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On GTA IV PC DRM

Rockstar Talks GTA IV PC DRM on IGN is a Q&A discussing how the upcoming Windows edition of Grand Theft Auto IV will handle copy protection. The game will include SecuROM copy protection, and will require one-time online authentication via the Internet and will also require the game disc in the drive to play. The game can be installed on an unconnected PC, but will still require online activation, even for PC's with no internet access, as it can be done on another internet-connected PC. The game carries a surprising long list of other prerequisites, as they say: "GTA IV PC also requires a number of software installations, including Games For Windows, Adobe Flash, Internet Explorer, SecuROM and our Rockstar Games Social Club application." The conversation elaborates on the whole activation deal: "GTA IV PC uses SecuROM for protecting our EXE until street date has passed, to ensure the retail disk is in the computer drive, and is used for Product Activation of the title. Product Activation is a one time only online authentication when installing the game. GTA IV has no install limits for the retail disc version of the game, and that version can be installed on an unlimited number of PCs by the retail disk owner." Digitally distributed editions of the game will still use SecuROM, though obviously will not require a non-existent disc in the drive.

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150. Re: On GTA IV PC DRM Dec 5, 2008, 15:54 Cock A Doodle Do
 
150 BOOYA! Consoles are superior so everyone just needs to get with the program!  
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149. Re: On GTA IV PC DRM Dec 5, 2008, 12:48 Wowbagger_TIP
 
To be honest games on the PC have gone down the drain slowly and right now a lot (if not most) of games are just console ports and also have the shallow gameplay, short singleplayer or crappy controls of those. Why not go fully console then?
Because PC is still the only place to find most of the really good games, even if there are a lot of shitty console ports out there too.
 
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148. Re: On GTA IV PC DRM Dec 2, 2008, 19:36 Tumbler
 
I just bought GTA4 on the 360 from Gamefly for 23.99. They had a $10 off offer over the thankgiving weekend so it's not hard to choose between a game on the console for 23.99 or a PC version for $49.99?

GTA IV PC also requires a number of software installations, including Games For Windows, Adobe Flash, Internet Explorer, SecuROM and our Rockstar Games Social Club application.

And wtf is this?! Gimme a fucking break.

Console version. Thanx. Bye.

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147. Re: On GTA IV PC DRM Dec 2, 2008, 09:59 Muscular Beaver
 
So you choose lesser graphics and lesser gameplay because games ask you to connect online once when first played? That's like riding a bicycle because your Mercedes got a flat tire. Do you honestly expect me to take you seriously. Still, thnx for the chuckle.

To be honest games on the PC have gone down the drain slowly and right now a lot (if not most) of games are just console ports and also have the shallow gameplay, short singleplayer or crappy controls of those. Why not go fully console then?

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146. Re: On GTA IV PC DRM Dec 1, 2008, 17:45 Halo
 
I like how a lot of people wont buy E-copies of games because they don't get a disk or box. But when they get an actual disc they don't want to use it. I don't care about leaving a disc in the drive I have two drives anyways and chances are I'm going to be using the game disc since I just bought the game.  
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145. Re: On GTA IV PC DRM Nov 30, 2008, 10:05 [VG]Reagle
 
Maybe your the assbag.  
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144. Re: On GTA IV PC DRM Nov 30, 2008, 02:32 Cutter
 
Holy shit, you assbags are still arguing this? Tomayto - Tomahto. Don't like it? Don't fucking buy it. Money talks, bullshit walks.


 
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143. Re: On GTA IV PC DRM Nov 29, 2008, 21:35 theyarecomingforyou
 
I don't think so. Yes, having to insert a disc is irritating, but you will have the disc for ever al most and you will have a disc to insert after 10, or more, years.
So inserting a disc into your computer hundreds of times over the life of the game is less irritating than a potential situation in the future that may require the automatic downloading of a patch? Don't forget that during those 10yrs that you've been constantly handling the disc that it will wear, developing scratches and deterioration of the layers - it's also possible you'll lose that disc or accidentally break it, afterall you'll be juggling it with all the other games you play regularly. I've even had a disc crack in my drive before, so that's a possibility as well.

Disc checks have always irritated me. I am certainly mindful of the risks involved with online activation but find it preferable to a disc check myself. However, obviously as an ADDITIONAL form of protection it is undesirable but not an issue for me as I buy my games through Steam.

Online activation is renting.
I'm not even going to dignify that with a rebuttal.

I was playing on PC since Windows 3.1 but now, with all this DRM crap i have changed to consoles.
So you choose lesser graphics and lesser gameplay because games ask you to connect online once when first played? That's like riding a bicycle because your Mercedes got a flat tire. Do you honestly expect me to take you seriously. Still, thnx for the chuckle.
 
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142. Re: On GTA IV PC DRM Nov 29, 2008, 18:42 Jerykk
 
ROFL, there's Jerykk, the software pirate, who continues to rationalize his vice with fictional arguments and facts backed up with known fallacies. He spouts the same flawed logic every thread promoting piracy. Then when someone points out his flawed logic, he resorts to calling them idiots or some other name.

Uh, what? When have I promoted piracy in this thread? And when have I ever called anyone an idiot? And please point out the specific "fictional arguments and facts" and "known fallacies."

I'm not even sure what the point of your post was. This whole thread has been about SecuRom and why it's worthless. This is not an argument about whether piracy exists or how harmful it is to the industry.

Did you actually read any posts before you posted your own?
 
