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News Comments > Morning Interviews
3. Re: Morning Interviews Feb 22, 2018, 11:44 Beamer
 
PHJF wrote on Feb 22, 2018, 11:39:
Never played Hellgate... I'd like to try it now to see what the lack of fuss was about.

You may be in luck! But probably not.

 
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44. Re: R.I. Proposes Violent Game Tax Feb 22, 2018, 11:38 Beamer
 
NicklePop wrote on Feb 22, 2018, 11:22:
Beamer wrote on Feb 22, 2018, 11:11:
NicklePop wrote on Feb 22, 2018, 11:09:
Democrats argument that "nothing influences a child" is comical at best.

Explains their worldview and it's outcome though.

Who argues that nothing influences a child?

Democrats (the redditor-progressive-socialist form at least)

Drugs, sex, violence - all are acceptable at any age, because the state will make up for the detriment of a population inundated by their negative consequences.

Multiple posts in this thread arguing that inundation with graphic violence at a young age has "no effect" on the outcome of the mind being indoctrinated by them.

Hence: "take the rights of adults to own guns away rather than address the fundamental proposition young minds are being raised by", and if you address the philosophical instruction provided by violent media's effect "you're dumb" becomes the argument.

Comedy.

This is why left-leaning nation-states eventually devolve into genocide, because the state identifies the problem as external to the mind, and targets the "enemy" (Jews, Capitalists, etc)

It's worth reading Karl Marx' "On the Jewish Question", it's illuminating; the subtext provides an understanding of the directionality of the Democrat-left-socialist operating in the US and running the media-conglomerates.

Oh, right, you're the guy that thinks Jesus cures everything.

And we're done. Conspiracy theorist, anti-semite, and jesus freak all wrapped into one.
 
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42. Re: R.I. Proposes Violent Game Tax Feb 22, 2018, 11:11 Beamer
 
NicklePop wrote on Feb 22, 2018, 11:09:
Democrats argument that "nothing influences a child" is comical at best.

Explains their worldview and it's outcome though.

Who argues that nothing influences a child?
 
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39. Re: R.I. Proposes Violent Game Tax Feb 22, 2018, 09:52 Beamer
 
PHJF wrote on Feb 22, 2018, 09:30:
I think it was some time recent when someone drove his truck into a crowd of people.

I CAN'T DRIVE A GLOCK 9 TO WORK, CAN I?

YOU SEE, ONE SERVES A UTILITARIAN PURPOSE TO MILLIONS OF AMERICANS EVERY DAY.

ONE SERVES NO PURPOSE EXCEPT TO EASILY KILL THINGS.

DO YOU UNDERSTAND? DO YOU HAVE ANY BRAIN POWER AT ALL? DOES CAPS HELP?

No, but I could drive an M1 Abrams to work. Let's start selling those to civilians!
Also, it's fun to read your post in Farnesworth's voice.
 
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36. Re: R.I. Proposes Violent Game Tax Feb 22, 2018, 09:17 Beamer
 
Muscular Beaver wrote on Feb 22, 2018, 08:36:
I didnt even read far into your shit again to notice youre only on about to attack me personally by putting words into my mouth again and interpreting something into a text that fits your disgusting agenda. Only because I owned you hard once and exposed you as the hypocrite you are.

The rest you wasted your time on, because I dont waste my time with trolls like you.

No putting words in your mouth. You said it.

If someone came up to you and said "listen, things are dark for me. The only thing stopping me from damaging myself, or those around me, is spending time online calling 14 year olds 'fags' for simply competing against me in a game," you'd probably say "wow, that's not healthy. You should talk to someone. I'm concerned for your safety."

You said those words. Reread the quote - you actually said those words.

Yet, rather than realize that what you're doing isn't healthy and isn't stable, you're constantly trying to tell others that your views and observations about society are correct and accurate. It's important for others to know where it's coming from.

That your opinions are coming from a guy who has said that he "vents" [in this case, by calling 14 year olds fags online] to "orevent doing damage to myself."
 
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35. Re: R.I. Proposes Violent Game Tax Feb 22, 2018, 09:14 Beamer
 
Drath71 wrote on Feb 22, 2018, 09:11:
Sure, if you show me a person performing a mass shooting, and they take personal responsibility. It's about PERSONAL responsibility. The people I personally know who have guns don't go around shooting other people and never have!!

Are all of the people against drug laws personally responsible for the massive death count from drug abuse? According to libs, I guess so!!!

Tally up those numbers if you are truly concerned about lives.

Wait, so where are the "libs" not taking personal responsibility?
You realize both sides are pointing fingers, no?

