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Out of the Blue [March 24, 2008, 08:45 am ET] - Viewing Comments
I actually bought one of those HD-DVD players for the Xbox 360 back when, file
that under 'it seemed like a good idea at the time.' It struck me when Best Buy
recently announced plans to compensate early adopters of this stillborn
technology that I was pretty positive I had bought this there, but that I was
going to have a hard time conjuring up the receipt. No matter, this morning they
sent an email saying a gift card is on its way to me nonetheless. This is
probably not for much, as I see on their
Trade-in Center that this
player's trade in value is about $30 at this point, and that's if it is in
perfect condition, includes the remote and manual, and is accompanied by three
HD DVD movies, but hey, at least it's something.
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Mar 26, 14:56 |
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global warming is a farce that doesn't take into account the age of the planet, thousand year warming and cooling trends, etc.
the planet will last millions of years past the point to where it eradicates us. 
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Re: Converting M4P to MP3 |
Mar 26, 09:55 |
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I'm not saying that global warming isn't happening (although recent scientific findings point in the direction that it isn't), I'm saying there is absolutely no evidence that man is at all responsible. In fact, all of the objective evidence points to just the opposite - that try as we might, mankind just doesn't have any affect on the climate. Leaving aside the rest (since I guess neither of us want to engage in lengthy exercises in futility), and this is a bit of a digression, there is actually evidence that we can affect at least the weather. After the 9/11 attacks, when all of the planes were grounded (for what, three days?) there were noticeable, obvious, and immediate effects on the daily low and high temperatures.
Notice I said weather and not climate, though--a three day experiment doesn't tell us how the climate will be affected over the long term. And, yes, correlation != causation, and unfortunately it'd be difficult to recreate the experiment on such a wide scale.
Edit: I forgot to mention: The likely (or hypothesized) culprits were jet contrails, and not emissions, hence why this is such a digression. This message was edited at Mar 26, 12:47. |
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Re: Converting M4P to MP3 |
Mar 25, 22:43 |
Prez |
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Any place I point you towards will be discredited and mocked, either by you, or someone else. What's the point? I have no desire to engage in a lengthy exercise in futility.
The best thing for me to do is to let you find the unbiased, unabridged information, (not the propagandha like from Al Gore or Arianna Huffington) on your own. If you look, there are a few sites that just present the info and leave you to make your own judgment, but they are drowned out by the looney sensationalist sites with agendas.
I'm not saying that global warming isn't happening (although recent scientific findings point in the direction that it isn't), I'm saying there is absolutely no evidence that man is at all responsible. In fact, all of the objective evidence points to just the opposite - that try as we might, mankind just doesn't have any affect on the climate.
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Re: Converting M4P to MP3 |
Mar 25, 22:03 |
mag |
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Man-made global warming is BS, plain and simple. It doesn't take a scientist to realize this - it takes a rational-thinking objective person about an hour of reviewing the facts involved in an unbiased setting. And I was trying to be all diplomatic, too. Okay, fine, what facts? Point me to them, and I will read them. I might even believe them! And if your facts consist of, "But the Earth is so big and it's so old! It's impossible for humans to affect the Earth!" then you fail. This message was edited at Mar 25, 22:04. |
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Re: Converting M4P to MP3 |
Mar 25, 20:33 |
Prez |
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Man-made global warming is BS, plain and simple. It doesn't take a scientist to realize this - it takes a rational-thinking objective person about an hour of reviewing the facts involved in an unbiased setting.
Yeah, scientists all agree, because they are all scared of going against "consensus", which is career suicide in the scientific field.
Avoid the propaganda; look at the facts. That's all it takes.
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Re: Converting M4P to MP3 |
Mar 25, 10:12 |
mag |
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I guess it never occurs to some that maybe, just maybe, some of us like to have facts and data before leaping off assumption cliff into conclusion pond. First it was global cooling in the what, 70's? Then global warming became the rage on apparently preliminary at best assumptions and calculations and now that seems to be incorrect as well. Nah, I can accept that. Still, I tend to trust consortia of scientists over oil companies, the media, and politicians to say whether or not human activity is causing global warming. And most scientists still seem to fall on the side of climate change.
