Honestly, I'm already bored as hell with this game, or more specifically, ONS (as I never even wasted my time with the UT2K3 leftovers). I'm glad I only paid $20 for it. I did enjoy ONS for the first few weeks but it is just so limited and feels like a very small subset of what Tribes 2 brings to the table (Vehicle based team play). I wonder how well this game would have done without ONS... probably not very.

So you'll have to grind to get the skills to pilot the ship, grind to get the money for the ship. I highly doubt they'd just "give you a ship" as much fun as that would be, cause if they did I'd go back to SWG just for this expansion after seening the demonstration of it at Celebration II in Indy.

Oh... yuck... so you have to grind time in the regular game to be able to fly the ships in this expansion huh? Well that settles that.. heh.

I'm holding out for the free trial of CoH (if one indeed comes out).

I't be cool if Lucas Arts would just rip off Microsofts Alliegence and replace it with Star Wars fighters (much like SW: Battlefront is ripping off BF 1942). This certainly does make Galaxies look better and 'if' they do it really cool then I'll have to consider checking it out, I mean, I paid $10 to play Alliegence so why not a few more bucks to play a Star Wars version of it?

I agree TheNarcis, most game have a level grind wether you pay to play or not, it just comes down to what a person thinks is fun.

Isn't SWG skill based?

I haven't played MP just yet as I want to beat the SP game first. I've loved the Demo's and I'm 2/5 to 3/5 done with the SP and still love it. Comes down to taste obvisously, but this reminds me of Doom 2 with it's dark atmosphere and eerie ambient sound effects and throw in some 'minor' Serious Sam influence in some rooms and for me, at least, it's a dam fun game. It's a nice change of pace to laugh once and while while playing a game.

Depends on how you define "original". The "ORIGINAL" trilogy (i.e., without the special edition features) will not be on these DVDs.

Oh.. really? Ok, I'm not so happy then, I thought I read somewhere that the first released trilogy would be put on DVD's, so I thought this was that offering... oh well, not into this 'second' release of the trilogy.

Maybe it was the lucas arts emailer, or maybe star wars emailer that I saw an interview with someone who did this DVD shit and he said that the 'real' original trilogy would be put on DVD after this updated version was out for a bit.

I like it, I look forward to trying SW Battlefronts out... and of course owning the ORIGINAL SW Trilogy on DVD.

does this one come with an actual story?

According to PC Gamer, yes, it does actually have a story this time. And it makes sense, they had to develop the engine and the game for DS 1, this time they can concentrate on the game itself, DS 2. I will certainly give GPG a second chance, DS 1 was very pretty, put a good game on top of that and lookout.

This game didn't look to bad in PC Gamer. I do think the 1st implementation absolutely sucked though.

Yikes, sounds like I should just wait till they at least have a 'free trial version'.

Thanks for everyone's feedback

City of Heroes is really making me VERY curious. From what I have read, it has low downtime (my most hated 'feature' of MMO's), not such a bad Level Tread Mill, and allows you to have Side-Kicks who can, however lower, still group with you and gain decent xp. Can anyone who has Beta'd CoH comment or let me know if these traits are true? Any other good or bad words to say about it?

Yeah... go for that bait... take it... good fishes...

And my favourite bug was when I was performing back-breaker on a Priest of Sakura, which simultaneously getting attacked by his pals.

That sentence cracked me up, giving a Priest (even if evil) a back-breaker just sounds so wrong... LoL!

They stiffed me for $60 on returning a video card, too...

Ouch, re-stock fee I'm guessing for a $400 Card, that sucks.

Best Bi and Comp-USA...open software can ONLY be exchanged for the exact same title.

