Yes, I agree on some points you have here, just that you and I are somewhat old school when it comes to fps, although as I said there were plenty of cheats back then, just more now cause time has spawned many more, and because they cant win against truly good players without cheats, a for real point. I just think that if you are waiting for something better, it may be a long wait, most games now have been done over again and again, fps, rpg etc to the point that it is hard to believe that any new ideas exist out there. I mean the only reason carmack is doing Doom again is because no one wants another quake again, it is just part of the american way to capitilize on something once it is successful, like movies, they make things like lethal weapon 1,2,3 and so on, it does not mean it is a bad movie, just popular enough to make another. I dont forsee any kind of really great creativity out there except the war shooters, like dod, or cs or the online games like bf1942 which give you a host of things to do other than just shoot, and the ONLY reason those are popular at ALL is cause they give you a different kind or more realistic view with a mission to be achieved. I really liked Medal of Honor for its reality check, very nice indeed, but i am a long time fan of unreal and will always support there games unless and i mean UNLESS they do another ut, then i will quit buying there ut games, but love what they brought to the table with the fps genre, they at the time were the only one who gave the game a real depth of view appoach, like you could look and snipe half mile away, very nice for sure.

This comment was edited on Sep 22, 06:08.

To no. 79's comment, yeah it did take some skill back then, but come on now, you still had the rocket launcher and you still had alot of splash damage, so as far as just skill, i disagree, you could stay alive more than just ten seconds as well, as far as all those old timers are concerned, the ones you say are so skilled, well alot of them cheated as well, though I will admitt to the fact that skill was important, it still is today, even in ut2k3. I too came up on games like doom and q1 etc but like everything in life there is always someone better than you in gaming, but there were alot of code cheats as well, as i am sure you are aware of also. And what about the chain gun etc you did not need alot of skill to use that, i think the skill you are really talkin about is sniping, now that was a skilled warrior, it took skill to snipe and kill 9 out of 10 times, but todays games are still as good if you just give them the time to learn different skills.

This comment was edited on Sep 20, 20:40.

I agree on this point, the game is new and the style of play is like all fps games, but dont put it down till the final version is out, and dont pass judgement on the game by playin the demo, you only get a few maps so you can get the feel of it, but i mean you cant shoot it down on demo, try the whole thing then decide. Also, what is so wrong with games gettin more realistic, is that not what you want when you play, or should we go back to the days of 3d games that really look like 2d, I myself want more realism and faster play in all games, a shooter is a shooter true, but you dont win shooters on luck, you got to practice to be good at anything, I have played them all Q1,Q2,Q3,DoD,CS,Doom etc and still play the classics to this day, but back then graphics were poor but skill is timeless, no skill no will. Lets not forget alot of these games would not be possible without huge leaps in graphics cards etc, and I like change in a game like UT2, whats the use of makin the same game without changes to artwork and characters, now that I would not buy, just my 2 cents for what it is worth.