I think the surge in reporting of contradicting evidence we see now is largely because the media want to say things that will get them attention. When most people didn't believe in it, they prevented arguments for it (oooh, evil liberal media!). And now that more people seem to embracing it (and, yes, going over the top with theatrics) now you see the media reporting the opposite (oooh, evil conservative media!). It helped that we had a surprisingly cold year.
And I think everyone is aware of and respects the wildly-varying temperatures of history. I think more at issue this time around was that the warming appears (or appeared) to be occurring more rapidly than what we think happened at other periods of time.
I wasn't around in the 70s to hear the talk of 'global cooling' that the anti-global-warming folks like to talk about, but my impression has been that that was the media going nuts over something the scientists weren't confident on yet.
Also, while I do not think one year makes a trend (a cold year out of ten warm years does not mean that there's no warming going on), I will admit that more scientists seem (though I've still yet to see many that weren't paid by the oil companies) to be expressing skepticism. But, that's the beauty of science. If it's wrong, it usually gets corrected. This message was edited at Mar 25, 10:20. |
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Mar 25, 00:13 |
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I Love Blue's News!
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| 40. |
Re: Global, uh, temperature change? |
Mar 24, 23:50 |
PHJF |
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It doesn't matter how much energy it uses if it doesn't spew carbon dioxide all over the place. And imagine the government savings on maintaining the thousands of miles of roads... we'd just have higher insurance premiums...
Much higher premiums.
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Re: Global, uh, temperature change? |
Mar 24, 22:19 |
Warhawk |
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WHERE THE FUCK IS MY FLYING CAR? And exactly how is taking a car and making it FLY using less energy than rolling it around on little rubber wheels???
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Re: Global, uh, temperature change? |
Mar 24, 22:04 |
nin |
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WHERE THE FUCK IS MY FLYING CAR? The population can't talk and drive, and you want to add in a third dimension? 
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| 37. |
Re: Global, uh, temperature change? |
Mar 24, 21:08 |
PHJF |
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And that will cost trillions of dollars and involve millions of workers.
The only way this is possible is if the government gets involved. But of course, if the government gets involved and sets up contracts to get all this work done, people will just bitch about how those companies are just shills for the evil government. Well if this "recession" the talking heads keep moaning about persists maybe we need a "new" New Deal like that to counter it. A good public works project is always a morale booster, anyways.
China (and India) is putting up insane numbers of coal-fired power plants, so if global warming is indeed a threat it will make its presence undoubtedly known in short enough time.
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Re: Global, uh, temperature change? |
Mar 24, 20:37 |
Enahs |
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We don't see these solutions being pursued because of citizen apathy and the obvious short-term negative economic impact any investor would have to endure. I call BS. Businessmen are businessmen. There are plenty of companies that have plenty of money and know about planing for the long run, and could easily afford the cost of building all the solar, wind, geothermal and tidal wave "power plants". The head of the oil companies would have no problem doing that. I mean, really, if they invest the billions into those products to build them, once they have them up and producing, do they really have to worry about somebody else spending billions trying to over take them? No, not really; they could then make sure if anybody else tries to get in them game, quickly price them out before they even begin.
It would be trivial (relatively speaking) to build enough solar, wind, geothermal and tidal wave energy source to power > 75% of on grid energy sources in a matter of a few years.
So why is nobody doing it? Well, because where those are the most efficient are specific geographical locations. There is no way to redistribute all that power being generated to where it needs. Our power grid infrastructure requires a complete redoing to support a sudden massive increase in increase in those types of renewable energy productions systems.
And that will cost trillions of dollars and involve millions of workers.
The only way this is possible is if the government gets involved. But of course, if the government gets involved and sets up contracts to get all this work done, people will just bitch about how those companies are just shills for the evil government.
