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News Comments > ESA Rebukes President Trump
142. Re: ESA Rebukes President Trump Jan 12, 2018, 19:26 Beamer
 
Asmodai wrote on Jan 12, 2018, 18:55:
Beamer wrote on Jan 12, 2018, 12:06:
Timmeh wrote on Jan 12, 2018, 11:20:
Also..

America is not built on "diversity" that is a modern bunch of garbage leftists created to undermine the country like morons.

America is built on individuality and the freedom to be who and what you want to be based on your drive and tenacity. The diversity these leftist POS's throw around doesn't even mean close to the same thing.

another thing...

We should be working to import the best and the brightest even from a shithole country. not the lowest common denominator in order to line the voting tallies of the socialist democraps.


I repeatedly get the impression you're not exactly the most successful poster here.

Lol, if that's the bar for being right, it's pretty fucking low...

So the option is kowtow to the accepted opinion or freely express your own opinions despite the fact that it might make you unpopular with those that believe they have the moral high ground? For anyone with integrity, there is no choice.

What's braver, following the company line or speaking out? Pro tip Beamer, insulting people for their beliefs and opinions didn't work at the last election and isn't likely to work at the next... If the regressive left (and yeah, imo you qualify) isn't willing to live it's principles of diversity ie. accept diversity of thought, they will continue to alienate the centrists that, by virtue(signal) of people getting further to the left, actually look right wing... Swing voters who might actually toss out the Trump are being shooed away because they aren't as extreme as you want them to be.

Trump is completely unsuited to being the POTUS, but he's not wrong. These countries are shitholes, and the only people adding a racial element are the left. Would you want to live there? If the worst place in the US is better than the country of origin, it's a shithole... And imo it's refreshing to hear a politician actually express an opinion rather than indulge in political weasel words.

I do, however, notice that few people hesitate when pointing the finger and screaming bigot, racist, homophobe, misogynist, nazi... Yeah, you could make the point that the POTUS should be above that, but that hasn't really worked to date. Doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results?

ps. Funny how few ever consider that the best and brightest who flee their home countries are likely the ones actually needed to pull those countries out of the holes they are in. Immigration gives people a chance of a better life, but it also skims the cream of the crop. The old 'cruel to be kind' adage applies here, these are the people that could usher in a new age for their nations. If they had assistance dismantling dictatorships and corrupt governments, they might actually manage to pull their country in to the 21st century.


These are wild tangents.
No one said that Haiti is a fantastically governed country. But this is the President. The leader of the free world. He needs to have tact. Some of his own citizens are from these countries, and he's sending what message to them?

You're also ignoring a very clear pattern of saying such things about non-white countries from our President.

And lastly, with Timmeh, I was taking offense to him saying that you can be what you want in America based on drive and tenacity. If this is true, does Timmeh lack the drive to be successful, or the tenacity?
Or is it all far, far more complicated than people like him try to make it out to be?
 
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News Comments > ESA Rebukes President Trump
131. Re: ESA Rebukes President Trump Jan 12, 2018, 18:50 Beamer
 
Jeraxle wrote on Jan 12, 2018, 18:34:
jdreyer wrote on Jan 12, 2018, 18:07:

I've posted this here before. Fox is untrue about 60% of the time compared to 20% for CNN.. Cable news sucks in general, but CNN is not that bad as these things go.

This is the problem with most discourse on the internet. Not picking a fight, just pointing out a fact. You linked to a horribly left leaning, democrat funded website and use that as your basis of "fact" without taking into consideration the source.

Of course Politifact is going to say that the right leaning news organization is wrong most of the time. It's called control.

Again, sources. Where are your sources that Politifact is "democrat funded?"
Please cite a source that isn't very clearly biased, such as The Blaze.
 
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News Comments > ESA Rebukes President Trump
125. Re: I watched more DOOM videos (not all of them [TL;DW]), with a guy's commentaries, from YouTube... Jan 12, 2018, 17:59 Beamer
 
Darks wrote on Jan 12, 2018, 17:58:
Beamer wrote on Jan 12, 2018, 17:24:
Darks wrote on Jan 12, 2018, 17:18:
Beamer wrote on Jan 12, 2018, 17:13:
StingingVelvet wrote on Jan 12, 2018, 17:10:
Wowbagger_TIP wrote on Jan 12, 2018, 16:55:
Cutter wrote on Jan 12, 2018, 15:29:
Well the reality is if all those people from all those countries come here than it's going to be just as shitty here.

