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Dawn of War II Early Beta Access

Valve announces the Warhammer 40,000: Dawn of War II multiplayer beta test is now open to all owners of Warhammer 40,000: Dawn of War - Soulstorm, which they are also now offering at a 75% discount on Steam. For everyone else, the beta is slated to open for all on January 28. They are also now accepting pre-purchase of Dawn of War II.

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48. Re: Dow2 Early Beta Access Jan 23, 2009, 19:12 theyarecomingforyou
 
No single patch is ever enough to fix all the issues with a multiplayer game. We can only hope that patches will be effective and continual, which seems likely based upon the interviews I've seen. Team Fortress 2 has survived primarily because the support has been so exceptional, whereas Far Cry 2 was left to fend for itself and wasn't able to build a community (a real shame). But yeah, if DOWII is properly supported then I have a feeling it could be the best online RTS to date.

That said, I hope they improve the matchmaking and Steam / GfWL - I've had a crash to desktop and I've been kicked out of a game on two separate occasion, one because of losing my connection to GfWL and the other because of losing my connection to Steam (I have no idea how the hell that happened, as the overlay and Steam Community were still functioning fine).
 
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47. Re: Dow2 Early Beta Access Jan 23, 2009, 18:54 Overon
 
Well I have been reading the bug threads on the official forum for the beta. I have to say that some fundamental bugs exist that are immediately obvious and despite this the game has gone gold and there will be a day 0 patch. But I really doubt this day 0 patch is going to fix all the MP issues.
 
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46. Re: Dow2 Early Beta Access Jan 23, 2009, 17:18 theyarecomingforyou
 
The stupid thing about Gamestop's policy regarding Steam is that they're happy to stock any Steam game that is selling well - they haven't removed the PC versions of The Orange Box or Left 4 Dead. It's only for third party games, like Lost Planet (the X360 version is still there) and Dawn Of War II.

And what happens when they start selling games through Games For Windows Live? Does that mean games like Fallout 3, Kane & Lynch and GTAIV will disappear?
 
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45. Re: Dow2 Early Beta Access Jan 23, 2009, 10:22 theyarecomingforyou
 
The biggest problem seems to be the matchmaking. It often takes me upwards of 5 minutes to join a game and even then it's often very laggy. I also find that games tend to be a bit too one-sided - is ability / skill matched or are people simply grouped together at random? And I hope the full version has more variety with maps, as I'd like to see some maps where resources, power and victory points are a bit closer to teams bases so as to require a more concerted effort / allow for easier defence.

Also, I couldn't find any option to list or change key binds. I'm so used to press 't' or 'y' to talk that it never occurred to me to try 'Enter' - I had to ask other people how to do it (I'd actually tried pressing virtually every other key). And I still have no idea how you initiate votes to kick people, meaning I've sat there helpless while a player with a ping of over 1000 continued to hold up the game - it was only when other people eventually initiated the vote that we were able to actually play.

PS - I only noticed last night that voice chat is enabled by default when noise is detected. I'd much rather it either a) informed you of this, b) asked you on first launch whether you want this or a conventional button bind, or c) defaulted to a button bind. I can't imagine what other people must have thought when I was explaining the game to my friend for about 5-10mins, or my random coughing / sneezing.
 
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44. Re: Dow2 Early Beta Access Jan 23, 2009, 02:46 Flo
 
You could pretty much play this game on an xbox with a gamepad.
I guess that was the plan. Although I loved the original DoW it was extremely hard to get into it after not playing it online for a year or so. People just develop those hard wired build orders and if you don't follow those on the second you're done. More fun, less hardcore. Of Course less hardcore means less fun to some/many.
 