Not calling you a liar or anything nin but I know for a fact that I have gotten another title at compUSA on a return exchange w/ the box open. I had bought my ex-girlfriend a copy of Laura Crofts "Tomb Raider Gold" or something like that, we got home, realized the game sucked, drove back to compUSA, went to the CS Counter and told them I want to return it and get another Title as I was not satisfied with the one I purchased, I think I told them that the game had internal software problems and there was no patch to fix it. I don't know, maybe I got lucky I guess but I got no arguement. *shrugs*

EDIT - Yeah, I looked at a Best Buy and the compUSA reciepts that I have and they do say you can only exchange for the same title, I guess this trys to stop the powergamer from going home, playing the game 10 hrs straight (as most new games can be completed in) and then returning it for a new one, rinse and repeat. Like I said, I must have gotten lucky. Looks like I'll be buying all my games from EB from now on as they have a retailer friendly return policy.

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Hmm, well, I would be buying it to do co-op multi-player, thats where I had the most fun with both Diablo games. Maybe I'll wait just a bit seeing as most of the bugs are derived from MP, I'll watch forums and then make a decision to buy I guess.

Thanks all for your advice

WITHOUT informing you of that fact before your non-refundable purchase.

Where you buying games from? Most places I buy from have a 14 day return policy. While they may not always give cash back, you can usually at least get a gift voucher to get something else. I'd be interested to here of the place you buy games at.

So... maybe I should wait a while to buy this game? I picked up the box at compUSA the other day, the charcters you get to play look cool anyways.

Any words of advise??

I am. I'm having fun. Are you?

Hell yeah. PainKiller is a fun game. To bad some people are going to forgo it because of SafeDisk, so I guess you won't buy Doom3 or HL2 if it uses SafeDisk eh? Uh huh.

Of course I died and ended up as a ghost or something in a weird dark place 30Km from my corpse. Couldn't find any obvious way to get back so I gave up for the day.

Oh yeah! Time Sink, gotta love those

#49 -

I totally agree that the monthly subscription price is way to high nowadays, I thought UO at $9.99 a month was crazy way back when but after reading some budget analysis on how much it cost to run these MMO's $10 is really not that bad, and hey, business are in business to make money so don't condem a buisness that has a good working model for profit. These buisnesses will keep pushing the boundries till they find the buyers saturation point and then it will finally level out, so I wouldn't be surprised to see MMO's coming close to $20 a month with E2 and WoW coming out. I think it was DAoC that ws the first MMO to break the $10 barrier by charging $12.99 a month at their launch, so we should thank them for the subscription increases :).

I think paying for how much you play is a fantastic idea, however, the player should have to at least pay a base fee of something like $5 to cover server maintenance and other facility costs that the hosting company will incur just to run the MMO, which is substantially higher then those said games like CS, BF, TF or even NWN 'persistant' world which I think caps out at 64 players per world. Believe me, if NWN allowed worlds of 3000+ people it would not be free, only a person like Donald Trump would have the wallet to pay for that bandwitdh and Servers to keep it free.

Now as far as a large group cancelling their subscription together, I don't think that will happen. I have seen threads that state such plans on pretty much all the major MMO's forums but the simple fact is, is that 99% of the players are more than happy to pay the fee because they love the game.

Now there will be a MMO'ish type game coming out called Guild Wars that WILL NOT have a monthly subscription. They are going to depend on massive amounts of sales of their Game Client and future purchases of Expansion Products. Is this a better value? I don't know really, depends on how much they charge for the expansions and how often they come out. If they come out lets say every 6 months but charge $50 for the expansion then you be paying ~ $100 a year to play it as compared to CoH at ~ $230 (for the first year) and then ~ $179 a year after that. So I guess Guild Wars could possibly save the consumer ~ $79 a year. However, from what I have read, GW is not directly comparable to these large MMO's as it's a game that will allow Guild Wars of 8 v 8, not quite the same as a Tower/Castle Siege from DAoC or L2. So GW will not give some users the same satisfaction of large group warfare like L2, DAoC, EQ etc.

So the answer to it all is... MMO fanatics will set the bar as to where the monthly subscription fee increases stop and level out, not the 1% casual gamer population, unfortunately.