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14. Re: Evening Tech Bits Feb 8, 2009, 12:00 dryden555
 
Linux had its chance 10 years ago and even Linus Torvald has stated publicly that linux is floundering as the operating system fragments into dozens of barely supported flavors. IT folks know to stay clear when their jobs are on the line. 10 years from now who knows?

 
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13. Re: Evening Tech Bits Feb 7, 2009, 15:28 Creston
 
If I was a CEO of a compnay that had been running MS up untill this point, I'd be sitting my IT department down and seeing what it takes to switch to Linux.

Offhand I'd say an entirely new IT department...

As for Ballmer giving the customer what they want, is that how we wound up with Vista?

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12. Re: Evening Tech Bits Feb 7, 2009, 11:09 ldonyo
 
The main flaw in Ballmer's argument is support for older devices. Vista's device support, and Windows 7's as well, is nowhere near as complete as XP's. Yes, there are usually ways to get device drivers to function in some fashion on Vista, but workarounds are not an option when you have to support tens of thousands of desktops.

The other glaring flaw in Ballmer's argument is that he thinks people expect to use the same OS at home that they do at work. Most people don't use the same versions of office productivity programs at home that they do at work, which has a much more profound effect than slightly different OSes does. Why would they expect their OS to be the same?
 
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11. Re: Evening Tech Bits Feb 7, 2009, 09:21 Beamer
 
If I was a CEO of a compnay that had been running MS up untill this point, I'd be sitting my IT department down and seeing what it takes to switch to Linux.

No you wouldn't.
The risk of not being compatible with a file or with a program is far too great for any company to take. It's in no way worth the small amount of money you'd save. Especially since you seem to be making that decision out of some weird spite.
 
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10. Re: Evening Tech Bits Feb 7, 2009, 08:51 MMORPGHoD
 
Even Ballmer cannot give a compelling reason for businesses to upgrade. His reasoning actually hurts his case.  
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9. Re: Evening Tech Bits Feb 7, 2009, 06:16 DG
 
I use Vista at home, no problem using XP at work. It's not like there's any fundamental difference when using it, in fact the only thing I can think of that would make the slightest bit of difference to me at work is Vista's lack of "up one level" button in explorer.

There's not much reason to upgrade for home users - I like vista but I wouldn't recommend anyone bother if they already have an xp licence. I don't see any need for most offices to upgrade and if there's no need nor clear advantage, you'd have to be crazy to take the risk.

As regards Linux in the corporate world, I really cannot see it except in specifically suitable circumstances. Employees don't need training to use windows, suitably skilled IT staff are more widely available, all the software works on windows (and is supported). Is linux even cheaper once support is factored in? The cost of the windows license is pretty small, I can buy a 1-user Vista Business for 3 hours at my charge rate (which, in my circumstances is a pretty good approximation of my full-cost) and if I got it on a Dell or in a multi-licence pack it's much cheaper than that.

the fundamental flaw with linux is they focus on it being technically superior, but forget the real goal is to be a tool for that "PEBKAC". Sure, windows has it's problems but if the user doesn't already know how to deal there's a nearby colleague/friend who does and it all works out. And everybody knows this from the start.

You'd have to be crazy to consider moving to linux in the corporate environment, taking on a substantial project with major risks when the existing systems work fine and there is little potential reward to balance out that risk.

I think Linux is in the process of losing a real opportunity with netbooks, a device which people expect to take a little learning and have certain compromises (many of which, like gaming, are already compromised by the hardware so simply don't apply to the OS decision). Contrast that with a PC or laptop where people have an expectation of pressing a button and shit just works exactly as they are used to. If linux hit critical mass in the home it could migrate into the office.

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8. Re: Evening Tech Bits Feb 7, 2009, 05:50 Cutter
 
Let them go at as they wish, they're just going to be putting themselves out of business. You can't come out with a new OS every few years and expect people to upgrade just because it has a few more bells and whistles. And particularly as it applies to the business world. If I was a CEO of a compnay that had been running MS up untill this point, I'd be sitting my IT department down and seeing what it takes to switch to Linux.

MS will bury themselves at this rate, and fair play.
 
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7. Re: Evening Tech Bits Feb 7, 2009, 01:40 Beamer
 
Of course, I just said two of the least-liked people here are partly right, so I'm sure this will be a lead balloon around here.  
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6. Re: Evening Tech Bits Feb 7, 2009, 01:39 Beamer
 
Actually, most of you should love Ballmer.

While Gates basic core message was "I'm Microsoft, I do what I want, you'll like adopt it and love it," Ballmer is spreading the message to employees that Microsoft can't just do what it wants because it carries so much weight and must, instead, make sure what customers want is what it does. It's a very different Microsoft under his reign.

But, in order for PCs to advance, OSs must. Mark Rein had a decent point when he said Vista should have gone further to push the PC platform. If people keep clinging to XP nothing will advance. But it's probably time to figure 64 bit out.
 
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5. Re: Evening Tech Bits Feb 7, 2009, 00:39 Creston
 
Balmer is the biggest fucking tool on the planet. How Bill Gates doesn't just grit his teeth and gnaw his own tongue off everytime that fucking windbag opens his mouth is beyond me.

In any case, Balmer, you fat fuck, there will exactly be ZERO people in IT organizations whining to their boss that they have "old" operating systems. You know why? BECAUSE THEY'RE GLAD THEY HAVE A FUCKING JOB.

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4. Re: Evening Tech Bits Feb 7, 2009, 00:28 dryden555
 
Agent is right -- businesses are quite happy to standardize on XP for at least 2 years longer, if not more. It is far too expensive in every way to move to a new o/s. Best to let home users "beta test" Windows 7 and wait for SP1.

Ballmer knows this but he's talking to the press.
 
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3. Re: Evening Tech Bits Feb 6, 2009, 23:00 Agent.X7
 
I'm Steve Ballmer, and I'm living proof that you can run a megacorp and still be a fucking dumbass.

Hey Steve, I work for a huge defense contractor, and all of the users at our site are asking that we NOT upgrade to Vista or 7. Most of them do get Vista on their home computers, and they call us for advice on the best way to put XP back on.

Dumbass.
 
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2. Re: Evening Tech Bits Feb 6, 2009, 22:33 xXBatmanXx
 
Go fuck yourself Ballmer.

Bought to throw shit out and start using Win98SE again!
 
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1. Windows XP Backlash Feb 6, 2009, 22:22 Narf2029
 
The only problem is... most of us are using XP at home.  
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