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News Comments > Morning Interviews
18. Re: Morning Interviews Jul 22, 2016, 15:23 Beamer
 
El Pit wrote on Jul 22, 2016, 13:47:
I guess people in low income areas like a Chicago suburb can rejoice, they will get a deeper price. Right? Or is this just for foreigners?! Why?

Is this a serious question?
 
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News Comments > Evening Mobilization
10. Re: Evening Mobilization Jul 22, 2016, 07:12 Beamer
 
Graham wrote on Jul 21, 2016, 20:03:
Only The Register could call selling 1.6 million of a $300+ product a bad thing. What a fucking shit show of terrible analysis. Simply looking at numbers and making calls without any context isn't analysis, it's regurgitation.

Boo, Register. Boo.

What do you mean "without any context?"

"By dropping from 3.6 million to 1.6 million units sold, Apple's market share shrank from 72 per cent to 47 per cent, still far and away the largest of any vendor."

That's context, no?

And regardless, why does it need analysis. Sometimes the news is just, y'know, news. Where else have you seen those numbers? They were news to me.
 
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News Comments > Morning Safety Dance
9. Re: Morning Safety Dance Jul 21, 2016, 18:23 Beamer
 
Timmeh wrote on Jul 21, 2016, 17:55:
NO.. We already have one of the highest tax rates in the world.

During America's best years, when our middle class thrived, our top tax bracket was almost 3x what it is now.

This is not a coincidence.
 
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7. Re: Morning Safety Dance Jul 21, 2016, 17:52 Beamer
 
Must... not... feed. Must... not... feed...  
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15. Re: Morning Interviews Jul 21, 2016, 17:51 Beamer
 
Quboid wrote on Jul 21, 2016, 17:44:
Cutter wants to pay the cheapest price, because why should anyone get it cheaper?
Cutter wants the highest standard of living, because why should anyone get better?
Cutter doesn't (want to) understand the correlation.

RedEye9 wrote on Jul 21, 2016, 16:43:
jdreyer wrote on Jul 21, 2016, 15:14:
I'm sure Cutter practices what he preaches. When he goes out for a Thai meal of Panang curry, rice, and spring rolls, and the bill comes in for $20, he leaves $2, since "Charging some people a lot more and some a lot less depending on where they live for the same meal is really scummy.." and $2 is what it costs in Thailand.
+1
It's a hard concept for some to understand.

-1

The point is sound but the analogy doesn't work. Like El Pit says, that meal in Canada would cost more to create and also it would probably also be subject to higher regulations - additives, storage, kitchen hygiene. The cola one is better, or the Big Mac Index, with less significant changes between regions.

The cola one still has issues, because of local bottling plants, but I tried to ignore that.

The bottom line is that nothing is a great equivalent, because nothing else is truly digital.

Distributing a game is a nominal cost, regardless of region. There's no additional cost to sell it in Russia than Canada, for the most part. So I get why people think if it's one price somewhere it should be one price everywhere.

What those people ignore, though, (and I'm saying this for discussion, not for you, as you know this), is the alternatives. If someone can't want to pay the price for your cola, or your levi jeans, in Russia, they just don't have them. If someone can't want to pay your price for a video game, they pirate it. Of course, some do that when they don't want to, rather than can't. Those people then call the devs greedy...

This means there's a ceiling in some locations. In some locations, that ceiling is very low, but still money.

There's a floor, too, because the dev team needs to eat.

Again, to people like Tumblr, so the dev team can either charge what they themselves need in order to eat, but then everyone that lives in a poorer region will pirate. Or they can charge what everyone in the poorer region can pay, but then they're poor themselves. Or they can regionalize pricing.
 
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News Comments > Morning Interviews
13. Re: Morning Interviews Jul 21, 2016, 17:14 Beamer
 
Tumbler wrote on Jul 21, 2016, 16:54:
Beamer wrote on Jul 21, 2016, 16:41:
Actually, that is Cutter's argument. That if it's $5 in Cambodia it should be $5 in Canada, or if it's $50 in Canada it should be $50 in Cambodia.

