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Edge
Online has some quotes from Harald Seeley taken from an upcoming interview
with the Engine Business Manager at Crytek about controversial remarks by Crytek
CEO Cevat Yerli about the dire impact of PC piracy on sales of Crysis
( story). Harald concedes that not everyone who pirated their
first-person shooter would have bought it, but he thinks there is an argument to
be made that those still playing the game and downloading patches (they
apparently still have more active users than unit sales) could be considered
lost customers: "I think we can safely say if they were still playing the game
by the time our latest patch released, and if they were playing on a pirated
copy, then they were a sale that didn’t happen but probably would have had it
not been possible to obtain the game illegally." He also makes observations
about DRM, saying: "For example, the consoles themselves are, in one sense,
simply very good DRM technologies that consumers welcome and pay for, in order
to receive the benefits that come with them…"
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The fact that you fail to see this speaks volumes against you and the rest of the anti-piracy zealots in this thread. Holy. Fucking. Shitballs.
I had no idea this would need to be spelled out so clearly before it would make sense.
I'm honestly under the impression that people arguing for DRM are simply trying to push this stuff so that they can make more money. They have no use for identifying what are the real problems with games or why people pirate. It's all just so people will accept drm. Say anything to sell them on DRM.
Holy friggin cow. It's all so clear now. Thank you Dagok. I clealy didn't understand my opponent in all of this.
My god...
*walks away laughing*
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I got some paper and wood |
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Aug 28, 05:46 |
Glad I didn't pay for it |
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Aug 28, 04:21 |
If I had known |
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Aug 28, 04:58 |
Consoles are very good DRM technologies? |
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Aug 28, 05:05 |
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Aug 28, 05:19 |
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Aug 28, 05:42 |
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Aug 28, 04:56 |
Could be considered ... |
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Aug 28, 08:25 |
LOL |
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Aug 28, 08:57 |
Why are people defending piracy |
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Aug 28, 09:09 |
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Aug 28, 10:15 |
What it comes down to. |
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Aug 28, 21:51 |
The Deathe of PC Gaming. |
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Aug 28, 09:02 |
No |
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Aug 28, 10:22 |
Software pirates |
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Aug 28, 10:24 |
The real solution to piracy... |
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Pirates... |
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Online Auth |
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Aug 28, 22:03 |
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Krovven |
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211. |
Aug 28, 22:21 |
Re: No subject |
Bhruic |
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213. |
Aug 28, 22:33 |
Re: No subject |
Jerykk |
| |
214. |
Aug 28, 22:34 |
Re: No subject |
Verno |
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215. |
Aug 28, 22:42 |
Re: No subject |
Jerykk |
| |
206. |
Aug 28, 21:48 |
Jevis! |
Kxmode |
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210. |
Aug 28, 22:07 |
No subject |
Verno |
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241. |
Aug 29, 21:24 |
BS. |
instant |
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242. |
Aug 29, 21:31 |
Re: BS. |
Verno |
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243. |
Aug 29, 22:06 |
Re: BS. |
Bhruic |
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245. |
Aug 29, 22:52 |
Re: BS. |
Verno |
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249. |
Aug 30, 07:22 |
Re: BS. |
Jerykk |
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250. |
Aug 30, 10:57 |
Re: BS. |
Ataneruo |
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252. |
Aug 30, 13:49 |
Re: BS. |
Wowbagger_TIP |
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253. |
Aug 30, 19:29 |
Re: BS. |
Ataneruo |
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254. |
Aug 30, 20:01 |
Re: BS. |
Jerykk |
| |
256. |
Aug 30, 21:17 |
Re: BS. |
Ataneruo |
| |
257. |
Aug 30, 23:41 |
Re: BS. |
Jerykk |
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260. |
Aug 31, 02:08 |
Re: BS. |
manic half |
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261. |
Aug 31, 04:31 |
Re: BS. |
Prez |
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262. |
Aug 31, 06:45 |
Re: BS. |
Ataneruo |
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264. |
Aug 31, 12:13 |
Re: BS. |
Prez |
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273. |
Sep 2, 15:13 |
Re: BS. |
xXBatmanXx |
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251. |
Aug 30, 13:45 |
No subject |
Verno |
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255. |
Aug 30, 20:09 |
Re: No subject |
Jerykk |
| |
258. |
Aug 31, 01:46 |
... |
theyarecomingforyou |
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259. |
Aug 31, 02:07 |
Re: ... |
manic half |
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265. |
Aug 31, 18:08 |
Re: ... |
Wowbagger_TIP |
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263. |
Aug 31, 10:08 |
... |
theyarecomingforyou |
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266. |
Aug 31, 23:47 |
... |
theyarecomingforyou |
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267. |
Sep 1, 03:31 |
Re: ... |
Wowbagger_TIP |
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268. |
Sep 1, 06:15 |
... |
theyarecomingforyou |
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269. |
Sep 1, 12:39 |
Re: ... |
Wowbagger_TIP |
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270. |
Sep 1, 15:52 |
... |
theyarecomingforyou |
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271. |
Sep 1, 21:12 |
Re: ... |
Wowbagger_TIP |
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272. |
Sep 2, 12:02 |
Pricey |
Tumbler |
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