However, as I've mentioned numerous times, you don't have to crack your console for every game you pirate. In most cases, it's a one-time deal

I'm not ignoring anything. Once again, I've already stated that console piracy is initially more daunting. However, once you've cracked your console (a process most people will only have to do once), pirating games is easier on an individual basis. You don't have to worry about cracks, firewalls, CD-keys, etc.

However, as I've mentioned numerous times, you don't have to crack your console for every game you pirate. In most cases, it's a one-time deal. You seem to be ignoring this. When judging piracy for either platform, you must judge it as a whole, not just selective parts.

You can't ignore one part of the equation just because you aren't happy that your argument isn't going well.

Who wouldn't want access to the MP component of every single game on the PC side while paying nothing for the games?

If console piracy was so easy then it would be a lot more widespread, especially considering the installed base of consumers for your average multi-platform title is far higher on the console side.

Downloading a game is just as easy on both sides of the equation but there's a lot more to playing pirated games than simply downloading a game from the Internet.

Not at all. I explicitly stated that console piracy is initially more daunting. The hardest part of console piracy is cracking your console. However, once that's done, playing pirated games is easy. You don't have to worry about cracks, CD-keys, activations, phone-home checks, etc, unless you want to play online. With PC game piracy, you have to deal with that stuff with almost every game, offline or online.

And how many of those 10 million active accounts belong to pirates? Hey, look, WoW has 12+ million subscribers. I guess that means that every pirate wants to play WoW. Oh, wait, no it doesn't because the the number of subscribers has absolutely nothing to do with pirates or their desire to play online.

You assume that a console pirate's main interest is to get free multiplayer. Of course, you don't actually have any facts to back this up.

Your idiotic main point - console piracy is easier

Piracy is not easier on the consoles, maybe the act of dropping a game into the tray is but you ignore everything that comes before that.

You not caring about Live is cool but 10 million active accounts suggest others do.

You're the one missing the point here, you said there was no incentive for people to pirate Live games, I am saying yes there is. The Live fee is insignificant if you can save money on every single title in the library and still get multiplayer functionality. You can't do that on the PC, you are forced to purchase the game to unlock regular(not some cracked server BS with 20 players) MP functionality.

I think you missed the part where I said it could be daunting initially. Once you've got the firmware flashed, you're good to go, especially if you don't care about Xbox Live.

What? It's not free if you have to pay for XBL Gold. The only PC multiplayer games that have fees are MMOs

Point is, if you're a pirate, chances are you're more interested in single-player than multiplayer simply because sticking to single-player is easier and less risky. This is no different with Xbox piracy.

Hah, no sorry you're totally wrong and I'll explain why. Piracy on the 360 as an example, can be a huge pain in the ass. You have to run programs like mulleter or XPO to verify the rips and fix them. If you don't do this you get banned from Live. You have to get a special cable to upgrade the firmware on the majority of the dvd drives and certain games require upgraded revisions that might or might not work with older games. You have to worry about which of the three dvd drives you have in the first place, open up your 360 and so on.

The vast majority of 360 games have entirely free multiplayer, you do not need to pay a monthly fee beyond the XBL gold membership. It's not like say an MMO or some FPS with auth'd accounts. Part of the big draw is that you get the complete game pretty much for free, MP and all while saving yourself $60+.

it can be daunting initially but once you've got all the flashing out of the way, you're set. The actual process of playing games is much simpler, as you don't need to worry about cracks or CD-keys. Just burn the game and you're good to go. As for Xbox Live, I don't really see that as much of an issue. If you're pirating games, you're probably not that interested in multiplayer to begin with, just like on the PC.

If you're pirating games, you're probably not that interested in multiplayer to begin with, just like on the PC.

I will admit that PC piracy seems a lot easier to the layman.

Look into modding your 360 sometime, it ain't no picnic and you gotta worry about being banned from Live, dvd firmware revisions and all that junk. Just the hardware crap alone will keep tons of people away.

They know that PC gamers have consoles as well and if they have a choice many of those people might choose PC's, which don't get them their little royalty for the game...

Idiot. Like piracy on the Xbox is as easy as the PC.

As a Publisher or Dev would I delay the release of the PC version of a game I am also releasing on consoles? You bet your ass I would.

Idiots. Like it's not going to be pirated on the xbox.

When publishers or developers say that they are delaying a PC port for the sake of quality, it's often true. They just fail to mention that they completely ignored the PC version until the end of the project.

The problem is Console Gamers that can download a game for free for the PC will do it instead of buying the console version of the game.