hope they enjoy losing 95% of their customer base.


I could debate this with you for hours. Debate sounds a bit more antagonistic than I mean, but just spitball where we're headed and what we can do about it.

We're headed to this, anyway. Importantly, the price of little is going down. No restaurant is going to replace its cashiers with tablets and then cut the price of burgers. Even if it does, it'd be cents being cut out, which isn't overly meaningful. And that's just on the blue collar side. AI is going to put six and seven figure traders out of business in the next 5 years. Other digital markets, like programmatic advertising, will probably do that, too. People in supply chain for retailers are already being phased out by algorithms, and lots of buyer roles will follow.

The only jobs that will be safe are artistic jobs and true manual labor (though CES did have that robot that folds clothing.)

But money will still be made, for a time. We either move towards a country where Jeff Bezos owns everything, and nothing is worth anything and our GDP plummets because no one can afford anything, or we start taking from those who are reaping the benefits of automation and give to those who are losing from automation.

As an aside, if anyone here has read the Red Rising trilogy (which I recommend, it has the dumbest opening line of any book, and the first feels so much like a Hunger Games ripoff, but turns into a fantastic male power fantasy), they allude to the fact that robots are banned in that year 3000 or whatever future, because people knew this would happen. The first book of a second trilogy came out, and due to the revolution of the first trilogy robots are now legal, and there are definite hints of how it's destroying the economy in that book. I'd expect it to be a plot point in the 2nd or 3rd.
 
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News Comments > Morning Metaverse
5. Re: Morning Metaverse Feb 21, 2018, 12:52 Beamer
 
Creston wrote on Feb 21, 2018, 12:50:
MoreLuckThanSkill wrote on Feb 21, 2018, 11:40:
That said, he isn't wrong that technology is going to force most jobs out of existence in countries like the US.

I wonder how he imagines people will still be on Facebook in a time when nobody has money for food anymore. Oh wait, HE will still have food and facebook, so fuck everybody else.

America's motto is no longer the land of the free and the home of the brave. It's "I got mine. Fuck you."

Did you read the article? He wants a tax increase on the 1% to fund a $500 per month stipend for everyone earning under $50,000.
Not sure how what he said got your ire. Because of automation? He has no say in that, and is just warning that it's coming and we better prepare ourselves. He's not involved in Facebook.
 
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News Comments > etc.
6. Re: etc. Feb 21, 2018, 09:47 Beamer
 
MoreLuckThanSkill wrote on Feb 20, 2018, 22:21:
This game seems interesting, but is leveling basically:

A) do a task, earn experience, SPEND it on skills, or

B) use a skill, incrementally increase that skill.

Both systems have been done before in other games, but I really, really prefer A these days, instead of hitting stuff with a sword 10,000 times to improve it a few levels.

Either way, it's on my Gog sale list, so I'll get it eventually, after a few patches.

By the way, if you haven't already played it, The Division is possibly the most fun I've had in an ARPG in quite some time, especially coop. Definitely pick it up on sale!

I have weirdly fond memories of putting my character under a low bridge in Oblivion, flipping to a tv show, pressing A to jump for an hour, then coming back and having a character that could leap like Superman.

On one hand, that's maybe hypocritical. San Andreas had you use skills to be able to run longer, which I despised because it had people going to a virtual gym and running so that they could run longer. That seemed like an awful use of video game time. On the other hand, I really hated in Skyrim that I couldn't amuse myself while going from point A to point B by jumping and changing direction 4 or 5 times before landing.
 
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News Comments > Out of the Blue
18. Re: Non-Political Observations Feb 21, 2018, 07:00 Beamer
 
Kxmode wrote on Feb 20, 2018, 22:58:
Arrogant - Having or revealing an exaggerated sense of one's importance or abilities.

Narcissistic - Having an excessive or erotic interest in oneself and one's physical appearance.

Sociopath - A person with a personality disorder that manifests itself in extreme antisocial attitudes and behavior and a weak or lack of conscience. A sociopath lacks empathy, or the ability to stand in someone else’s shoes and understand how they feel.

Donald Trump is an arrogant, narcissistic, sociopath. He lacks empathy for anyone but himself as is shown continuously. I want to say the man is a psychopath (his weapon of choice are words, and he wields them with no regrets or remorse), but I don't know if he lacks a functioning conscience. What I do know is that the way in which he talks and expresses himself, including his hour's long tirades on social media, are the symptoms of a man suffering from full-blown sociopathic behavior. Perhaps "suffering" is the wrong word. It would appear he relishes in his power and authority. All I know is he is the most powerful man on the planet. History is rife with people with mental illnesses who have received positions of power. In virtually every situation it never turned out well.

Welcome to the political party, pal.
 