Thanks to the Internet it is $5 and $50 in Canada and Cambodia. Living in Canada if you can find a code for $5 then the lowest cost available is $5.

If you don't want people in canada to buy from people in Cambodia then buy a ship and go cut up some deep sea cables so we can't talk to each other over the internet. Otherwise adapt.

They have adapted, by creating regionalized codes that Valve can enforce.

Don't want to pay $50 for a game? Wait for the price to drop, or move to a place where you'd earn 10% as much.
 
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9. Re: Morning Interviews Jul 21, 2016, 16:41 Beamer
 
Tumbler wrote on Jul 21, 2016, 16:35:
Nobody is arguing that you should be able to go to best buy down the street and buy a copy of whatever for $5.

Actually, that is Cutter's argument. That if it's $5 in Cambodia it should be $5 in Canada, or if it's $50 in Canada it should be $50 in Cambodia.
 
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News Comments > Morning Metaverse
71. Re: Morning Metaverse Jul 21, 2016, 13:01 Beamer
 
Quboid wrote on Jul 21, 2016, 12:52:
Seventyfive wrote on Jul 21, 2016, 12:10:
In fact you CAN walk into a courtroom and say "people are doing something so I should be allowed also". It's called "precedent".

LOL dude you are too funny.

Haha, no. No it's not. Precedent is specific previous court decisions, not people previously dodging court.

Deary me.

I don't even know how to start, so I'm happy you were fairly concise.

Maybe I can clear it up for him:

Walking into a courtroom and saying "you can't arrest me for drinking in public, everyone was drinking in public!" won't make anyone say "whelp, you're right, it's ok."

That isn't what precedent is. But, I mean, these types of people usually don't get what Freedom of Speech protects, why would they get precedent?
 
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News Comments > Morning Legal Briefs
4. Re: Morning Legal Briefs Jul 21, 2016, 12:57 Beamer
 
Or how the word "exactly" works.  
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News Comments > Morning Interviews
3. Re: Morning Interviews Jul 21, 2016, 11:11 Beamer
 
Cutter wrote on Jul 21, 2016, 10:46:
Charging some people a lot more and some a lot less depending on where they live for the same product is really scummy. Greedy devs and publishers only have themselves to blame.

Cutter. We've had this discussion with you a billion times. I know you'll never, ever admit an ill-informed opinion of yours is incorrect, but I'll do it again in case others can change their mind.

Most pertinent point: The average income changes drastically from country to country. According to the UNECE, the gross average monthly wage for Canada is $3,604. This means that a $60 game is 1.66% of their weekly wage.

The average income in, say, Russia, is $1,003. So a $60 game would be 6% of their monthly wage. This is a large, large difference.

For this reason, prices vary everywhere. A bottle of coke is $0.64 in Russia, but $1.49 in Canada. A movie ticket is $4.95 in Russia, but much more in Canada.

Video game devs have even more trouble with this, and a few options. Let's assume the devs are Canadian:

1) They can price the game at $60 everywhere, but then they know that Russians can't buy it. Since Russians can't buy it, they'll pirate it. Now you have an entire country that is being trained to pirate. There's also no incentive to do any localization into the Russian language, any marketing in Russia, etc. You just don't release in Russia at all, leaving them literally no option beyond piracy, even if they have the funds.

2) They can price the game at $20 everywhere, since this is what they deem Russians can pay. The problem, of course, is that the devs are paid in Canadian dollars, not Russian currency. So they'd need to sell 3x as much in their home country to break even, they have less room to discount over time, and they'll be fighting the (thankfully dying) belief that a cheap game is a value game.

3) They can price differently across regions, so that each country is paying what is fair for their monthly income.



They choose #3. Sensibly. Yet some people call them greedy for either not pulling out of regions with less capital, or not charging everyone according too little so that they can't break even.

I mean, hell, it isn't as if most devs are rolling in cash.
 