How does that follow at all? Immigrants come here all the time and make decent lives for themselves. They go to school, get jobs, raise families. Why does them coming from a war-torn place mean that suddenly the US will be a worse place for having them here?

Because there's only so many resources and jobs to go around. This reminds me of the movie Elysium where they show the ruined Earth and the paradise space station. Spoilers, the good guys win and the end shows poor Earth people flooding into the paradise... but the first thing that has to pop into any rational mind is "well it won't be paradise for long."

Not saying the U.S. is paradise by any means, but the point is it's not like the solution to the problems countries like Haiti face is to just move everyone living there to the U.S. That's a terrible simplistic notion. The better avenue is to use our wealth to help those people in their communities make changes for the better.

P.S. What Trump said was terrible from a political standpoint, which is his usual "problem." Though I put problem in quotes because his no bullshit speaking style is exactly what his core base love him for.

Again, people thought this about the Irish and the Italians. American survived. Prospered, even. Often, immigrants are hungrier than us, because they've seen how bad it can get.

And again, they're generally taking the lowest paying, least skilled jobs available. Who wants to be a migrant farmer? Certainly no Americans.

Beamer, you so far off base on this its not even funny. That used to be the case. The world has changed and so has America. your talking about migrants from south america. most of us are talking about the fucking trash coming from the middle east thats fucking everything up. Big Difference!!!

Again, sounds like what people said about the Irish and Italians.

What did they fuck up? And do you know any personally? Do you work with them?

You are so fucking delusional!!!

You haven't told us what they fuck up.
I love how people, when asked for an example, can't provide one.
 
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News Comments > ESA Rebukes President Trump
122. Re: ESA Rebukes President Trump Jan 12, 2018, 17:55 Beamer
 
jdreyer wrote on Jan 12, 2018, 17:54:
Zoom wrote on Jan 12, 2018, 13:17:
ZeroPike1 wrote on Jan 12, 2018, 12:56:
Also I like the Norway thing. Norway is like one of the best countries to live in. They would need massive incentive to go to give that up and go to the US. So Trump might tout that idea as getting better people. But the better people know better then to immigrate to the US already.
What's funnier is Trump and his supporters will cite this country as an example, even though it's one of the most socialist countries in Europe (with a very comprehensive nanny-state). And they enjoy one of the highest standards of living on Earth, i highly doubt any of them would want to emigrate to a shithole like the USA. Oh, how do you Trump supporters feel being called a shithole ?

Trump said "Norway" because he likes banging blonde chicks. It's that simple.

And because he was there the day prior, and has a 24 hour ability to remember things.
 
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News Comments > ESA Rebukes President Trump
121. Re: I watched more DOOM videos (not all of them [TL;DW]), with a guy's commentaries, from YouTube... Jan 12, 2018, 17:54 Beamer
 
StingingVelvet wrote on Jan 12, 2018, 17:45:
Beamer wrote on Jan 12, 2018, 17:13:
Again, people thought this about the Irish and the Italians. American survived. Prospered, even. Often, immigrants are hungrier than us, because they've seen how bad it can get.

And again, they're generally taking the lowest paying, least skilled jobs available. Who wants to be a migrant farmer? Certainly no Americans.

Sure, but that was a very different time for the country and world. We're switching from manufacturing to mentafacturing and losing jobs every day, we're not the country that desperately needs immigrants that we were when you're talking about. Also we let in 1,000,000 a year legally, more than any other country last time I checked, so again it's about limited resources and not just moving every poor soul into the U.S.

I'm generally a left-leaning centrist and I love America being a melting pot, I really do. However these "no borders!" arguments are really just not effective. We can't solve poverty by just moving everyone to a nicer country and calling it a day.

I don't think anyone is calling for "no border."
Though many, myself included, are calling for an easier process, for the same reason we call for legalizing marijuana. We're spending a fortune on combating something very inefficiently, we're hurting good people while making it easy for bad people to skirt the law, and throwing more money at the problem seems incredibly unlikely to do much more than waste a lot of money.
 
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News Comments > ESA Rebukes President Trump
115. Re: ESA Rebukes President Trump Jan 12, 2018, 17:41 Beamer
 
Now I'm getting banner ads here for "Is Trump Making America Great Again? Vote Now!"

Better, though, than getting two ads, right on top of each other, for Gavin McInnes, asshole White Nationalist and leader of manchildren.
 