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News Comments > Out of the Blue
16. Re: Out of the Blue Feb 20, 2018, 22:38 Beamer
 
Cutter wrote on Feb 20, 2018, 20:09:
And as always the no-life, no-account, loser trolls here have to chime in because hey, trolls have to troll. Why bother living if they can't troll? Never anything to add, never anything to say, just trolling to cause trouble. What sad little pathetic specks of fly shit you are. When you're dead, and everyone everywhere hopes that's very much sooner than later, the world will be a better place for it.

At least idiots like Nucas are legitimate, if misguided, brainwashed, and stupid, but they're not trolls like you basment dwellers. Christ, you're parents so need to kick you out of the house and into the real world. A stint in the military would be good for you but there's no way you gross piggies could ever hack it.

Can a man with 27,000 posts here call others "no life?"
Can a man who lives alone in his 50s?
 
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News Comments > Out of the Blue
11. Re: Out of the Blue Feb 20, 2018, 17:34 Beamer
 
DarkV wrote on Feb 20, 2018, 17:02:
Cutter wrote on Feb 20, 2018, 15:22:
I couldn't remember for the longest time but now it just hit me. Demolition Man! That's the snowflake world little SJWs like Nucas are hoping for. A world that appears on the surface to be free and fair but is really just another totalitarian state where free thought and expression are illegal. Where bad language gets you fined and dirty thoughts get you sent to a "re-education" camp, and sex is completely virtual, and no one ever eats anything bad for them. Holy shit, I don't know who wrote Demolition Man but they were way ahead of the curve.

Cutter, I'd love to show you the Schwarzenegger Presidential Library and then we'll do some fine dining at Taco Bell. Afterwards we can use the three seashells as we sing "I'm an Oscar Myer wiener".

PS..Surprised you didn't give the Edger Friendly speech...."See, according to Cocteau's plan, I'm the enemy. Cause I like to think, I like to read. I'm into freedom of speech and freedom of choice. I'm the kind of guy who wants to sit in a greasy spoon and think, "Gee, should I have the T-bone steak or the jumbo rack of barbecued ribs with the side order of gravy fries?" I want high cholesterol. I want to eat bacon, butter and buckets of cheese, okay? I want to smoke a Cuban cigar the size of Cincinnati in a non-smoking section. I wanna run through the streets naked with green Jello all over my body reading Playboy magazine. Why? Because I suddenly might feel the need to. Okay, pal? I've seen the future, you know what it is? It's a 47-year-old virgin sittin' around in his beige pajamas, drinking a banana-broccoli shake singing "I'm an Oscar-Meyer Wiener". You wanna live on top, you gotta live Cocteau's way. What he wants, when he wants, how he wants. Your other choice: come down here, maybe starve to death."

Man, times have changed. These days, with the group younger than here so present company excluded, the people giving Dennis Leary's monologue are the basement-dwelling incels. The ones who are eating up Milo Yiannopoulis and getting all their news from 4chan and YouTube. The ones who don't realize that while life is fair for no one, it's less fair for others, and therefore you should try to minimize that harm around you.

The ones who do realize that are the ones leading the healthy social lives.
 
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7. Re: Out of the Blue Feb 20, 2018, 15:24 Beamer
 
Cutter wrote on Feb 20, 2018, 15:22:
I couldn't remember for the longest time but now it just hit me. Demolition Man! That's the snowflake world little SJWs like Nucas are hoping for. A world that appears on the surface to be free and fair but is really just another totalitarian state where free thought and expression are illegal. Where bad language gets you fined and dirty thoughts get you sent to a "re-education" camp, and sex is completely virtual, and no one ever eats anything bad for them. Holy shit, I don't know who wrote Demolition Man but they were way ahead of the curve.

Yes. Exactly. You exposed their nefarious plans.
It's especially entertaining as no one gets worked up over minor things than you, the difference being that people like Nucas care about others and you only pipe up about something when it has potential to make your day slightly worse. Otherwise, you think everyone is an awful complainer that needs to shut up. But if it's an issue that may make Cutter's life 0.001% worse, holy shit, he calls everyone an evil fraud!
 
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14. Re: Morning Interviews Feb 20, 2018, 14:00 Beamer
 
Leper wrote on Feb 20, 2018, 12:39:
I stumbled upon "Movie Nation" because I was curious to find out if ANYONE was willing to give Black Panther a bad review. I haven't seen it yet, but I have read a number of positive reviews for Panther and they all irritated me in exactly the same way--they seem to be reviewing what the film represents, what it stands for, more than they are reviewing it as a, you know, movie.

Nobody (except maybe some racists) wanted to see Black Panther flop. If that meant critics needed to be more forgiving with their reviews, then that's probably what they did. To be fair most critics are just saying they recommend the movie, not that it's the best movie of the year or anything. Personally, it looks a lot like every other MCU movie to me, which means I'll wait for the home viewing experience.