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News Comments > Morning Metaverse
67. Re: Morning Metaverse Jul 21, 2016, 07:43 Beamer
 
Orogogus wrote on Jul 21, 2016, 04:33:
Redmask wrote on Jul 20, 2016, 23:34:
The tweets were not photoshopped, there is no evidence to support that claim and in fact its quite the opposite if you look at her twitter history.

What does that mean? I don't see them in the Twitter history. As yuastnav said, these tweets don't show up on Google, unlike anything else that's been retweeted -- everything gets amplified by aggregators and sites made to follow Twitter. And the one on the right has supposedly been retweeted 785 times and favorited or liked 4,000 times, yet nothing. The evidence seems clear to me that Beamer's correct.

And, for the record, I'm not saying she didn't say other bad things. As Quboid said, you can say "Milo deserved this" without saying "Leslie is a wonderful, perfect human being."

But "the other guy did something, too! Why aren't they banned!" has never been a valid defense. You can't walk into a courtroom, and kids can't even argue to their parents, that other people are doing something without being caught so therefore they can't be punished.

Youíre supposed to know to act like a human being and not a total jerk without someone telling you whether youíre liable to get caught or not. If you act like a jerk and you get banned, you donít get to say you just wished the site treated everyone the same. You acted like a jerk and you got banned. Thatís a you problem, not an everyone else problem.

What he was specifically banned for appears to be posting fake tweets from her.
 
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52. Re: Morning Metaverse Jul 20, 2016, 22:02 Beamer
 
Seventyfive wrote on Jul 20, 2016, 20:53:
Beamer wrote on Jul 20, 2016, 20:49:
Seventyfive wrote on Jul 20, 2016, 20:29:
Beamer wrote on Jul 20, 2016, 20:02:
Seventyfive wrote on Jul 20, 2016, 19:49:
Beamer wrote on Jul 20, 2016, 18:36:
Quboid wrote on Jul 20, 2016, 18:32:
There's plenty of bullshit around feminism, anti-Trump attacks are disgusting and I'm sure some BLM people are racist but I am continually surprised by how quickly people, in a topic that blew up because they were sick of negative generalisations about gamers, so quickly do the same about these groups or even "the Left" as a whole. This is how language naturally works and generalisations are essential to communicate but it's so often clumsy and in shihonage's kool-aid fuelled rant, silly.

BLM in particular. It is not Only BLM, it is BLM Too - in this context, life mattering is defined as how often cops kill black or white people. It is focus, not exclusion.


Beamer wrote on Jul 20, 2016, 17:31:
Quboid - this is what I meant when I said people keep giving this excuse. "There are murderers with Twitter accounts." Yes, but they aren't murdering people on Twitter.

I get that. It was scarcely relevant in the first place, but the start of your comment says the opposite; that his defenders think it is a pattern and not one night.

Edit: "he photoshopped" - source?

Oh, crap. You're right, I had that reversed.

Oh, for the [Photoshop

LOL so his entire ban is one photoshopped tweet pointing out how it's totally ok to be racist against white people? That's the point of juxtaposition but that might have gone over your head. You're saying he was a systemic troll. I can't find anything that shows he's as bad as some people on here make him out to be. He's the antichrist! Oh he's the worst, he does this all the time!! OK well prove it. Uhh I have this one screenshot... while Leslie Jones says bigoted shit repeatedly. LOL. You guys are hilarious.

1) She didn't make those tweets. They were Photoshopped. He knew that and put them up

2) He's been banned repeatedly.

Do you guys seriously not know who Milo is? This is his entire schtick. The name of his speaking tour is "The Most Dangerous Faggot," with the "dangerous" part being because he's an asshole on Twitter. That's how he's made a name for himself.

Well, that, and saying that video games turn people into rapists and adult males that play video games live in basements and wear underpants covered in pee.

LOL you think all her shit was photoshopped? Do a modicum of research. She posts crap like that all the time and it's all archived. She told a 14yr old to go jack off because he said something like "You play a stereotype in ghost busters, it's quite depressing, i hope your future work gets better." Pretty reasonable statement and she flips out. It's funny that of all the people you guys try to defend it's someone who is equally trollish on twitter. Again, this whole thing is just a comedy to anyone who is nonpartisan.

