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News Comments > Oculus Facing Political Backlash [Updated]
175. Re: Oculus Facing Political Backlash [Updated] Sep 26, 2016, 20:47 Quboid
 
Orogogus wrote on Sep 26, 2016, 19:49:
Quboid wrote on Sep 26, 2016, 19:18:
Orogogus wrote on Sep 26, 2016, 19:09:
Free speech and tolerance are two different things. You brought up free speech. Porn and I said tolerance, which is a liberal byword.

Free speech is the issue at hand. You brought up something irrelevant.

I don't think it's irrelevant, in or out this thread. I think free speech is a non-issue, since as people have pointed out, everything is free speech. There's nothing to argue about there.

But when people throughout the thread have been talking about the hypocrisy of the left, it's been about the tolerance issue. If someone supports an opinion that you don't believe in, are you able to say, that's his right, and move on? Do we want employers to employ litmus tests before hiring to make sure new hires believe the right things and wear the right hats before they're allowed to work there?

Slick and the Infinitely Prolonged can use free speech as a defense, but what's the virtue in going after Oculus? You can argue he's a public face, but I think the thing about "public faces" is that basically anyone can become a public face once the Internet bites down. Yesterday it was Mozilla's CEO. Today's it's a cofounder with extremely vague responsibilities. A few months ago it was some PR employee at Nintendo. Anyone can come under the Internet's scrutiny, which makes them all public faces.

And anyway, that whole argument is kind of saying that you'll use the power of the mob responsibly, only when it's really warranted. Free speech means you have the right to act this way, but it doesn't explain why. The underlying question is, what's good about basing your opinion of a company or its products on the things its employees do? Liberals recognize that as a lousy way to judge a religion or a country, isn't this a similar issue?

Back when this was Luckey's Kickstarter, or before Oculus was bought by Facebook, I could see this as a pragmatic issue. If you donate to his Kickstarter, it might succeed and then he might get rich and donate a tiny percentage of his wealth to Trump. But that ship has sailed.

OK, I think I see what you mean regarding tolerance and why it is relevant. But what you describe ("that's his right, and move on") isn't tolerance, it's more like apathy. I can't be tolerant and inclusive if I see racism and "move on". If I tolerate Muslims and Islamophobes, tolerate LGBT people and homophobes, tolerate black people and the KKK ... well then I just don't stand for anything.

A public face is someone who tries to be public and is supposed to be publicly associated with the company. Random employees happen to work at a company; public faces represent the company.

Also, there is no mob.

I don't intend to avoid Oculus products BTW, I think it's childish and pointless. But I tolerate people's right to.
 
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News Comments > Oculus Facing Political Backlash [Updated]
169. Re: Oculus Facing Political Backlash [Updated] Sep 26, 2016, 19:24 Quboid
 
Slick wrote on Sep 26, 2016, 19:19:
As if he's just a lowly programmer working in the bowels of a machine that isn't HIS COMPANY. Give me a break, you can't be that ignorant.

If Ronald McDonald started farting in every 3rd quarter-pounder, then I'd probably not eat at McDonalds. That's my right, my freedom.

It's Facebook's company, but he is a public face of it. If Ronald McDonald starting farting in burgers then his actions would directly affect you as a customer, that's not comparable.
 
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News Comments > Oculus Facing Political Backlash [Updated]
167. Re: Oculus Facing Political Backlash [Updated] Sep 26, 2016, 19:18 Quboid
 
Orogogus wrote on Sep 26, 2016, 19:09:
Free speech and tolerance are two different things. You brought up free speech. Porn and I said tolerance, which is a liberal byword.

Free speech is the issue at hand. You brought up something irrelevant. I think that was Beamer's point.

Their loudest followers want nothing better than to be part of a mob to hound people who believe and act differently than they do

Yes, of course. We're talking about millions of humans, why would you expect otherwise from anyone?
 
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News Comments > Oculus Facing Political Backlash [Updated]
161. Re: Oculus Facing Political Backlash [Updated] Sep 26, 2016, 18:44 Quboid
 
Conservative hypocrisy over freedom of speech and their attitude that freedom means "everyone is free to do what *I* want" aside, it's not OK for liberals to censor. But this has nothing to do with Luckey, a hypothetical mob is not censorship.

So what's the difference between people criticising Luckey and people criticising athletes who kneel? Criticising the athletes isn't inherently censorship either. I haven't followed that closely but from what I have read, it seems that while Luckey is being criticised for what he is supporting, the athletes are getting criticised merely for supporting something.

(Obviously I think there are huge differences in the merits and importance in each case too but "it's different because it's different" isn't a great answer.)

(PS. "You don't get to" is an antagonising way to argue. Sorry, but someone had to say it and if it was Orogogus he would sound petty.)
 