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Re: Global, uh, temperature change? |
Mar 24, 19:56 |
PHJF |
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I'm not bitching about NASA polluting anything, I'm bitching about the fact that our primary method for aerial travel is to explode substances. Black powder was discovered over a thousand years ago and rocketry at least 800; it's time to move on.
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Re: Global, uh, temperature change? |
Mar 24, 19:50 |
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But until we have alternatives, it's what we have to use http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Renewable_energy
Nuclear energy is a perfect near-term solution being heavily pursued by GE.
Current renewable-energy solutions are not going to be of the "magic bullet" variety but can nonetheless dissolve carbon dependence. A combination of solar, wind, and hydro generation is very realistic. The United States has the benefit of being in a position to utilize realistically all forms of current renewable energy from grand wind turbine farms across the midwest and plains to solar thermal plants in the desert of the west. These are not terrible expensive.
We don't see these solutions being pursued because of citizen apathy and the obvious short-term negative economic impact any investor would have to endure. The massive stocks of coal buried under our feet are both a blessing and a curse.
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| 32. |
Re: Man Killed in Turkey Hunt |
Mar 24, 19:41 |
Enahs |
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Shit, I get a vomitous (new word!) taste every time I see a shuttle launch. I'm studying physics because I'm tired of lighting shit on fire to get around. It's fucking barbaric. I am not sure what you are saying with that sentence?
Are you bitching about the space shuttle putting out CO2? Which it puts out fairly little. I mean, I am sure some of the binders in the solid fuel booster put out some CO2 when they get charred to high hell. But it is not really putting out much CO2.
So are you just complaining about the lack of innovation in the science; or bitching about the CO2 that it in fact does not put out?
And I got no idea why you are against "burning stuff". It is a simple oxidation-reduction reaction. Your body would die with out them.
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Global, uh, temperature change? |
Mar 24, 18:22 |
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There's a difference between sparse studies reaching various conclusions and a great majority reaching the same conclusion. Yeah, except if the underlying assumptions on all their calculations are wrong to begin with.....
Look, I agree, we need to move forward finding better ways to power our stuff. But wind and solar only get you so far. Nuclear has some pluses, but also requires incredible amounts of fossil fuels in construction and transportation.
We get it, you are afraid of fire. But until we have alternatives, it's what we have to use.
It's like complaining that in WWI they didn't have MRI and CAT scan machines. OK, I'm sure they wish they were available then. But they weren't. So you just deal with it and move on and develop technology as quickly as possible....
I wonder if Toyota would replace rocket hybrid batteries under warranty at 1/2 the distance to the moon if they fail? 
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Re: Man Killed in Turkey Hunt |
Mar 24, 17:46 |
The Half Elf |
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Sadly I don't think there is a hybrid Space Shuttle/Rocket Launcher system in the works. Sides last thing I want is to watch the Shuttle Launch and have 300% humidity for a week every time it takes off 
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Re: Man Killed in Turkey Hunt |
Mar 24, 17:41 |
PHJF |
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It has nothing to do with right-wing vs. left-wing. It's the "sky is falling" attitude while ignoring that wildly varying temperature swings have been recorded in global history, long before the industrial revolution. Sun activity likely has more to do with this than greenhouse gases. There's a difference between sparse studies reaching various conclusions and a great majority reaching the same conclusion. I have to ask you: what effect do you think dumping uncontrolled amounts of CO2 into the atmosphere does have? And how would we be any worse off if we were rid of carbon emissions? If the majority of scientists are wrong and we aren't exacerbating inherent temperature fluctuations, what do we lose? So we get electric cars and renewable energy. It's the nature of technology to go foward, we should NOT be BURNING things to "make our stuff work" in the 21st century. Shit, I get a vomitous (new word!) taste every time I see a shuttle launch. I'm studying physics because I'm tired of lighting shit on fire to get around. It's fucking barbaric.
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Re: Man Killed in Turkey Hunt |
Mar 24, 17:33 |
The Half Elf |
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Fion what is more startling is that we have turkeys in Florida!?! After some googling was rather surprised at how large turkey hunting is here.
Now if they'd just make a Tourist Hunting Season.... Hey Bats you game for that? 
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