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News Comments > ESA Rebukes President Trump
114. Re: ESA Rebukes President Trump Jan 12, 2018, 17:32 Beamer
 
HorrorScope wrote on Jan 12, 2018, 17:30:
Beamer wrote on Jan 12, 2018, 16:58:
HorrorScope wrote on Jan 12, 2018, 16:47:
Beamer wrote on Jan 12, 2018, 16:21:
Please, give us an example of "fake news" from CNN.

They were all mentioned this past Wednesday by the honorable Donald Trump, during his Fake News Awards... How could you miss it?

In fairness to Trump, he announced last week that he was holding this on 1/17, so you missed him moving them.
But I'd wager this is what the bulk of his time has been spent on, rather than any form of policy.

Thank you... it's hard getting news like this watching streams.

I didn't see that, either. I don't watch news, and I never actually read the "Fake News Awards" articles, as the headlines told you all you needed to know (given that it was sourced solely from a tweet.)

I saw you post mocking him for missing his own deadline the other day, googled it to see if you were right about the deadline, and saw he had almost immediately moved it.
 
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News Comments > ESA Rebukes President Trump
111. Re: ESA Rebukes President Trump Jan 12, 2018, 17:26 Beamer
 
DangerDog wrote on Jan 12, 2018, 17:18:
Beamer wrote on Jan 12, 2018, 16:21:
Chromius wrote on Jan 12, 2018, 16:17:
The sad thing is is how many of you believe CNN and a source of a source of a source as real news.

The brainwashing is significant in this thread.

Please, give us an example of "fake news" from CNN.
Please, just one bit of news from them that was incorrect and remains uncorrected.

've already cited, several times, our own President giving us incorrect information on Twitter, just this week. In case you didn't read it in this lengthy thread, he saIid that he didn't go to the UK because of a bad deal Obama made. Sadly for us, this was misinformation, deliberately or mistakenly, as it was Bush that made the deal.

So there, I've given you an example of Trump giving us "fake news." Your turn to back your claim. Frankly, I expect we just never see you again, like every other person we ask to show us "fake news" on CNN.


How about that time when CNN reported that Trump didn't stand a chance at being President.

You seem to struggle with fact vs opinion, as well as odds and percentages, as well as predictions.
When reporters predict who will win the Superbowl and get it wrong, do you spend the next year screaming "FAKE NEWS! FAKE NEWS!?"
 
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News Comments > ESA Rebukes President Trump
110. Re: I watched more DOOM videos (not all of them [TL;DW]), with a guy's commentaries, from YouTube... Jan 12, 2018, 17:24 Beamer
 
Darks wrote on Jan 12, 2018, 17:18:
Beamer wrote on Jan 12, 2018, 17:13:
StingingVelvet wrote on Jan 12, 2018, 17:10:
Wowbagger_TIP wrote on Jan 12, 2018, 16:55:
Cutter wrote on Jan 12, 2018, 15:29:
Well the reality is if all those people from all those countries come here than it's going to be just as shitty here.

How does that follow at all? Immigrants come here all the time and make decent lives for themselves. They go to school, get jobs, raise families. Why does them coming from a war-torn place mean that suddenly the US will be a worse place for having them here?

Because there's only so many resources and jobs to go around. This reminds me of the movie Elysium where they show the ruined Earth and the paradise space station. Spoilers, the good guys win and the end shows poor Earth people flooding into the paradise... but the first thing that has to pop into any rational mind is "well it won't be paradise for long."

Not saying the U.S. is paradise by any means, but the point is it's not like the solution to the problems countries like Haiti face is to just move everyone living there to the U.S. That's a terrible simplistic notion. The better avenue is to use our wealth to help those people in their communities make changes for the better.

P.S. What Trump said was terrible from a political standpoint, which is his usual "problem." Though I put problem in quotes because his no bullshit speaking style is exactly what his core base love him for.

Again, people thought this about the Irish and the Italians. American survived. Prospered, even. Often, immigrants are hungrier than us, because they've seen how bad it can get.

And again, they're generally taking the lowest paying, least skilled jobs available. Who wants to be a migrant farmer? Certainly no Americans.

Beamer, you so far off base on this its not even funny. That used to be the case. The world has changed and so has America. your talking about migrants from south america. most of us are talking about the fucking trash coming from the middle east thats fucking everything up. Big Difference!!!

Again, sounds like what people said about the Irish and Italians.

What did they fuck up? And do you know any personally? Do you work with them?
 