Seems no, you don't.
Not to mention the "what aboutism" going on. How about the people responsible for car deaths. Do we blame them for not wanting to ban cars? Or maybe there's something different between a child going to school and being shot by another child, and a person choosing to inject heroin in their own arm and dying from it?
 
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31. Re: R.I. Proposes Violent Game Tax Feb 22, 2018, 08:28 Beamer
 
Muscular Beaver wrote on Feb 22, 2018, 07:25:
StingingVelvet wrote on Feb 21, 2018, 19:40:
As a sociology teacher I have to admit media has an effect on kids, but this isn't how you counter that. Instead it has to be parents, or sadly school systems when parents don't give a crap, who teach the children how to handle violent images and the difference between life and fantasy. 90% of parents would buy their kid Grand Theft Auto 5 without thinking twice, and that's a bigger deal than anything else on this subject.

It only has an effect on kids who have huge problems in life (because of parents most likely). Some slip away even more through games like these, some actually recover by playing them, because they can vent frustration on games like these.
I remember very well as a child I would play Persian Gulf Inferno and later Doom (both actually banned here) when I was frustrated, and I havent turned into a violent sociopath. Quite the opposite actually.

On the other hand, taking away guns from people doesnt do much either. Its just opportunist and populist ramblings from both sides, who think they can score with the stupid portion of the voters. That also shows how they judge their voters.

You think that it only has an effect on kids, and only ones with huge problems in life, because? Can you show us studies, or is this a case of you thinking something and therefore it's true? Do you have the self-awareness to even know how susceptible you are to media?

And the answer to that last question is a clear "no." If you were at all self-aware, you wouldn't say you aren't a violent sociopath. Remember, you said that the only thing stopping you from violence is calling people "fags" anonymously in voice chat of games. That's what you said. You actually said it:

Muscular Beaver wrote on Oct 17, 2017, 10:01:

You just proved exactly what I was talking about. You cause problems where there are none.
Also when I vent I prevent damage to myself. Not everyone can swallow and swallow and swallow without ever letting it out. Thats simple psychology, which I actually get explained every day by [b]my[/b] girlfriend.
Some people let it out into the face of others. So what? I can deal with an angry gamer going ballistic over BS. Who cant? Only people who are very insecure, which is a problem in their whole life and they should get professional help to get it fixed or they will have far more serious problems outside of games.

How in the world is that not the words of a violent sociopath? The only thing that stops you from committing physical damage is committing mental damage. By. Your. Own. Words.
 
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30. Re: R.I. Proposes Violent Game Tax Feb 22, 2018, 08:23 Beamer
 
Drath71 wrote on Feb 22, 2018, 07:04:
Notice my post wasn't "gosh, what jerk made this up?" I already knew that, but you'd have to have a grade school level of reading comprehension to get what I was saying. But here, let me help you out:

I'll sum up the first two options, and add the third for your sake of clarity.

1. Taking personal responsibility instead of blaming others. Bad.
2. Taking taxes from folks for stuff I demand it be spent on. Good.
3. Something was submitted by a republican. Bad.

Does that help?

Since you blame "the libs," can you show me "the conservs" taking personal responsibility for the mass shootings?
 
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News Comments > R.I. Proposes Violent Game Tax
22. Re: R.I. Proposes Violent Game Tax Feb 22, 2018, 06:59 Beamer
 
StingingVelvet wrote on Feb 22, 2018, 02:47:
Cutter wrote on Feb 21, 2018, 20:59:
If that were true, violent media affecting kids, explain why we all didn't grow up to be mass-murders watching violent cartoons and TV shows. Spending my formative years in front of the boob tube watching Bugs Bunny dropping anvils on peoples heads never game me the impulse to do it. Nor did I ever fail to understand the difference between fact and fantasy. Somehow the overwhelming majority of people out there have watched violent media their whole lives without turning into mass-murders.

The answer is that you're way exaggerating what I said. It has an impact, which varies depending on the individual and the situation. That's a big reason why it should be handled by parents and teachers on a case by case basis, rather than stupid laws like these.

They definitely contribute to the current culture of guns=masculinity that's helping drive all these mass shootings. But they're not a primary factor, by any means.

You're entirely correct, though, that people like Cutter can't understand how something enforces a norm, versus something creates specific behavior itself. Just talk to most gamers about the impact of the treatment of women in games and watch them foam at the mouth to point out that video games don't turn gamers misogynist (which no one has claimed.) Of course, someone like Cutter will rabidly make that claim, but Cutter also can't make a post about women here without drifting into angry misogyny, so...
 