I know the link is breitbart so you probably are afraid you'll burst into flames if you read it but just click the link. They link, to her twitter, many of the tweets you think are photoshopped.


http://www.breitbart.com/tech/2016/07/20/double-standards-leslie-jones-racist-twitter-history/

http://archive.is/tpMbv

So now that we have a list of all the shit that is evidently OK to say on twitter (along with recruiting for ISIS mind you), can you please post the things you believe led Milo to deserving to be banned for life?

I didn't say "all her shit," I said the particularly inflammatory things that Milo retweeted that she never said. That are in the link I posted.

What is it with GamerGater/anti-SJW types and seeing the word "all" where it doesn't exist?

So AGAIN, for the THIRD TIME, you still refuse to post to backup your claim that Milo is systemically posting inflammatory tweets, fine. You can lead someone to knowledge but you can't make them think. I get it. You want to just drink the kool aid and not think critically or fact check the articles you read. That's cool bro, enjoy doing that.

And the word "all" is appropriate because she said those things, and she isn't banned.

Milo's account is deleted. I'm not sure how you want me to get "proof" from an account that no longer exists.

And she did not say all those things, that tweet I linked is photoshopped.
 
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News Comments > Morning Metaverse
51. Re: Morning Metaverse Jul 20, 2016, 22:02 Beamer
 
Quboid wrote on Jul 20, 2016, 21:06:
Beamer wrote on Jul 20, 2016, 20:48:
As per the proof. Leslie Jones has a blue check. Those photoshopped tweets do not.

Blue ticks aren't displayed all the time. On someone's profile, the tick is at the top but not on each tweet. She claims they're fake, but she has posted plenty of trash. It wouldn't surprise me either way.

I'm not a Twitter master, but I've never seen a tweet in that view without the blue check. And I just tried a few different ways, couldn't get it to work.

The text on the bottom, delete/favorite, etc., doesn't seem to line up.
 
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48. Re: Morning Metaverse Jul 20, 2016, 20:49 Beamer
 
Seventyfive wrote on Jul 20, 2016, 20:29:
Beamer wrote on Jul 20, 2016, 20:02:
Seventyfive wrote on Jul 20, 2016, 19:49:
Beamer wrote on Jul 20, 2016, 18:36:
Quboid wrote on Jul 20, 2016, 18:32:
There's plenty of bullshit around feminism, anti-Trump attacks are disgusting and I'm sure some BLM people are racist but I am continually surprised by how quickly people, in a topic that blew up because they were sick of negative generalisations about gamers, so quickly do the same about these groups or even "the Left" as a whole. This is how language naturally works and generalisations are essential to communicate but it's so often clumsy and in shihonage's kool-aid fuelled rant, silly.

BLM in particular. It is not Only BLM, it is BLM Too - in this context, life mattering is defined as how often cops kill black or white people. It is focus, not exclusion.


Beamer wrote on Jul 20, 2016, 17:31:
Quboid - this is what I meant when I said people keep giving this excuse. "There are murderers with Twitter accounts." Yes, but they aren't murdering people on Twitter.

I get that. It was scarcely relevant in the first place, but the start of your comment says the opposite; that his defenders think it is a pattern and not one night.

Edit: "he photoshopped" - source?

Oh, crap. You're right, I had that reversed.

Oh, for the [Photoshop

LOL so his entire ban is one photoshopped tweet pointing out how it's totally ok to be racist against white people? That's the point of juxtaposition but that might have gone over your head. You're saying he was a systemic troll. I can't find anything that shows he's as bad as some people on here make him out to be. He's the antichrist! Oh he's the worst, he does this all the time!! OK well prove it. Uhh I have this one screenshot... while Leslie Jones says bigoted shit repeatedly. LOL. You guys are hilarious.