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141. Re: On GTA IV PC DRM Nov 29, 2008, 18:31 Kha
 
@ theyarecomingforyou

"I was talking about when they are compared individually. A one time online activation is of little consequence, whereas having to insert a disc each time is quite irritating. Therefore when you compare the two it's the disc check that should irritate people more, whereas the responses in the topic have been contrary to this."

I don't think so. Yes, having to insert a disc is irritating, but you will have the disc for ever al most and you will have a disc to insert after 10, or more, years.

After some years have passed from now, there will be any authentication server active for the game or you will have a coaster?.

Online activation is renting.

"But that's exactly what has happened here. The activation limits have been removed, though a one time online activation is still required. At the end of the day people already have to activate Windows online so to me it seems absurd to complain about doing the same with a computer game on a single occasion."

It would be fantastic if code wheels could to return, or questions based on manuals, honest. When i buy a game i want be able to install it and play it for ever.

I was playing on PC since Windows 3.1 but now, with all this DRM crap i have changed to consoles.
 
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140. So basically.. Nov 29, 2008, 18:24 The Half Elf
 
It's just like installing Half Life 2 with steam for the first time and just leaving the CD in the tray, unless you do a digital download.

Honestly I'm not seeing where all the drama comes into play. Could be alot worse.
 
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139. Re: On GTA IV PC DRM Nov 29, 2008, 15:32 [VG]Reagle
 
I claim that piracy has no impact on PC gaming.

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138. Re: On GTA IV PC DRM Nov 29, 2008, 15:31 Cock A Doodle Do
 
You are all stupid

protecting our EXE until street date has passed

The are using the DRM so that the game doesn't release until after the street date. All you 10 year old losers need to go to school and quit surfing the net.
 
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137. Re: On GTA IV PC DRM Nov 29, 2008, 15:20 Bhruic
 
The very basic fact is : THERE IS NOT A SUFFICIENT PROFIT MARGIN IN MAKING COMPUTER ONLY GAMES ANYMORE!! Just about every development house has gone on record as to this fact and they have all cited piracy as a significant factor in this

I'm not going to bother going through and countering every point you made, since that would be a waste of time. However, I am going to counter a stupid assumption that you seem to be making. No one, and I mean no one is claiming that piracy has no impact on PC gaming. The only argument is about the degree of impact. Apparently you, among others, belief that it is extremely high. Others, like Jerryk believe that it is much less significant.

The reality is that no one is in a position to say for sure. However, looking at the situation gives plenty of alternate reasons for why PC sales are down. Very high on the list is one of the points you mentioned yourself - consoles have "caught up" in a lot of ways to the power/performance level of PCs. Consoles also offer numerous benefits that you don't get with a PC (unless you are quite technically competent) - the ability to use a big screen TV for output, the ability to sit comfortably on a couch and play, the ability to have friends over and play together, the ability to simply put in the dvd and have the game start up, etc. Furthermore, as an almost completely dedicated gaming system, you don't have to worry about upgrading it, and you can rely on it "just working" with any game that you buy.

So it's not a huge surprise that consoles have become more popular. The obvious next step in that line is the fact that it's no surprise companies have begun to target them as their primary platform. Less hassle in the form of tech support, a guarunteed install base, and multiple platforms to target. Even without piracy, I'd bet that most game companies would still be targeting consoles as their primary market.

So in conclusion, you may or may not be right about PCs "dying", but even if you are, that's no support for your "piracy is killing them" argument. There are plenty of other factors that are skewing things towards consoles, and there's no way to measure the impact that piracy is having.
 
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136. Re: On GTA IV PC DRM Nov 29, 2008, 15:07 Bhruic
 
It's funny watching people supposedly on the same side completely countering the argument of others on their side. Exhibit A being, of course, LMN8R claiming that PC gaming is dying is a complete fallacy, and then Scorpion67 making a huge argument that completely revolves around the "fact" that PC gaming is dying.

If you guys can't even agree amongst yourselves, how do you expect anyone else to buy your arguments?
 
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135. Re: On GTA IV PC DRM Nov 29, 2008, 14:45 Krovven
 
Techie714 - FUCK THAT!

WAY to much crap to install & online DRM, torrent's here I come!

Techie714 - @Scorpion67

Your post was dead on man, I hope people actually take the time to read what you wrote because it makes a lot of sense & gamers out there need to hear the truth. PC Gaming is NOT dying people, it's evolving get use to it!

STFU. You are part of the problem.
 
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134. Re: On GTA IV PC DRM Nov 29, 2008, 14:43 Boston
 
Nobody here is arguing whether piracy is right or wrong. I think we can all agree that piracy is wrong. The discussion here is whether the use of restrictive DRM is justified, when it clearly does nothing to stop piracy.  
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133. Re: On GTA IV PC DRM Nov 29, 2008, 14:19 Porn-O-Matic
 
After reading this entire thread and reflecting on my 20+ years as a hardcore PC gamer... I think the most relevant post was the one that equated this entire discussion to a bunch of monkeys flinging poo at each other.

*yawn*

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132. Re: On GTA IV PC DRM Nov 29, 2008, 13:52 Techie714
 
@Scorpion67

Your post was dead on man, I hope people actually take the time to read what you wrote because it makes a lot of sense & gamers out there need to hear the truth. PC Gaming is NOT dying people, it's evolving get use to it!
 
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131. Re: On GTA IV PC DRM Nov 29, 2008, 13:50 Dades
 
It has no activation limits so I'm still going to buy this for the PC regardless of how much people post that DRM is killing my babies. I like games and would like to see them continue to be made on the PC. It's really that simple to me.  
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