I have yet to check out the new demo, but I strongly disagree with those in this thread who are bashing the first IGI. I LOVED it. The only thing that really bugged me about it was the lack of a save game. That became very frustrating. But I liked the wide open spaces and emphasis on sniping enemies. I'm looking forward to the demo for IGI2 and witholding my opinion until I see it for myself.

Yes, the frame rate did suck at some points (someone mentioned that it slowed inside buildings - for me everything indoors was perfectly smooth. It was flying around in the copter that slowed things down. I've got an aging AMD 1 gig, with a Geforce 4600.) And yes, the enemy AI at close range was pretty poor ... But even so I still got a kick out of the game. Pretty intense action and it captured something of the feel from the movie. If they can tweak the slow downs I may be buying this one.

"I have news for you, they all lie, they all cheat, they all steal. They both have mouthpieces in the media."

Yes, politicians on both sides lie. But it is the COVERAGE of those lies that is at issue here. You use the "they're all bad" argument to avoid the central point.
During the last presidential campaign, Gore was REPEATEDLY branded a liar, a joke, in the "liberal" media. But the lies Gore was said to have told were exaggerations on things that were true. For instance, when Gore claimed that he and his wife were the couple on which the novel Love Story was based, the "liberal media" had a field day over yet another Gore "lie." Well, it turned out (but was far less reported) that the book's author DID base the male character on Gore, but the female character was partially based on someone else. Oooh, what a "liar" Gore was.
Same thing with the Love Canal story. Gore spoke at a high school, and the Washington Post reporter who covered his talk quoted him as saying about Love Canal, "I was the one who started it all," meaning he was the one who found out about it and started the investigation.
It took the school kids in the audience to point out that Gore had said "THAT was the one that had started it all," meaning Love Canal was the first of many well-publicized toxic waste scandals. The Post reporter eventually admitted her quote was wrong but never apologized. Why should she, after all, we all know Gore is such a “liar” anyway, right?
Meanwhile, during the debates, Bush lies openly about his record in Texas in front of millions of people and presumably a few reporters, claiming he supported health insurance proposals he actually opposed, etc.
If the "liberal media" wanted to, they could have easily jumped all over Bush for this, since it would be easy to show he was lying just by looking at his record. But they did not. They did nothing.
I know. I watched the debates, and then I watched the coverage. Bush had lied, and paid no price for it whatsoever.
That's the difference. Another example: If Bill Clinton lies about his sex life, he is crucified in an endless media orgy, with the graphic details of his sex acts published on the internet for all to read. If Bush lies about his record, or, more recently, the "evidence" that Iraq is a threat to the U.S., you barely hear a word.
So, one side lies, and the whole world knows about it. The other side lies, and the "liberal" media look the other way.

That bias toward liberals (Clinton was in fact a moderate who stole many of his ideas from the Republicans, but that is a whole new topic) is completely left out of your "they're all bad" argument.


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One of the most common, most repeated, conservative myths, is the myth of liberal media. As with most deeply held conservative beliefs, the exact opposite is in fact, true.

The mainstream media is moderate to conservative, NOT liberal. More and more media outlets are in the hands of a few giant media corporations. The idea that these corporations are somehow promoting a "liberal bias" is laughable. Even now, under Bush, the FCC is moving to further deregulate the industry, which will only make things worse for a "free press." If Bush has his way, the same billionaire, or corporation controled by that billionaire, will soon be able to own every newspaper and every cable station in a single area. Oh yeah. The "liberal" media will really be in power then!

I remember when Reagan was in office, and some in the media dared to report that his plan to gut school lunch programs for the poor (the same thing Bush is doing, by the way,) "might" have a "negative effect" on some children - which is like reporting that not having enough food to eat "might" have a "negative effect" on your health.
The Rush Limbaughs of the world cried bloody murder. "Liberal media! Liberal media!"
Bullshit.