1) She didn't make those tweets. They were Photoshopped. He knew that and put them up

2) He's been banned repeatedly.

Do you guys seriously not know who Milo is? This is his entire schtick. The name of his speaking tour is "The Most Dangerous Faggot," with the "dangerous" part being because he's an asshole on Twitter. That's how he's made a name for himself.

Well, that, and saying that video games turn people into rapists and adult males that play video games live in basements and wear underpants covered in pee.

LOL you think all her shit was photoshopped? Do a modicum of research. She posts crap like that all the time and it's all archived. She told a 14yr old to go jack off because he said something like "You play a stereotype in ghost busters, it's quite depressing, i hope your future work gets better." Pretty reasonable statement and she flips out. It's funny that of all the people you guys try to defend it's someone who is equally trollish on twitter. Again, this whole thing is just a comedy to anyone who is nonpartisan.

I know the link is breitbart so you probably are afraid you'll burst into flames if you read it but just click the link. They link, to her twitter, many of the tweets you think are photoshopped.


http://www.breitbart.com/tech/2016/07/20/double-standards-leslie-jones-racist-twitter-history/

http://archive.is/tpMbv

So now that we have a list of all the shit that is evidently OK to say on twitter (along with recruiting for ISIS mind you), can you please post the things you believe led Milo to deserving to be banned for life?

I didn't say "all her shit," I said the particularly inflammatory things that Milo retweeted that she never said. That are in the link I posted.

What is it with GamerGater/anti-SJW types and seeing the word "all" where it doesn't exist?
 
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47. Re: Morning Metaverse Jul 20, 2016, 20:48 Beamer
 
Quboid wrote on Jul 20, 2016, 20:37:
Beamer wrote on Jul 20, 2016, 19:58:
Quboid wrote on Jul 20, 2016, 19:00:
Beamer wrote on Jul 20, 2016, 18:36:
Oh, for the [Photoshop

OK, so he screenshotted her tweets. She shouldn't be tweeting such crap.

She didn't. Those are photoshopped.

Where's the proof? Are you sure she didn't write those tweets and maybe delete?

I'm inclined to believe you because I trust you not to make stuff up or parrot nonsense and I certainly wouldn't put it past him but still, this is an unfounded accusation.

Criticising Milo is not defending Leslie Jones.

Agreed on the last part.

As per the proof. Leslie Jones has a blue check. Those photoshopped tweets do not.
 
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44. Re: Morning Metaverse Jul 20, 2016, 20:02 Beamer
 
Seventyfive wrote on Jul 20, 2016, 19:49:
Beamer wrote on Jul 20, 2016, 18:36:
Quboid wrote on Jul 20, 2016, 18:32:
There's plenty of bullshit around feminism, anti-Trump attacks are disgusting and I'm sure some BLM people are racist but I am continually surprised by how quickly people, in a topic that blew up because they were sick of negative generalisations about gamers, so quickly do the same about these groups or even "the Left" as a whole. This is how language naturally works and generalisations are essential to communicate but it's so often clumsy and in shihonage's kool-aid fuelled rant, silly.

BLM in particular. It is not Only BLM, it is BLM Too - in this context, life mattering is defined as how often cops kill black or white people. It is focus, not exclusion.


Beamer wrote on Jul 20, 2016, 17:31:
Quboid - this is what I meant when I said people keep giving this excuse. "There are murderers with Twitter accounts." Yes, but they aren't murdering people on Twitter.

I get that. It was scarcely relevant in the first place, but the start of your comment says the opposite; that his defenders think it is a pattern and not one night.

Edit: "he photoshopped" - source?

Oh, crap. You're right, I had that reversed.

Oh, for the [Photoshop

LOL so his entire ban is one photoshopped tweet pointing out how it's totally ok to be racist against white people? That's the point of juxtaposition but that might have gone over your head. You're saying he was a systemic troll. I can't find anything that shows he's as bad as some people on here make him out to be. He's the antichrist! Oh he's the worst, he does this all the time!! OK well prove it. Uhh I have this one screenshot... while Leslie Jones says bigoted shit repeatedly. LOL. You guys are hilarious.