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News Comments > ESA Rebukes President Trump
104. Re: I watched more DOOM videos (not all of them [TL;DW]), with a guy's commentaries, from YouTube... Jan 12, 2018, 17:13 Beamer
 
StingingVelvet wrote on Jan 12, 2018, 17:10:
Wowbagger_TIP wrote on Jan 12, 2018, 16:55:
Cutter wrote on Jan 12, 2018, 15:29:
Well the reality is if all those people from all those countries come here than it's going to be just as shitty here.

How does that follow at all? Immigrants come here all the time and make decent lives for themselves. They go to school, get jobs, raise families. Why does them coming from a war-torn place mean that suddenly the US will be a worse place for having them here?

Because there's only so many resources and jobs to go around. This reminds me of the movie Elysium where they show the ruined Earth and the paradise space station. Spoilers, the good guys win and the end shows poor Earth people flooding into the paradise... but the first thing that has to pop into any rational mind is "well it won't be paradise for long."

Not saying the U.S. is paradise by any means, but the point is it's not like the solution to the problems countries like Haiti face is to just move everyone living there to the U.S. That's a terrible simplistic notion. The better avenue is to use our wealth to help those people in their communities make changes for the better.

P.S. What Trump said was terrible from a political standpoint, which is his usual "problem." Though I put problem in quotes because his no bullshit speaking style is exactly what his core base love him for.

Again, people thought this about the Irish and the Italians. American survived. Prospered, even. Often, immigrants are hungrier than us, because they've seen how bad it can get.

And again, they're generally taking the lowest paying, least skilled jobs available. Who wants to be a migrant farmer? Certainly no Americans.
 
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News Comments > ESA Rebukes President Trump
101. Re: ESA Rebukes President Trump Jan 12, 2018, 16:58 Beamer
 
HorrorScope wrote on Jan 12, 2018, 16:47:
Beamer wrote on Jan 12, 2018, 16:21:
Please, give us an example of "fake news" from CNN.

They were all mentioned this past Wednesday by the honorable Donald Trump, during his Fake News Awards... How could you miss it?

In fairness to Trump, he announced last week that he was holding this on 1/17, so you missed him moving them.
But I'd wager this is what the bulk of his time has been spent on, rather than any form of policy.
 
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News Comments > ESA Rebukes President Trump
94. Re: ESA Rebukes President Trump Jan 12, 2018, 16:21 Beamer
 
Chromius wrote on Jan 12, 2018, 16:17:
The sad thing is is how many of you believe CNN and a source of a source of a source as real news.

The brainwashing is significant in this thread.

Please, give us an example of "fake news" from CNN.
Please, just one bit of news from them that was incorrect and remains uncorrected.

I've already cited, several times, our own President giving us incorrect information on Twitter, just this week. In case you didn't read it in this lengthy thread, he said that he didn't go to the UK because of a bad deal Obama made. Sadly for us, this was misinformation, deliberately or mistakenly, as it was Bush that made the deal.

So there, I've given you an example of Trump giving us "fake news." Your turn to back your claim. Frankly, I expect we just never see you again, like every other person we ask to show us "fake news" on CNN.

Regardless, nothing mentioned here has come solely from CNN. Hell, the WSJ just broke news about Trump paying off Stormy Daniels in 2006. I'm sure you'll either say CNN's coverage of this is "fake news" and write it all off, or somehow wiggle and say News Corp is "fake news."
 
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News Comments > Morning Metaverse
6. Re: Morning Metaverse Jan 12, 2018, 14:53 Beamer
 
Muscular Beaver wrote on Jan 12, 2018, 14:45:
Ah, our morally superior heroes are active here too. How surprising!

Remember that time you said that you couldn't get through the day without either calling people the n word online or hurting yourself?

That was incredible. You actually go to bed at night thinking you're a reasonable, good person with self control and a valid outlook on life, when you feel the need to either call strangers the n word or do self-harm.

Still the oddest thing someone has said, then gone on to act as if they're well composed and someone to be looked up to as being in control of their thoughts, actions, and life.
 
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News Comments > ESA Rebukes President Trump
84. Re: ESA Rebukes President Trump Jan 12, 2018, 14:37 Beamer
 
Flatline wrote on Jan 12, 2018, 14:28:
Linthat22 wrote on Jan 12, 2018, 10:09:
Then lets let all these bleeding hearts move to Haiti and tell us how great it is. Trump called Haiti a shithole, that's no different than calling Detroit a shithole.