I've also been reading some articles that are championing Get Out for Best Picture. I watched that over the weekend and, although I thought it was entertaining and fairly unique, it didn't exactly scream Best Picture of the entire year. Just because a movie has cultural impact, doesn't mean it is the best movie overall due to writing, acting, directing, music, etc.

Get Out was fun till the end, when, like nearly every horror movie, it became nearly every horror movie.

But audiences reacted to it in a certain way because of what it represented. That doesn't make it best picture, but makes it a pretty noteworthy one.
 
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8. Re: Into the Black Feb 20, 2018, 13:59 Beamer
 
Kxmode wrote on Feb 20, 2018, 12:50:
Beamer wrote on Feb 19, 2018, 22:46:
Kxmode wrote on Feb 19, 2018, 20:27:
The media turned Get Out and Black Panther's successes into some sort of racial victory. Frankly, the majority watching these films literally didn't care about race. All they want is a good story, good character development, and good special effects (when appropriate). That's it. Everything else is nonsense.

13%, at least, really, really fucking cared about something else.

Also, it's hard to tell if the movie will have those things, and Black Panther's special effects were terrible. People didn't make it the biggest February movie of all time because they felt it would have a good story and good character development. Do you think people expected it to be a better story and better character development than Guardians of the Galaxy 2? Than Captain America: Civil War? Because it blew their opening weekends out of the water.

Dr. Strange was another new, weird Marvel property that recently opened. Black Panther has already made more, in 5 days, than it did in its entire run.

What do you think caused that?

The movie had excellent marketing behind it that pulled in the initial crowds, then word of mouth pulled in more. Also, it's a Marvel film in February. What else is there to watch in February? Exactly. Nothing.


So why did it blow every Marvel movie other than The Avengers away? What was that excellent marketing that 3 Iron Mans, 3 Captain Americas, 1 Avengers, 2 Guardian of the Galaxies, 3 Thors, 1 Dr. Strange, and a Spider-Man didn't have?

What's the thing that separated it? Maybe the thing you're claiming wasn't important?
 
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4. Re: Out of the Blue Feb 20, 2018, 13:55 Beamer
 
Nucas wrote on Feb 20, 2018, 13:53:
Cutter wrote on Feb 20, 2018, 12:33:
Gee, how did I know that PC Lamer article was going to be a snowflake rant against hot chicks in fantasy armor? Rolleyes

most of the entries were dudes. but, yes, this kind of shit is genuinely embarrassing and i'm glad the grown-ups are able to engage with this kind of commentary without feeling threatened; but probably nobody is expecting that from you.

Hey, this is the closest he's come to actually reading an article he's commented on, even if he took away something ridiculous.
 
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4. Re: Into the Black Feb 19, 2018, 22:46 Beamer
 
Kxmode wrote on Feb 19, 2018, 20:27:
The media turned Get Out and Black Panther's successes into some sort of racial victory. Frankly, the majority watching these films literally didn't care about race. All they want is a good story, good character development, and good special effects (when appropriate). That's it. Everything else is nonsense.

13%, at least, really, really fucking cared about something else.

Also, it's hard to tell if the movie will have those things, and Black Panther's special effects were terrible. People didn't make it the biggest February movie of all time because they felt it would have a good story and good character development. Do you think people expected it to be a better story and better character development than Guardians of the Galaxy 2? Than Captain America: Civil War? Because it blew their opening weekends out of the water.

Dr. Strange was another new, weird Marvel property that recently opened. Black Panther has already made more, in 5 days, than it did in its entire run.

What do you think caused that?
 
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20. Re: Out of the Blue Feb 19, 2018, 22:43 Beamer
 
HoSpanky wrote on Feb 19, 2018, 22:18:
Mr. Tact wrote on Feb 19, 2018, 20:42:
RedEye9 wrote on Feb 19, 2018, 19:57:
Thanks, I had used Cinemascore in the past and lost track of that site.
Never heard of the site before -- half a dozen movies later, I don't think I'll be using the service...

Despicable Me got an "A". That movie was so un-funny my wife walked away from the tv about 15 minutes in.

Were you the target audience? That's part of what they capture. Movies that do well tend to really play to the people that want to see that kind of movie. Movies that really fail are either utter abominations of movies very misleadingly marketed (i.e., trailers made it look like an all-out action or comedy, but it's really a dreary and somber film. Mother! was a recent F, for not being what people expected. Driver was fairly low, too.)

For me, Despicable Me was kind of crappy with a few good jokes. But it's DreamWorks, I know what I'm getting, and I know to avoid opening weekend.
 
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mag wrote on Feb 19, 2018, 18:17:
Bard wrote on Feb 19, 2018, 15:52:
wikileaks data, which has a track record of 100% correct 100% of the time

Oh for fucks' sake.

100% excluding any information damaging to Russia, 100% of the time.
 
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