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News Comments > Morning Legal Briefs
7. Re: Morning Legal Briefs Sep 26, 2016, 17:18 Quboid
 
Beamer wrote on Sep 26, 2016, 14:09:
The bill, AB-1687, requires that all sites that have paid subscriptions that allow people to post resumes and other information respect requests to remove information relating to age -- or just not post this information in the first place.

The real push for this is for smaller actors and actresses to not be written off for their age. For actual stars, that cat is long since out of the bag. But if you're a 35 year old waitress who's had 3 roles and obviously no Wikipedia entry, this is a nice way to not get shut down immediately.

I'm not then saying its goods outweigh its bads, just that this is the primary impetus.

So what is the thinking here, a company that sells someone a career-helping service can't post potentially career-harming (edit: due to discrimination) information against that customer's wishes? Why only age, so that's it's manageable at this time?

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News Comments > Sunday Metaverse
47. Re: Sunday Metaverse Sep 26, 2016, 15:33 Quboid
 
Verno wrote on Sep 26, 2016, 14:49:
Choosing between the lesser of two evils is not indicative of a broken system: it's indicative of the democratic system in a big, diverse country working (mostly) as intended. A candidate that gave you everything you wanted, would offer too little to everyone else, and everyone else matters just as much as you. If that compromised choice between far less than ideal candidates is too unappealing, by all means vote your conscious, but don't be surprised that by walking away from an offer to get some of what you want, you end up getting nothing.

Perhaps choosing a third party is the lesser of "two" evils for some voters, I don't make assumptions about peoples reasons. That's why you won't see me saying "vote for X or its a waste". I don't personally vote with a christmas wish list so to speak either but I think your point is well made.

Someone here recently criticised voting for a third party for a reason something like "because what if the opposition wins?". I didn't bother to pick up on it but it struck me that some people (not SMA) really don't get what it means to support a third party. I'm sure most third party voters prefer one of the potential winners over the other but they're both the opposition.
 
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News Comments > Sunday Metaverse
45. Re: Morning Legal Briefs Sep 26, 2016, 14:44 Quboid
 
Your vote isn't just about who you want to win, it's also about what issues you want your country to care about. If you're most interested in breaking up the two-party system, *not* voting for a third party is wasting your vote. Aren't most of your votes pointless in picking the winner anyway due to the electoral college system? If you don't live in a swing state, you might as well vote against the duopoly.

Most of the time when I hear that argument it seems to be from people who just want you to lean towards their candidate of choice.

You make it sound so cynical. People who consider the presidential vote to be important aren't going to think it's important for their candidate of choice to lose.
 
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News Comments > Morning Legal Briefs
2. Re: Morning Legal Briefs Sep 26, 2016, 13:12 Quboid
 
Well, this seems like a terrible way to deal with the issue.  
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News Comments > Oculus Facing Political Backlash [Updated]
148. Re: I watched more DOOM videos (not all of them [TL;DW]), with a guy's commentaries, from YouTube... Sep 25, 2016, 20:59 Quboid
 
Wowbagger_TIP wrote on Sep 25, 2016, 20:34:
First, since it's bugging me, it's deposition rather than disposition.

Oh derp. I keep making that mistake. Thanks
 
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News Comments > Oculus Facing Political Backlash [Updated]
146. Re: I watched more DOOM videos (not all of them [TL;DW]), with a guy's commentaries, from YouTube... Sep 25, 2016, 18:58 Quboid
 
Slick wrote on Sep 25, 2016, 18:10:
Quboid wrote on Sep 25, 2016, 18:02:
I think Clinton's tactic will be to get under Trump's skin. Bring up him failing to get Jeb Bush to let him build a casino in Florida, let him deny it again, then quote his disposition and nail him on a clear lie. If he doesn't deny it, hammer home his failure until his loses his temper. He's not good at taking criticism from women.

If she can actually nail him on a single lie, it will be a success. I'm doubtful of the success rate of this enterprise however, if the moderator won't jump in to fact check anything, as someone already mentioned on the last page, it will simply be "he said, she said", Hillary will get flustered, Trump supporters will see that as a win, end of story.

You'd think of all places to be nailed to one of his outrageous lies, it would be at the debate, but I'm telling you that guy's like liquid, he's the un-nailable.

Is it weird that I'm more nervous and anxious about tomorrow then when I actually go on stage? (still get stage fright everytime)

Like nailing orange jello to a wall.

Quoting his sworn deposition would be the slam dunk, but it would need him to first make undeniably clear that he absolutely did not try and fail to get Bush to let him build a casino. She can't bring up him denying it in a Primary debate, he needs to deny it right there.