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43. Re: Dow2 Early Beta Access Jan 22, 2009, 07:28 PsychoMoggieBagpuss
 
Playing a bit of the demo, not sure if it seems as fun as the first one though. I'm going to buy it anyway because of TYRANIDS, but bugger ordering it from steam now they've started that regional pricing malarky. I can preorder from Steam for £34.99, or choose to order it from play.com for £24.99 (30% cheaper!), thats just ridiculous. Anyone from the EU region needs their head examined if they are buying this through steam, you could even buy Soulstorm through steam (to access the beta) and then order DoW II from play and still save money compared to just buying it directly through Steam itself.  
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42. Re: Dow2 Early Beta Access Jan 22, 2009, 00:22 vrok
 
No base management, resource management or micro management. So few units because of the low resource gain (even when owning 90% of the map) make pretty much any tactics like pincer moves and flanking useless. Units being slow and still in squads despite their low number doesn't help either.

The game is pretty much just running around with one control group, consisting of around 3 squads and a commander for most of the game, attack-moving and one crappy squad to ninja cap. Boring. They took out so much from the RTS foundation that there's nothing left to do. You could pretty much play this game on an xbox with a gamepad. It's that simplistic. It's nothing like DoW1.

Do not buy Soulstorm or pre-order the game just to get into the beta. Wait for open beta.
 
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41. Pay for beta just got tempting Jan 21, 2009, 22:41 Entr0py24
 
Just discovered a couple of things that make early beta much more attractive. First, Soulstorm is on sale for $7.50 on steam. Second, you can also get into the beta just by preordering DOW2 on steam.  
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40. Re: Dow2 Early Beta Access Jan 21, 2009, 21:04 Tumbler
 
I don't blame gamespot for being mad, no access to this early beta is a big negative for people prepurchasing it through gamestop.

But choosing not to sell it completely is just dumb. It's going to sell, it's probably the biggest PC game to come around in...hmm...well along time. A long long time.

I'm loving it so far. The dreadnought strafe ability with the assault cannon is so much fun.
 
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39. Re: Dow2 Early Beta Access Jan 21, 2009, 20:58 Overon
 
Not surprising that brick and mortar stores don't like this whole digital distribution thing. It's not only competition for them but it's a threat to their business model. If this delisting is not a mistake, they are reacting like every other industry when their business model was threatened since time in memorial.

They see how there are better and more pros for digital distribution from a consumer standpoint and they are afraid. They should be.

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38. Re: Dow2 Early Beta Access Jan 21, 2009, 20:17 RP
 
ahahah fuck Gamestop. Within 10 years, most games will be purchased digitally, PC or console. If the U.S. had a sensible broadband policy, we'd already be at that point.

Thank goodness the game doesn't focus on micro and base-building bullshit. I've never understood the fascination with managing every little unit or clicking around the screen like a meth addict.
 
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37. Re: Dow2 Early Beta Access Jan 21, 2009, 19:38 theyarecomingforyou
 
Well...that was a letdown, after having played three games I am to say the least disappointed. Too few units, pretty much no micromanagement or base building.
That's exactly why I like it. No rushes, no pointless base building, infinite resources via-capture points, teamwork, etc. It's very intuitive - it's been years since I've played DOW but I was able to pick it up immediately. It's not about memorising every quirk and learning every possible combination of unit effectiveness. The different sides feel different. And it feels quite authentic to the brand. It's the most fun I've had with a multiplayer RTS game since Age Of Empires II.

I fully understand why people will dislike it and you're perfectly justified in your opinion but personally it's the breath of fresh air I was looking for. I'm also looking forward to Starcraft II, which looks to be more traditional. Personally I'd rather see a new Warcraft game that goes back to the roots (Warcraft I) but that seems unlikely.

http://kotaku.com/5136323/why-is-gamestop-no-longer-selling-dawn-of-war-ii
Fuck 'em them. They should adapt to the market instead of trying to work against it. Look at the US auto-industry - they tried shoving SUVs and gas guzzlers down people's throats when people wanted smaller cars and now they're looking at likely collapse. Not stocking one of the bigger games of the year seems retarded. I don't see what the problem with their exclusive bundles was, as I can imagine that would influence many people - now they simply have no choice but to buy elsewhere if they want it.