Man, the media sure is twisting the weak minds of the populace.

You're also missing the part where he asked if we could just "get rid" of all the Haitians in the US.

Dude's a straight-up racist.

I thought he meant "take them out [of what we're discussing]," not remove them from the country.

Regardless, it was him again saying derogatory things about a country full of non-white people in a way he's never done about a country full of white people. Even when he does criticize predominantly white countries, he's usually singling out the non-white people in it.

It's a pattern. But I get it. To some, someone isn't racist unless he says "I hate people of this race," or "white people are superior." Even then, it's often written off as "just trolling."
Somehow, we hit the point where being called racist is worse than saying things almost definitely racist.
 
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News Comments > ESA Rebukes President Trump
74. Re: ESA Rebukes President Trump Jan 12, 2018, 13:50 Beamer
 
Verno wrote on Jan 12, 2018, 13:40:
I guess they could stage some sort of bizarre impeachment scenario though on what grounds, I have no idea. Then we'll get....President Pence. I'm not sure people are being careful about they wish for here

I think, to quote John Boehner, we need to truly bottom out before people realize we need change. I don't mean Trump, though he could be the bottom (anything worse and we're basically doomed, no?) I mean our entire political scheme as a whole.

Someone yesterday posted this article on Facebook (see, it does have good points) about a rural Democrat in Indiana. I disagree with that Senator on most of his social points. Which is ok. The only thing that really bothered me was him being cautious about homosexuality forcing beliefs on people, when banning it is basically just that. That's mild, though, as what he said can be taken many ways and I won't assume the worst.

The point being, he's a Democrat that doesn't toe the line. He wants to represent his constituents (perhaps to a fault in some regards), rather than represent his party. He wants to do what he feels is right and best for his people (and the country, I assume), not what will make MSNBC happy.

to Boehner's point, we need to get back to people falling to parties based on high level beliefs, not every single belief. Politicians and people both.
 
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News Comments > ESA Rebukes President Trump
70. Re: ESA Rebukes President Trump Jan 12, 2018, 13:40 Beamer
 
Muscular Beaver wrote on Jan 12, 2018, 13:33:
Beamer wrote on Jan 12, 2018, 13:12:
Muscular Beaver wrote on Jan 12, 2018, 13:07:
Yifes wrote on Jan 12, 2018, 13:02:
Muscular Beaver wrote on Jan 12, 2018, 12:56:
It really feels like they are religious fanatics, doesnt it? And when you talk to them, its even more obvious. Facts dont count for them. Their hypocrisy is astounding, even more so how they can ignore it and still claim they are in the right. Some of them are so crazy and illogical that I am really scared of them.

These people prove that the saying "The path to hell is paved with good intentions", is absolutely true.

That's a perfect description of the right. Religious indoctrination, ignoring facts in favor of faith and dogma is exactly how the conservative voter base conditions their children. I mean, you have people believing that the Earth is 5000 years old, denying fossil evidence and evolution; it's not a long stretch for them to deny all evidence and believe the bullshit coming out of Trump's mouth.
Thanks for confirming my points. Facts dont matter, you cant argue with them, because they will just twist everything to their liking. And thats why I dont argue with people like you anymore. Its literally useless and seems to make you people tick out even more, because truth and facts are triggering you...

What facts?
Give us facts and see how we respond.

Generally, you give opinions like "immigrants are bad!" That isn't a fact!
You're also bad at recognizing things. I remember you claiming NBC said "all" gamers were racist. They didn't do this.

Also a fact: you once claimed that you *need* to call people "fags" and the n word in games in order to prevent damage to yourself and those around you. That... is kind of scary and really should be your signature. People should know that about you.
Oh I have. Esecially to you. And I remember very well how you reacted to them. You dont remember? I am not surprised.

If Kellyanne ever gets fired, I think you'd make a fine replacement with your nonanswers.
 
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News Comments > ESA Rebukes President Trump
59. Re: ESA Rebukes President Trump Jan 12, 2018, 13:12 Beamer
 
Muscular Beaver wrote on Jan 12, 2018, 13:07:
Yifes wrote on Jan 12, 2018, 13:02:
Muscular Beaver wrote on Jan 12, 2018, 12:56:
It really feels like they are religious fanatics, doesnt it? And when you talk to them, its even more obvious. Facts dont count for them. Their hypocrisy is astounding, even more so how they can ignore it and still claim they are in the right. Some of them are so crazy and illogical that I am really scared of them.