ABC, CBS, NBC, The New York Times, etc, beat the shit out of Clinton the entire time he was in office. All we heard about was one phoney "scandal" after another, Whitewater, Travelgate, Filegate, etc, all fed directly into the media by conservative spin meisters. So-called "Independent" counsel Ken Star spent $40 million of taxpayer money investigating every aspect of the above, and the best he could up with was proving that Clinton lied about having sex with an intern.
Pundits at the time claimed it was only natural that Clinton's sexual escapades receive endless 24/7 coverage, because, after all, this was a "juicy story," and the public naturally wanted to know all about the semen stained dress and the cigar.
But that excuse doesn't work for Whitewater, which was about an obscure real estate deal that went bad, and which Star, despite all those millions, was never able to use to prove Clinton did anything illegal (which is why Star turned to the "blowjob investigation")
Nevertheless, despite the fact that Whitewater was not "sexy," it too was featured in endless amounts of newscoverage, and endless editiorials in "liberal" papers like the Times.

When Gore ran against Bush for the White House, the "liberal media" did the same thing - they beat the shit out of Gore, Gore was called a liar, a "serial exagerator."
Meanwhile, Bush lied often and openly, and paid no political price for it whatsoever.

Bush took office promising an end to "the scandals of the past." He knew what he was talking about. The media have adopted a hands-off policy toward him from the begining.

Yes, I know, all you conservatives are having heart attacks right now, foaming at the mouth, etc.

But it's true. Just looking at the fucking news coverage about the coming invasion of Iraq. Bush has not produced one single piece of CREDIBLE evidence that Iraq poses a threat to the U.S., much less one that demands an invasion, even as U.S. troops are massing for war right now. Does the media investigate just what the hell is going on here? Are you kidding? All they do - and I'm talking ABC, CBS, NBC,
The New York Times - is repeat the official Bush line. "White House officials say ..." The White House Press Corps might as well consist of a bunch of parrots.

Guess what conservatives? There IS a liberal media out there. But you'll never find it televised on ABC or any of the others, or in the pages of the Times.

Want to know what liberals think? Trying checking out an issue of magazines like The Nation or The Progressive. Those are real liberal media sources, and the difference between them and ABC, etc, couldn't be more obvious.

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Just more right-wing Fox propaganda. "We report you decide," my ass. For those who don't know "junk science" is a code word conservatives use for science they don't like, just like "fuzzy math" is the term Bush uses to describe numbers he doesn't like.
While some of the examples may indeed show scientists acting silly, the clue to what's going on here is the entry on man-made global warming, which the vast majority of scientists agree is a real and increasing threat. Of course Fox news, being so "unbiased," agrees with big business, which sees efforts to combat global warming as a threat to their bank accounts.
Speaking of junk science, the Bush administration is now using political litmus tests on its scientific employees. Didn't vote for Bush? Believe abortion should be legal? Oh, we can't appoint you, you must be practicing "junk science."

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Great to know that you listened to The Clash and The Ramones too, Blue. For some reason I didn't have you pegged as a punk rock kind of guy. Missed several chances to see the Ramones but I saw the Clash (without Mick Jones) twice, once opening for The Who.
It's sad to know that bands like Blink 182 and Sum-whatever now represent punk to much of the listening public out there. Oh well. Some of us know different.

How can you patch something that is already perfect?

Yeah, I saw that 8 out of 10 rating for Sniper, thought 'No way!' and immediately went to make a post but saw that you had beat me to it ... Can this one reviewer be right, and all those other reviewers be wrong? Judging from the screenshots, I'd say not ...

I think there are a lot of people in the world who wouldn't, as one poster said, "lose any sleep" over running over an animal.
Those people are creeps, Blue.
What this proves is that you're not a creep. You're a good guy. I understand why you feel the way you do because I'd feel exactly the same way, and so would any decent person.
Hitting a dog with your car is just a bad thing, period. But, as others have pointed out, in this situation there was nothing you could do. In fact, you HAVE done what you could do. You felt bad about it, and that's all you could do - besides sharing your story with us.
I admire the way you've aired your torment over what happened with your readers instead of just trying to block it out of your mind. Keep up with the good work, Blue.

You know, I read about Blue's terrible experience, and then I read through this entire thread, and I was surprised and happy to see no one responded like an asshole. On the internet, on ANY subject, even a sad one like this, that's very unusual.

Then I got to LarryLaffer's (Laffman's) post.

I guess there always has to be one.

Jim





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