NEway, I haven't bought a game at a retail since 2005 (Battlefield 2) and even back then that was pretty unusual - I used to buy from online retailers but now buy pretty much exclusively on Steam. Why would I want to go to a store and pay a higher price when I order games from the comfort of my own home and have them delivered, or simply download them through Steam?
 
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36. Re: Dow2 Early Beta Access Jan 21, 2009, 19:00 Krovven
 
http://kotaku.com/5136323/why-is-gamestop-no-longer-selling-dawn-of-war-ii

 
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35. Re: Dow2 Early Beta Access Jan 21, 2009, 18:38 Starang
 
Well...that was a letdown, after having played three games I am to say the least disappointed. Too few units, pretty much no micromanagement or base building. I don't know what kind of rts fans this one caters to but it sure as shit ain't me.  
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34. Re: Dow2 Early Beta Access Jan 21, 2009, 18:35 Sempai
 
Got beta up n running, went to sign into Windows Live and it literally took me 30 min to login to this fucking pile of shit windows bullshit.

Password is incorrect, well its the same pass i use for my xbox360 live account, even though it was the correct password it wouldnt have any of it.

I went to live tech support and there i reset the password, i put in my new password(again the same one i use for live)and it gave me the you cannot use the old password for your new error. LOL You fucking inept mutherfuckers. So let me get this straight, you wont allow me to use the correct pass and you wont let me replace it as a new pass, so my new password is Billgatessucksballsack and it took it, the good thing is it told me it was a medium safe password.

Ty Microsoft for yet another smooth experience.
 
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33. Re: Dow2 Early Beta Access Jan 21, 2009, 16:12 elefunk
 
Is it just me or is anyone else suspicious of beta testing a product that has already gone gold? I have massive respect for Relic, but this is just fucked up.
Suspicious? How is it "suspicious" when they addressed that exact question?

http://community.dawnofwar2.com/blogs/?p=471

Mark: When a product goes gold, that means itís sent to manufacturing for physical replication and packaging. Version 1.0 of the game is finished and QA approved, but for an online-focused game like DOWII, thatís just the beginning of the gameís lifecycle. This is particularly true when talking about the multiplayer experience Ė we can only do so well balancing the multiplayer experience on our own and identifying exploits before we need to open up the game to thousands of players.

Our plan is to use the Beta to tell us what needs to be fixed in our first couple of patches, especially the critical multiplayer balance updates for our Day Zero patch.

So Version 1.0 of DOWII may be gold already, but Version 1.1 certainly is not!
The purpose of the beta is solely to address balance issues that are simply impossible to catch without a massive number of enthusiast gamers hammering away at it. The game is ready to go, other than that.
 
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32. Re: Dow2 Early Beta Access Jan 21, 2009, 15:54 Tumbler
 
Submit a Support Ticket to Steam regarding having purchased Soulstorm at full price earlier in the week. Chances are they will refund the difference. Almost certain they have done that before.

Hmmm, ok I will do that. *crossing fingers*
 
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31. Re: Dow2 Early Beta Access Jan 21, 2009, 15:38 Kxmode
 
Overall a pretty decent experience, though I was kicked out of the game as it was getting towards the end of the match when GfWL decided it would sign out and not let me sign back in again.

Sounds like something Microsoft would do...
 
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30. Re: Dow2 Early Beta Access Jan 21, 2009, 14:10 Inexorable
 
You essentially have both overlays avaliable to you. You hit shift-tab for the Steam overlay with the Friends list, etc, and you hit the home key for GFWL's stuff. You have to log into GFWL to play multiplayer even if you launch from Steam. You probably have to log in to GFWL to play singleplayer, too, but I'm not sure.  
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29. Re: Dow2 Early Beta Access Jan 21, 2009, 13:57 Fillem
 
So how does Steam work in combination with Games for Windows Live?
Can you use the Steam Community but you still have to log into GfWL?
Curious about this.
 
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