Surely if they included a quicksave you could still play the way you do, by not pressing the button.

Amen, I guess options scare and confuse some people. If some of you are such 'masters' of FPS immersion then just pretend the quick-save button doesn't exist.

Well, I just played to level 6 almost 7, I was PK'ed ZERO times (in a period right before a player wipe), everybody was helpful and others in the area would call out where the PK's were. The graphics were nice, the gameplay was pretty smooth. It seems like a nice logical next step from UO (but a real lack of Crafting Skills). I'm not going to say the game is great just yet but I will take advantge of the free open beta and hold my judgement till the end of that period. It's not even close to being as bad as previous posters have stated.

And that that's what - 10 seconds? A minute on dialup?

And your assuming that Steam will be able to handle the load the first week while people HAVE TO connect through Steam to play a SP game. What if Steam fails? Now you can't play an offline SP game? Who knows how long it would take for Valve to bring Steam back up? Now you may not even be able to play the SP game for days or even weeks. How fucking stupid is that? Yeah, real fucking stupid. Obviously I stating a worse case scenerio, but it's also not out of the realm of possibility. God, it's just so fucking stupid. FYI, Micorsoft gives you a healthy amount of time to activte your software product so you CAN use it for quite a while w/o registering. I'm pretty sure Gabe said you HAD TO conenct to Steam before you can even play HL2 SP.

I dont think its that people are afraid to hunt eachother in MMORPGs...its that while you are trying to level up on NPC monsters, some asshole PK attacks you from behind while you are in mid fight.

A poster below told you why such drastic PK'ing is going on, people don't care right now as their characters are about to be wiped. The poster below also stated the penalties for PK'ing are steep, and they sound much worse then UO's and I didn't think UO ws that rampant. At the end of EQ's Beta 4 we (the server) had MASSIVE (God vs God etc) PvP Battles (everybody cashed in thier Priest of Discord Notes) and just ganked like crazy, it was quite fun, then release went back to carebear goodness.. *yawn*. This happened in UO quite a bit also, there were also invis people waiting to gank you right outside teh cities, but you learn to adapt and get smarter. It makes the game challenging and literally never boring. There were times that I got frustrated when pk'ed while fighting NPC Mobs certainly, but that mostly happened when I was solo hunting/Animal Taming but when I had a decent group with me there was generally no problems. I'm not defending Lineage 2 per se, I'm just saying that games like EQ are for the most part pretty 3D IRC programs that just don't take much fore-thought or stragedy to play.

Play the game after the wipe and then come back and judge. I haven't played it yet but I am installing the client as we speak, I look forward to checking out a MMO with balls again. I may not even like it

How do some of you people play games like UT2K4? Do you pull the Bots to a corner and slaughter them for countless hours? Oh yeah, yippe. And why are some of you crying about a MMO that has PvP? I mean, come on, it's a dying breed now, the world is made up of soft parenting and people who can't get over loosing bitmap property, I mean, the stuff isn't even friggin real people, so what if you loose a sword.. oh no, life is over. What are people going to do when some of these MMO's pull the plug... gah! I don't even want to think about it. At it's prime (pre-carebear), UO was one of the best games I have ever played, I wasn't a PK'er, though I'd fight when it came time to do so and some of those battles were just way intense wether I was powned or not. EQ was a good game but I missed the suspense of fighting out in the wilderness knowing that trouble was every where, UO was never boring outside the cities (and even the cities could be dangerous). Man, there's nothing more exciting then human vs human combat in games, people just need to get over loosing stuff. Plus, you can always join a guild and have MUCH better protection, I just don't see the problem, 99.9 % of MMO's are carebear MMO's already, why can't people who are not afraid to fight other intelligent MOBs have an MMO? I'm happy L2 is pure PvP, I'm gonna give it a try, maybe it'll suck me back into MMo's again, personally I'm tired of boring MMO's where you pull mindless MOBs that have dictated patterns to a corner to slaugter for countless boring hours... all yours

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Just imagine when *popular MMO* comes out and the servers go down and no one can play... picture how many angry gamers there will be! Oh noes!

Jeez, talk about comparing Apples and Oranges. When I buy a SINGLE PLAYER game, I don't expect some intrusive Content 'Push' system to deny me of playing an OFFLINE game. MMO's are purely Online, if servers go down then you are SOL, not sure why the same priciple has to be applied to a pure SP game, stupid. Who cares if it's subscription or not, it's still an un-needed layer of crap.

Not many, because you can play HL2 (single player) without being connected to Steam.

Last I heard, even if you buy it from a store, you have to connect to Valves servers via STEAM at least once to even play the SP version of HL2.

