Beamer wrote on Sep 2, 2019, 00:41:
NotOneOfUs wrote on Sep 1, 2019, 21:38:
Beamer wrote on Sep 1, 2019, 21:21:
No one here seemed to be too upset when Weinstein got destroyed.
Because Ambra Gutierrez worked with the police to obtain this thing called "evidence." This evidence was made public and gave enormous credibility to other accusations.
I have seen enough of false accusations resulting in destroyed careers and lives. I'm at the point of "put up or shut up." If you don't want to pursue the difficulty of gathering something concrete on your aggressor, then I have no inclination to believe you, and will treat any unsubstantiated accusation as, at best, not worthwhile of being given attention.
These things were said about Weinstein for decades. Had it been taken more seriously, maybe it could have been avoided for some.
Meanwhile, again, all you people making this political fail to offer what evidence can be given. Even for rape. What evidence do you think there is after a rape?
"We need evidence," they cry, though they can't offer hypothetical evidence and have clearly never followed an actual rape trial.
I'm apolitical. I find political ideologies to be inherently faulty due to them requiring ideal conditions, which do not exist.
As for rape and evidence: what's your alternative? Listen and believe? Humans lie about anything and everything. People will lie for money, for fame, for attention, for the feeling of power over another, for the feeling of actually doing something in their lives, or even for... nothing. Just, tell a lie, wonder a few moments later why they told that lie. That's humanity.
We have due process for many good reasons, one of which is so people don't have their lives ruined because of mere talk. Social justice goes around due process (and rather has quite some disdain for the concept, along with others). This opens up for cliques and mob mentality to exert control over individuals and groups who can be lied about and painted as "wrong."
Rape cases are difficult, simply due to the nature of the crime. You do what you can, but you don't just go by someone's word, else you get cases like Brian Banks.