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Deus Ex 3 Details

Computer and Video Games offers the promised (story) first detail on Deus Ex 3, as the shooter/RPG sequel is previewed in the 200th issue of print magazine PC Zone, which has begun reaching subscribers in advance of its release on newsstands this Thursday. The game is under construction at Eidos Montreal with Deus Ex writer Sheldon Pacotti consulting on the project, and while Harvey Smith and Warren Spector are not involved, word is it has their "blessing." According to the article, Eidos Montreal is aware of complaints about Deus Ex: Invisible War, promising to redress "mistakes" like ammo type limitations. On the other hand, changes are described that further depart from Deus Ex canon, and make the project sound more like Gears of War, including combat relying more on player aim than stats, a cover system for stealth (rather than skulking in shadows), and an auto-healing system for damage. Thanks Jonas.

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107. Re: ... Oct 6, 2008, 22:05 Krovven
 
Whatever you say Jerykk. This just takes us back to the part about it being a better game (or not) due to the changes. You are all happy to quote everything they say, right up to the part where she says...

We ended up with fewer choices overall, but each one of those choices was infinitely more functional, understandable, and fun than the previous ones.

"...more functional, understandable and fun than the previous ones."

That is the goal of game design after all...to make things functional, understandable and fun.

...or how the way the game played the way you claim would be better...

The first level, they said, was overly dense, confusing, and not particularly engaging. Players would acquire new powers but not know how to use them, so they stuck to using more traditional weapons and became frustrated. They didn't interact with the Big Daddies, and they didn't understand (or care) how to modify their characters. They were so overwhelmed by dialogue and backstory that they missed key information. A few of the players did start to see the possible depth of the game, but even they were frustrated by the difficulty of actually using the systems we had created.

That's bad game design and has nothing to do with "dumbing down". If a player can't understand what they are supposed to do or how to upgrade items, then they need to let the players know that somehow. In Bioshocks case they didnt have a "tutorial", so it had to be integrated into the gameplay of the first level.

Don't know what the systems were before, but all of the things mentioned above are still in the game. They had design issues to deal with. What we got was the vending machines as they are now, which I don't see that as a bad thing.

So...yes. When all you do is focus on the slightest semblance of statements that supports your position while ignoring the fact that she outright says the changes made the game better...yes, your interpretation is slanted.

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