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It makes sense for the same to happen to games as they become more and more complex.

I'm not really sure how Steam itself addresses the complexity of games as it's only a content delivery system.

I have no problem with Steam as long as I can run the game offline and disable the updates if I choose and now you can do both of those.

I agree, but are you saying you don't even have to have Steam installed to run HL2, aka 'run the game offline and disable the updates', if thats the case then choosing to install Steam at all should be optional... but isn't Valve 'making' us use Steam to run HL2??? I'm not sure why I should 'have' to install a Content Delivery System to play a game, it's just really dumb IMO.

Personally I think the whole Steam thing is huge overkill for a 'game'. I can picture many uses for this technology in other business segments but for me this is just to intrusive and overkill just for a game. My personal 'conspiracy theory' is that Valve is just using HL2 customers as guinea pigs to sell Steam to other market segments. I could do without it and am still Steam free!

No, have you tried onslaught? Yeah the DM and CTF modes are dull, but get the demo and try the onslaught mode if you haven't already.

With UT2K4, Onslaught is what is pushing the game sales so hard (and maybe Assualt to a very minor extent) and EPIC didn't even innovate the concept, these poeple did: http://www.beyondunreal.com/content/articles/84_1.php

So the best part of UT2K4 is not even theres... hehe.

With the inclusion, you meant to say surely?

No doubt. I'll be the first to admit that I am enjoying Onslaught but only because it reminds me of Tribes, and only a 'light' version of Tribes at that. UT2K4 is simply an expansion of UT2K3, so it's nothing revolutionary, but it isn't terrible either.

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Nice!

Sounds like you covered all the bases there wasp, heh. Personally, I think it's funny that people complain about a 'save anywhere' scheme, I mean, who the fuck is making you them use the functionality? If a person feels like it's cheating then don't use it, jesus. Personally, I need the 'save anywhere' option as I may have to jump off the PC to attend household needs. I love how people can't deal with options, it's like a radio or tv show, if you don't like it turn the station/channel, likewise, if you think a 'save anywhere' scheme takes away from the realism of a 'game' then don't use it, simple as that.

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I'm going back today and praying it's not gone.

Good luck I went to Best Buy in Southern New Hampshire at store opening today at 10:00 AM, they had 20 copies of SE, gone in 1 minute, there was a crowd there just for that game, glad I didn't wait till lunch to go get it. The SE is a great deal at $20 (with rebate), might be hard to find dude, but good luck.

Heh, just got the SE Edition at Best Buy, was there right at opening and a line was forming at the doors, 20 copies gone in mere seconds, craziness. It was funny, one mom grabbed the box, held it chest high and exclaimed loudly "Yes!", I was like, huh? Wasn't sure if she was a fragger or what, but to see a mom type get all excited was funny.

EVE online has about 7k players online at any given time

Ha! 7k players is about two of EQ's 20 servers running, 7k isn't really that much when compared to the big boys. You'll have little niche games like EVE Online around but it'll be like the fast food industry with 2 or 3 'winners', EQ 2, WoW and Lineage 2 will probably dominate the market with CoH probably getting some love from people who are sick of Elves and Dwarfs. With these 3 or 4 big name MMO titles coming out, or already out, there won't be much player base to pull from. PlanetSide is next

Is it just me or are some of you here lame?

Someone give me a pin, wanna show you how to properly pop a balloon.

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maby we should make a Blues News clan...

I'd be into that!

#4

Ahh, I see, so you have to go to a physical store like EB and put money down... I wonder if thats refundable or if it's actually paying for the beta disc. Hmm, to much work already, heh.

Although for $30, it is a screaming good value / bang for the entertainment buck.

And $20.00 (Best Buy $29.99 /w $10 rebate) for those of us who mistakenly bought UT2K3 and hoped for vehicles at that release (which it was supposed to have). Is UT2K4 something to write home about? No. It's only slightly better then UT2K3 but Onslaught and the return of Assault make it worth the $20 till the other games (HL2, Doom 3 and Tribes: V) come out. Haven't tried the BF x games so I can't compare. But it's hard to say no to a mainstream $20 game. Plus, I'm pleased that Epic pulled down their pants and grabbed there ankles for the slighted fans (by the price model). But please Epic, take your time on the next UT game, never mind this once a year crap, don't come knocking at my door with UT2K5, k? Thx.

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I have never pre-ordered a game before so I have a question about it... Can you cancel a pre-order w/o penalty? So, for example, I could pre-order CoH, play the Beta then cancel the pre-order w/o a restock charge etc? Just wondering. Interesting Marketing ploy to get people to pre-order.