1) She didn't make those tweets. They were Photoshopped. He knew that and put them up

2) He's been banned repeatedly.

Do you guys seriously not know who Milo is? This is his entire schtick. The name of his speaking tour is "The Most Dangerous Faggot," with the "dangerous" part being because he's an asshole on Twitter. That's how he's made a name for himself.

Well, that, and saying that video games turn people into rapists and adult males that play video games live in basements and wear underpants covered in pee.
 
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43. Re: Morning Metaverse Jul 20, 2016, 19:58 Beamer
 
Quboid wrote on Jul 20, 2016, 19:00:
Beamer wrote on Jul 20, 2016, 18:36:
Oh, for the [Photoshop

OK, so he screenshotted her tweets. She shouldn't be tweeting such crap.

She didn't. Those are photoshopped.
 
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37. Re: Morning Metaverse Jul 20, 2016, 18:36 Beamer
 
Quboid wrote on Jul 20, 2016, 18:32:
There's plenty of bullshit around feminism, anti-Trump attacks are disgusting and I'm sure some BLM people are racist but I am continually surprised by how quickly people, in a topic that blew up because they were sick of negative generalisations about gamers, so quickly do the same about these groups or even "the Left" as a whole. This is how language naturally works and generalisations are essential to communicate but it's so often clumsy and in shihonage's kool-aid fuelled rant, silly.

BLM in particular. It is not Only BLM, it is BLM Too - in this context, life mattering is defined as how often cops kill black or white people. It is focus, not exclusion.


Beamer wrote on Jul 20, 2016, 17:31:
Quboid - this is what I meant when I said people keep giving this excuse. "There are murderers with Twitter accounts." Yes, but they aren't murdering people on Twitter.

I get that. It was scarcely relevant in the first place, but the start of your comment says the opposite; that his defenders think it is a pattern and not one night.

Edit: "he photoshopped" - source?

Oh, crap. You're right, I had that reversed.

Oh, for the [Photoshop

This comment was edited on Jul 20, 2016, 18:43.
 
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35. Re: Morning Metaverse Jul 20, 2016, 18:29 Beamer
 
Cpmartins wrote on Jul 20, 2016, 17:56:
Beamer wrote on Jul 20, 2016, 17:39:
Timmeh wrote on Jul 20, 2016, 17:33:
Why is SHE not banned? Why?

Because she doesn't have a lengthy history of this.


This isn't hard. You have two employees, one who always gives you reports with errors and one who never does. One day, they both do. You fire the guy who always does. He whines "why didn't you fire the other guy?"

You laugh in his face, right? Or do you say "oh, you're right, I should enforce the rules equally" and fire them both?
"This" what? Mild banter?
Are you retarded?
Maybe one guy gives you reports that aren't quite accurate. The other tells you to go fuck yourself. Which do you fire?

"Mild banter?"

He was posting screenshots of tweets he photoshopped to attribute to her. That's "mild banter?"

 
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32. Re: Morning Metaverse Jul 20, 2016, 17:50 Beamer
 
Cutter wrote on Jul 20, 2016, 17:45:
It's always comical when the worst trolls on Blues are complaining about other people.

At the end of the day all those sites like Twitter are private property. Their house, their rules, period. That jackass doesn't like it then go out and build a competing service and see how that goes over. It's like the old expression in the bar business at closing, you don't have to go home, you just can't stay here.

Yup.

And Twitter may suffer for it. Twitter is suffering already, regardless. But losing Milo is likely not going to speed that up. If anything, it slows it down. Getting rid of the customer you, and your customers, do not like is usually beneficial, not detrimental.

Milo will get hurt more, because his entire living right now is basically predicated on his being able to raise people's ire. Without Twitter, that becomes very difficult. Twitter is one of the few places where you can preach to the masses, rather than the choir. Breitbart, Facebook, YouTube, Snapchat, etc.? All places solely for preaching to the choir.
 
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