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21. Re: R.I. Proposes Violent Game Tax Feb 22, 2018, 06:56 Beamer
 
Drath71 wrote on Feb 22, 2018, 06:54:
Wow, what a dilemma for libs. On one hand, it blames violent video games for contributing to violent behavior, and we all know how crazy the idea of personal responsibility is nowadays.

On the other hand...it takes more money from citizens, to fund stuff. YAY!


"For libs."
Do you not see the "R" next to the representatives name? Of course you don't. You registered here just to make this post, which is nonsensical and has nothing to do with anything at all, and shows a fundamental misunderstanding of politics and the world.

I'd say Russian Bot, but they're better than this, even.
 
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News Comments > Morning Metaverse
35. Re: Morning Metaverse Feb 21, 2018, 23:11 Beamer
 
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Beamer wrote on Feb 21, 2018, 16:14:
Taxing businesses insane amounts doesn't work. It just gives them incentive to avoid the US. The HQ may still be here, but it creates incentive to hold money overseas and create new jobs overseas that could be done here.

This problem is going to be worldwide. There won't be anywhere to run. You need to get money into the hands of people who will spend it to generate economic activity. Massive income inequality is the domain of banana republics and failed third world nations.

And the Asian economies that have risen since the cold War. Old hat to them. Same in the middle east. This is where all the luxury goods these days go, too. All the Bugattis and LVMH products.
 
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9. Re: R.I. Proposes Violent Game Tax Feb 21, 2018, 22:03 Beamer
 
There are actually toys being made for young kids for Jurassic World 2. And hell, as kids we had robocop and toxic avenger toys.

It isn't media that's leading this, and while it could be a factor to a culture of guns, so was every teen book in the 40s...
 
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29. Re: Morning Metaverse Feb 21, 2018, 21:00 Beamer
 
Creston wrote on Feb 21, 2018, 19:30:
Beamer wrote on Feb 21, 2018, 19:07:
I think the best comment I've seen lately is that of course our colleges are full of kids trying to be activists. We've raised this crop on Young Adult Fiction based around dystopian nightmare societies and kids being the ones to break the bonds. Harry Potter wasn't dystopian, but was a society on the brink of becoming it. Hunger Games, whatever other stupid movies I've not seen but were everywhere, etc. Even Red Rising, the series I mentioned below, begins that way. Dystopian society, blind and greedy adults who burnt everything down and are happy letting everyone else rot, and kids being the ones to make things right.

Just reminded of it from your comments about it becoming all-out murder. Like most books about how dystopian societies begin.

We need some Final Fantasy teenagers, preferably with big swords!

Yeah, it all seemed so inconceivable even ten years ago, but now? I've long since given up hope. I just console myself with the, admittedly super-selfish, thought that I don't have kids and probably only have 20-30 years or so left. I won't see the worst of it.

My brother and sister in law, ten and fifteen years younger than me, with kids as little as two years old? Yeah, they're going to have a rough time. They always look at me funny too when I say that I hope it won't get too bad for them, as if they just have no idea what I could possibly be referring to.

Yeah. My sister can't understand why I job switch so frequently. I'll take a new job and be on the phone with a recruiter the next day. I take jobs I love, but will keep contacts with recruiters in case something crazy happens, or just so I know there's a next step. Switching jobs gives raises infinitely more quickly. But I'm running, right? There's a line that keeps moving out, and you're either in front of it or behind it, and it gets harder and harder to stay in front of. Plus, I'm in my late 30s now. I have, what, 12-15 more years before someone decides I'm too old and make too much and I end up a greeter at Walmart? Better make as much, then save as much, as you can (I'm failing at the last part.)

She gets annoyed when I discuss politics with her, too, because I'm far more liberal and far more willing to raise taxes or take care of the poor. My girlfriend and I make about 5x what she and her husband make. But she has a house, we rent. And she'll eventually inherit somewhere between $3M and $10M thanks to the sacrifices her father in law made over the years. I expect no inheritance from my parents, just hoping they live their remaining years in happiness rather than feeling they need to save to pass on.
I'm more comfortable than her now, but terrified of my later years. She's struggling now, but in the later years will be far ahead of what I'm running from.
 
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News Comments > Morning Metaverse
27. Re: Morning Metaverse Feb 21, 2018, 19:07 Beamer
 
Creston wrote on Feb 21, 2018, 19:02:
Beamer wrote on Feb 21, 2018, 18:56:
Thing is, the CEO will likely already have moved on - that's someone else's problem. His job was to drive results while he was there, and he did. Let the next guy worry about it. He can't worry, he'll lose his job if he does!