These people prove that the saying "The path to hell is paved with good intentions", is absolutely true.

That's a perfect description of the right. Religious indoctrination, ignoring facts in favor of faith and dogma is exactly how the conservative voter base conditions their children. I mean, you have people believing that the Earth is 5000 years old, denying fossil evidence and evolution; it's not a long stretch for them to deny all evidence and believe the bullshit coming out of Trump's mouth.
Thanks for confirming my points. Facts dont matter, you cant argue with them, because they will just twist everything to their liking. And thats why I dont argue with people like you anymore. Its literally useless and seems to make you people tick out even more, because truth and facts are triggering you...

What facts?
Give us facts and see how we respond.

Generally, you give opinions like "immigrants are bad!" That isn't a fact!
You're also bad at recognizing things. I remember you claiming NBC said "all" gamers were racist. They didn't do this.

Also a fact: you once claimed that you *need* to call people "fags" and the n word in games in order to prevent damage to yourself and those around you. That... is kind of scary and really should be your signature. People should know that about you.
 
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News Comments > ESA Rebukes President Trump
56. Re: ESA Rebukes President Trump Jan 12, 2018, 13:05 Beamer
 
So what good *is* Trump doing?
With DACA, he basically said he'll sign whatever. He did mostly the same with taxes - said he'd sign whatever. What has he personally done? What impact has he made?

Other than drastically lowering the discourse in the country and the behavior we expect from our leaders?

Even his best idea, infrastructure, has gone nowhere. There's no room for it in the new tax system, and with his "repeal everything Obama did," he pulled the funding earmarked for fixing the rail tunnels into NYC that were damaged from Sandy. These are expected to fail in no less than 7 years, crippling this region. It's arguably the most important piece of infrastructure in our country. But hey, Obama thought it was important, so lets kill it!
 
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News Comments > Morning Metaverse
4. Re: Morning Metaverse Jan 12, 2018, 12:38 Beamer
 
Red886 wrote on Jan 12, 2018, 10:50:
PewDiePie got his series cancelled because of non-PC jokes but Logan Paul (when the PewDiePie vid was made.) didn't face any serious repercussion for his far worse behavior.

ionly now do the cancellations and banhammer comes into force

Logan Paul has had no serious repercussions?

He also lost his series. His channel was removed from YouTube Preferred. The sequel to his movie was shelved. His other series was just canned today.

Seems like he had even higher repercussions. Unless you are complaining that it took so long. It took, what, two weeks? PDP took longer than that.
 
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46. Re: ESA Rebukes President Trump Jan 12, 2018, 12:33 Beamer
 
DukeFNukem wrote on Jan 12, 2018, 12:21:
RedEye9 wrote on Jan 12, 2018, 10:28:
The ESA is a little late, the whole world has given up on the dotus.

Can't wait for anyone to cluelessly defend the dotard yet again.

The whole world has given up on the dotus? LoL. Your comments have no basis in reality do they? Half of America voted for Donald Trump because they're smart enough to realize that people coming here to sponge off the system will only weigh it down more. You do understand that when more people are sponging off the welfare system than the amount of people supporting it, that it will eventually collapse? That's just common sense for Gods sake.

If everyone is consuming and no one is producing, eventually there will be nothing left to consume. Please correct me where I am wrong.

1) "Half of America" did not vote for Trump. 63 million people did, out of 210 million potential voters

2) The thing is, many of those people are absolutely heavier sponges on the system than the people they're angry at. Red States tend to take a larger share of federal spend and Red States have a much higher percentage of people on food stamps. Not to mention, Trump won largely in the blue collar rural areas. Guess where welfare is among the highest? Guess where medicaid is amongst the highest?

So these people whine about "sponges" when they typically ARE sponges. They whine about uneducated, unskilled foreign labor stealing their jobs, but if someone that can't speak English and has no skills can take your job, what does it say about you? Democrats had plans to fix the education and skill level in those areas, but it was widely rejected in favor of "bring back the jobs we had in the 80s," but those jobs had 30 years to leave. They won't come back any time soon, because they moved to places with far larger infrastructure than we ever had - even if the costs were the same the efficiency overseas is so high we'd need decades of training and building to get close. No company is interested in investing in that. Not to mention, coal is weirdly a big talking point when no energy buyer wants to buy coal. There is zero demand for it, so the jobs disappeared, and that demand isn't, and won't, come back. Much like the demand for telegraph operators has died. Better to train in new skills.

But they voted against that...
 
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