Three hours of arguing with nowhere to hide should be awful for Trump. I'm wary of using conventional logic because that told me he'd be gone early in the primaries but he can't take criticism, he can't talk to women he can't control, he can't stick to a script. None of that will matter to the 110%'ers but hopefully anyone else will see that this is not the time to protest vote against the establishment, be it for Trump or an actually non-establishment third party.

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News Comments > Oculus Facing Political Backlash [Updated]
143. Re: I watched more DOOM videos (not all of them [TL;DW]), with a guy's commentaries, from YouTube... Sep 25, 2016, 18:02 Quboid
 
I think Clinton's tactic will be to get under Trump's skin. Bring up him failing to get Jeb Bush to let him build a casino in Florida, let him deny it again, then quote his deposition and nail him on a clear lie. If he doesn't deny it, hammer home his failure until his loses his temper. He's not good at taking criticism from women.

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News Comments > Op Ed
4. Re: Op Ed Sep 25, 2016, 16:41 Quboid
 
If the ghosts didn't want to be chased, they should protest peacefully. Pac-Man is like Dirty Harry, he's an anti-hero who does what's needed and if those old farts at city hall don't like it they can haul their fat asses out of their comfy chairs and see what real pacmanning is all about!  
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News Comments > Oculus Facing Political Backlash [Updated]
139. Re: Oculus Facing Political Backlash [Updated] Sep 25, 2016, 14:58 Quboid
 
Fair points, I agree. My comment about finally sorting issues out was a joke but hopefully people other than the 110%'ers will find it interesting.  
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News Comments > Sunday Metaverse
9. Re: Sunday Metaverse Sep 25, 2016, 14:55 Quboid
 
jdreyer wrote on Sep 25, 2016, 14:14:
Also the "moderators" will apparently let the candidates fact check each other. So it will turn into he-said-she-said.

"Trump campaign aides have staked out a similar position. Some of them say a pro-fact-checking stance is really an anti-Trump stance."

Damn reality and its liberal bias.
 
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137. Re: Oculus Facing Political Backlash [Updated] Sep 25, 2016, 12:22 Quboid
 
NasWulf wrote on Sep 25, 2016, 12:04:
Quboid wrote on Sep 25, 2016, 11:03:
Jivaro wrote on Sep 25, 2016, 10:58:
Well, this thread certainly didn't disappoint...

At least we've finally sorted these issues out, once and for all.

well that's only because the last few pages have been informative and logical arguments/opinions. The 110% Trump supporters have fell silent because the A)can't depute the facts laid out before them ... B)too embarrassed to try to depute the facts laid out before them ...

bravo on the fact checking, I only wish more people would take a few extra minutes out of their day to do the same when picking a candidate to vote for .. instead of just voting for the best Tweet they read that day ....

Eh no, we've sorted nothing out and I doubt anyone has changed their mind at all.
 
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News Comments > Steam Top 10
2. Re: Steam Top 10 Sep 25, 2016, 12:20 Quboid
 
I don't know if this has been mentioned here but Mafia 2 is 80% off. I know a few people have been waiting for a deep discount.
http://store.steampowered.com/app/50130/
 
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News Comments > Oculus Facing Political Backlash [Updated]
133. Re: Oculus Facing Political Backlash [Updated] Sep 25, 2016, 11:03 Quboid
 
Jivaro wrote on Sep 25, 2016, 10:58:
Well, this thread certainly didn't disappoint...

At least we've finally sorted these issues out, once and for all.
 
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News Comments > Oculus Facing Political Backlash [Updated]
131. Re: Morning Mobilization Sep 25, 2016, 09:58 Quboid
 
Scottish Martial Arts wrote on Sep 25, 2016, 01:19:
Redmask wrote on Sep 25, 2016, 00:09:
They would rather burn it all to the ground with Trump than see Clinton elected.

The thing that bothers me about this attitude is it shows little imagination for how bad things can get. If you place the last 70 years or so, since the end of World War II, in the broad context of human history, then it becomes immediately clear that we were fortunate enough to live in arguably the greatest golden age humankind has ever experienced. The world has never been more prosperous, more peaceful, or more free, for more people, than it has in the latter half of the 20th century and the first few decades of the 21st. That's not to say things are perfect -- far from it -- but that most humans have endured lives far more brutal, far more violent, far poorer, and far shorter with far more loss. The last time humans came close to enjoying what we have, it was the second century AD at the height of the Roman Empire.

But Rome fell.