Yep, and there's the entire crux of the matter. Sometimes I think that rich people all look at that movie Elysium and all sigh with longing. "If only..."

I genuinely wonder if this is just going to lead to all-out murder at some point. How much longer are the rich just going to say "Fuck you, I got mine." before the poor just start killing them? There's guns aplenty. That's going to be a fucking scary time at that point.

It all comes down to them, true, but it's all just a cycle of everyone making mistakes, and those mistakes compounding. Any chance we'd have of actually breaking those mistakes ends with the top 0.1% lobbying against stuff (and there's where I think it is not a cycle and just assholes being assholes without realizing what monstrous assholes they are.)

Oh, I think they know. They just don't give a fuck. THEY won't suffer when everything is automated.

I was discussing and didn't think Creston found it antagonizing,

Not at all.

I think the best comment I've seen lately is that of course our colleges are full of kids trying to be activists. We've raised this crop on Young Adult Fiction based around dystopian nightmare societies and kids being the ones to break the bonds. Harry Potter wasn't dystopian, but was a society on the brink of becoming it. Hunger Games, whatever other stupid movies I've not seen but were everywhere, etc. Even Red Rising, the series I mentioned below, begins that way. Dystopian society, blind and greedy adults who burnt everything down and are happy letting everyone else rot, and kids being the ones to make things right.

Just reminded of it from your comments about it becoming all-out murder. Like most books about how dystopian societies begin.
 
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News Comments > Morning Metaverse
25. Re: Morning Metaverse Feb 21, 2018, 18:56 Beamer
 
I know I've blamed the consumer some here. I don't mean to do that exclusively. As you mentioned, in 2 years (more like 5-10, ha!), McDonald's will realize no one is left to eat their food. Thing is, the CEO will likely already have moved on - that's someone else's problem. His job was to drive results while he was there, and he did. Let the next guy worry about it. He can't worry, he'll lose his job if he does!

It all comes down to them, true, but it's all just a cycle of everyone making mistakes, and those mistakes compounding. Any chance we'd have of actually breaking those mistakes ends with the top 0.1% lobbying against stuff (and there's where I think it is not a cycle and just assholes being assholes without realizing what monstrous assholes they are.)

Also, a red REMOVED of shame! I knew I shouldn't have quoted. For the record, all I did was say I wasn't trolling, I was discussing and didn't think Creston found it antagonizing, and his desire to see me dead was classy. Apologies, Blue. I knew better.
 
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19. Re: Morning Metaverse Feb 21, 2018, 17:08 Beamer
 
The only ones who can stop it is the ones who are implementing it. Ie, the corporations. They need to wake up to the fact that they're going to flat-out kill a large chunk of their customer base. But I guess most of them just shrug and go "The rich will just buy more of our product."

Not quite. Let's say McDonald's and Burger King decide to automate fully. They reduce their stores to 1 employee, and have the orders taken by tablets and cooked by robots. If an average store is open 18 hours a day, has 5 employees in at any given time, pays those employees $10 an hour including all the costs around them, and the chain has 7,000 locations in the US... they would save over $6M a day doing this. That's $2.3B per year.
Now what happens to Wendy's? McDonald's and Burger King are flush with cash. They can out innovate. They can out market. If they want, they can start a price war. Wendy's can either adapt or die. By choosing not to do what the others are doing, by taking a stand, it just puts itself out of business.

It doesn't fully work because those are franchisees, etc., but economies are global now. "Buy American" has never been a big draw - people flock to H&M and Zara for cheap prices and fast fashion, abandoning companies that manufacture in the US (made in America works on small scale, but not large. Hell, try to find 3 shoe companies you can buy in a mall that make more than 30% of their products in the country. But you can find boutiques that have it.) Americans gleefully kept going to Walmart for cheap prices, even as the company forced the destruction of American manufacturing companies like Huffy and Tupperware. If a Chinese company fully automates, and a US one doesn't, which will Walmart stock? Which will people buy? (Fun fact: wages in China are starting to hit the point that automation makes sense, which is part of why manufacturing is growing in cheaper countries like Thailand.)

The whole thing becomes like the metaphor of the frog in the pot. Americans will keep flocking to lower priced options because they think it won't happen to them, and when it does happen to them it's too late. It went beyond the point of no return before they realized anything was happening. In general, we're awful at voting with our dollars and just go after the best price.


One thing that always bugs me about the "should we have stuck with blacksmiths then?!" argument, though, is that that argument doesn't scale. We are talking, world wide, about something like half a BILLION people losing their jobs. Not the occasional blacksmith / elevator attendant / whatever here and there. We're talking, for the first time ever, of such a massive change in automation capacity that it will literally change everything.

I agree. The purpose of my questions was not to have you give a qualitative argument against it, but to actually try to create a definition for what would and would not be legal, if you thought the government should step in.

The stock market was the worst thing we ever invented. One thing that makes me chuckle though is that Wall Street is driving incessantly towards the one thing that will put a large chunk of them out of business as well. But they've stolen enough money to be able to retire. No tree-bark soup for them.

It had serious benefits, and still has some, but in the early 80s it just broke. For a lot of reasons, we can't blame Reagan for many of them, but there's no coincidence things went insane under his watch.


I think the biggest culprit is the stock market. This need to just grow grow grow grow grow grow grow grow grow. Nothing can grow indefinitely, but Wall Street seems to think that not only CAN it, but it SHOULD grow indefinitely.

In the old days, stead was important. Dividends. Then came computers and spreadsheets. Suddenly, we could analyze data so quickly and so easily, and get a ridiculous level of precision. Expectations changed because we could monitor so much better. We could create crazy levered deals, or ridiculous packaged financial instruments, in both cases things hardly understood that have led to downfalls of companies and the economy. We knew more so we expected more. The stock market was around for decades before the Jack Welch style of expecting a CEO to call his earnings to the penny, and penalizing him for being wrong either way, came around, and that stuff is ridiculous.

Plus, all this easy analysis meant that fewer employees could do more. They could be measured more accurately. Expectations rose. Hours rose. Pressure rose. Then came the internet, and now hours never, ever end. Watch an episode of Marvelous Mrs. Maizel (do it!) or Mad Men (meh, only watched one) and be amazed at the desks with no computers, where people don't spend hours polishing spreadsheets and powerpoint decks, where when they leave at 5 or 6 and go home they're home and just home.

We've already fucked ourselves.
 
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17. Re: Morning Metaverse Feb 21, 2018, 16:25 Beamer
 


Why are we headed to it?
Who can stop it. Honest question: who can stop it? How do you even write legislation for it. Were robots in Detroit factories a bad thing? How about vending machines in buildings that used to have newspaper stands? How about buttons in an elevator instead of an elevator man? How about phone menu systems instead of a secretary? Or Outlook calendars instead of secretaries?

I'm not trying to be a dick here. I'm just saying it's really, really hard to define a clear line, and legislation fails hard without a clear line.

And it's easy to say greed, but the people making these decisions aren't often greedy as individuals, it's a whole cycle of greed. Wall Street demands growth in both revenue and profit margin. Margin is really hard to increase after a certain point, with G&A being the area CEOs have the most control over. If they fail, the stock underperforms and they're fired. So they do what it takes to make sure Wall Street is happy. The analysts on Wall Street are making sure their clients get the best return, otherwise they'll be fired. Their clients may be the people being squeezed by the corporations, so they need growth to be as high as possible to think they have any chance of retirement.

It's an entire broken financial culture. The biggest culprit is probably spreadsheets, frankly, or at least computers. Computers which, of course, led to the firing of entire departments of corporations whose jobs used to be to solve analyses by hand.
 
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15. Re: Morning Metaverse Feb 21, 2018, 16:14 Beamer
 
Tipsy McStagger wrote on Feb 21, 2018, 15:43:
MoreLuckThanSkill wrote on Feb 21, 2018, 13:38:
Orogogus wrote on Feb 21, 2018, 13:31:
What's the math on that? The US population is about 330 million, x $2000 = $660 billion, and Wikipedia says the 2015 US budget was $3.8 trillion. And that's counting men, women and children for the population side, not households or families.

$2000 per month, so your $660 billion x 12 = 7.92 trillion a year. Obviously there would still be some people working, and some people would be children, etc. but you get the idea.

You forget that's based off current tax laws.

Automation will kill jobs, which kills taxation income. A new form of taxation would have to be addressed which would tax businesses an insane amount of money. It CAN work, but it is going to be crazy complex.

Taxing businesses insane amounts doesn't work. It just gives them incentive to avoid the US. The HQ may still be here, but it creates incentive to hold money overseas and create new jobs overseas that could be done here.

But that money passes through, and will pass through to someone. If Amazon were to go 100% automated, the revenue would still pass through to Jeff Bezos (well, I can poke holes in that due to Bezos already being rich, but it holds wonderfully for smaller companies with multiple officers; for simplicity I'm holding with one company and one man.) Tax that income. The wealthy won't move themselves overseas, but they will move everything and everyone else.
 
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6. Re: SIM cards Feb 21, 2018, 14:13 Beamer
 
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