Our civilization is robust, but it's not impervious. A truly catastrophic leader can deal irreparable damage to a society, that perhaps doesn't destroy things overnight (although in the age of nuclear weapons don't rule it out), but nevertheless precipitates a long, irrecoverable decline and fall. This has happened over and over again throughout world history. For Rome, see Commodus. For Ancient Athens, see Alcibiades and the Sicilian expedition. For a hypothetical, read Plato's discussion in the Republic of how democracies devolve into tyrannies, and his description of the tyrannical man, and tell me that when you look at Trump you don't see that same passion-enslaved man -- always desirous of praise and popularity -- a man unable to control his desires or even himself.

This isn't to say our society doesn't have major problems and inequities that aren't being addressed by our national politics. No one is wrong to organize and press for change. But that doesn't mean we can be foolish when it comes time to select our president. We cannot claim a lack of historical imagination and perspective as an excuse for burning down a system that has given us the one of the great (if not the greatest) golden ages ever lived by humans. Things could be far better, but they could also be much much much worse, and the odds for rolling the dice on Trump should give any thinking person pause.

Very well said. The last 70 years; or nearly one human life span.

I was talking to a ~70 year old man recently and he was telling me about how I shouldn't worry, these things work out, it's never as bad as it seems. It occurred to me that as a baby boomer, his existence was dependent on exactly that *not* happening, and that as a member of the oldest generation, he represents the fact that people who lived through WW2 are dying off, lessons forgotten.

For all the problems in politics today, things could get much, much worse. I hate seeing people refer to the UN/EU/NATO as people pointlessly sitting in a room arguing when that has replaced people pointlessly dying on a field.

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News Comments > Oculus Facing Political Backlash [Updated]
118. Re: I watched more DOOM videos (not all of them [TL;DW]), with a guy's commentaries, from YouTube... Sep 24, 2016, 23:19 Quboid
 
Slick wrote on Sep 24, 2016, 23:06:
Yeah, either he's the best actor alive, or he's a dangerous manipulative, subversive, hateful, xenophobic, pathological liar that wants to burn everything to the ground. I really wish that calling "Hitler" on someone wasn't so overused, It's hard to think of a more apt comparison. Although I'd love to read a comprehensive list of all the attributes and similarities of Hitler's rise to power, and what Trump is doing. I mean besides the obvious that he kept a book of Hitler's speeches at his bedside. Not my idea of a good bedside read, but to be fair, it's probably the only way he can cum anymore.

And yes, the Dunning–Kruger effect, fascinating stuff:

It's an interesting concept, but if you try hard enough you can persuade yourself that everyone you disagree with is an example of this. There's more to it than a stupid person reaching a stupid conclusion.

Godwin's Law is about hyperbole. When a presidential candidate talks about tracking everyone of a particular religion, comparisons are no longer hyperbolic.
 
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News Comments > Oculus Facing Political Backlash [Updated]
116. Re: Oculus Facing Political Backlash [Updated] Sep 24, 2016, 23:02 Quboid
 
Slick wrote on Sep 24, 2016, 21:05:
Muscular Beaver wrote on Sep 24, 2016, 20:48:
Quboid wrote on Sep 24, 2016, 16:26:
Muscular Beaver wrote on Sep 24, 2016, 15:58:
DV wrote on Sep 24, 2016, 10:59:
Muscular Beaver wrote on Sep 24, 2016, 10:17:
The hypocrisy in this thread and on this topic in general is sickening, to say the least.

Thank you. I'm glad I'm not the only one seeing it in this thread.
Like always, they dont seem to care. Its like theres a huge competition going on whos the biggest hypocrite. The term hypocrite seems to be a compliment to them.

Who is "they"? People are rarely aware of when they are being hypocritical by their own interpretation, never mind yours. I have no idea who you mean.
Thats exactly the problem. If you cant recognize obvious hypocrisy anymore, then nobody can explain it to you, because youre most likely ignoring it on purpose, because youre biased. And Im surely not going to get into this brainless flamewar by trying to. People need to realize it themselves, even friends telling it them will make most people tick out and rather end the friendship, than admit it.

Well, I don't know if this was his point or not, but there is a neurological condition where people who are bad at something literally don't have the skillset to UNDERSTAND that they're bad at it.

Extrapolated, this could explain that people who don't understand that they're full of shit are literally lacking the brain functions to even understand that they're full of shit.

I wasn't referring to the Dunning-Kruger effect specifically but it's that sort of thing, I just don't think people are usually aware when they're being hypocritical. Muscular Beaver thinks otherwise and this is just my judgement so I'm happy to agree to disagree.

It is a problem. If we aren't aware of it then recognising this in ourselves is hard because "in my opinion, my opinions are consistent" will be the natural quick conclusion. I think few people consider their perspective from another perspective. This isn't new but it seems amplified.

Of course, someone who disagrees with me might say I don't consider other perspectives and hey, I'm not flawless. No, really.
 
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